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15:51:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:51:35 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:51:36 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:51:36 <trackbot> Date: 27 July 2016
15:51:48 <janina> agenda?
15:51:58 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
15:51:58 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:52:06 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:52:08 <janina> agenda+ Payments Subteam WBS https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83907/2016-07-payments/
15:52:11 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
15:52:13 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:52:16 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:52:18 <janina> agenda+ Decision Policy Discussion (Continued)
15:52:21 <janina> agenda+ CSS Task Force Progress [See Below]
15:52:23 <janina> agenda+ Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina [See Below]
15:52:26 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:52:28 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:52:31 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:52:43 <janina>  zakim, clear agenda
15:52:43 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:52:48 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:52:48 <janina> agenda+ Payments Subteam WBS https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83907/2016-07-payments/
15:52:48 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
15:52:48 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:52:50 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:52:53 <janina> agenda+ Decision Policy Discussion (Continued)
15:52:55 <janina> agenda+ CSS Task Force Progress [See Below]
15:52:58 <janina> agenda+ Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina [See Below]
15:53:00 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:53:03 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:53:05 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:54:04 <janina> 
15:54:22 <janina> present+ Janina
15:54:28 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:54:35 <janina> zakim, next item
15:54:35 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
15:59:03 <janina> regrets: Cynthia, Fred, Gottfried
16:01:16 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:01:49 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
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16:03:30 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC, Mary Jo Mueller
16:03:42 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jul/0038.html
16:04:54 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:04:54 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Janina
16:05:05 <janina> zakim, pick a victim
16:05:05 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Joanmarie_Diggs
16:05:45 <MichaelC> scribe: Ryladog
16:06:15 <Ryladog> zakim, next item
16:06:15 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Payments Subteam WBS https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/83907/2016-07-payments/" taken up [from janina]
16:06:51 <Ryladog> JS: CFC discussion
16:07:04 <Ryladog> JS: Do you have any suggested changes to agenda?
16:07:08 <Ryladog> JS: News?
16:07:31 <Ryladog> JS: Payments Subteam WBS
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16:09:30 <Ryladog_> JS; Katie can you look at the new times
16:09:44 <Ryladog_> zakim, next item
16:09:44 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
16:10:46 <Ryladog_> JS: Nothong new to add. Looking at who we want to meet with.Too many. I am prioritizing. First is CSS, then Security
16:11:15 <Ryladog_> JS: Then we ill talk about horizontal review but may be on Wed
16:11:45 <Ryladog_> JS: We are not the only group that do horizontal review - will talk with others about those commonalities
16:11:59 <Ryladog_> JS: Questions?
16:12:01 <Ryladog_> zakim, next item
16:12:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:12:28 <Ryladog_> MC: 2069 on Janina
16:12:40 <Ryladog_> JS: I did look at that, getting a URI for us
16:12:41 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Mar/0030.html
16:13:17 <Ryladog_> JS: That email is the last conversation. I think we need to look at the spec to see if we are happy with what they put in
16:13:55 <Ryladog_> JS: We suggested SVG, and am not sure if they did that. I think someone else wjo can see to review if the description is sufficient
16:14:06 <Ryladog_> MC: Is this from them?
16:14:24 <Ryladog_> JS: Yes. Chaals jumped in to respond
16:14:52 <Ryladog_> MC: We now want to get feedback from other on if the description is suffiicant
16:15:22 <Ryladog_> MC: I suppose I could take the action but it will take at least a week
16:15:35 <Ryladog_> JS: A week might be oK
16:15:50 <Ryladog_> MC: In principle a week would be OK I think
16:16:16 <Ryladog_> JS: Reassign 2069 to MC
16:17:05 <Ryladog_> MC: 2063 on Janina
16:17:26 <Ryladog_> JS: Internationalization - leave it open for now
16:17:28 <janina> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Jul/0040.html
16:17:53 <Ryladog_> JS: Here is a pointer, I did my action, this is the email. Is it adequate?
16:18:07 <Ryladog_> JS: Does that meet our desire?
16:18:28 <Ryladog_> MC: I would say yes. They may not like the wording exactly but they can wordsmith
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16:20:17 <Ryladog_> KHS: Can we look now?
16:20:20 <Ryladog_> JS: Yes
16:20:29 <Ryladog_> KHS: It look good to me
16:20:40 <Ryladog_> MC: Then should we take it to a CFC?
16:21:03 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:21:25 <Ryladog_> RESOLUTION: Take Janina's draft email for action 2067
16:21:51 <Ryladog_> RESOLUTION: Take Janina's draft email to CfC for action 2067
16:21:59 <Ryladog_> zakim, next item
16:21:59 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Decision Policy Discussion (Continued)" taken up [from janina]
16:22:22 <Ryladog_> zakim, close this item
16:22:22 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:22:23 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:22:23 <Zakim> 7. CSS Task Force Progress [from See Below via janina]
16:22:38 <Ryladog_> zakim, take up item 5
16:22:38 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:23:00 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/custom-elements/ Custom Elements
16:23:49 <Ryladog_> MC: Custom elements - we said in march that this is bog and scary. Shan suggested Steve F to check it. But I dont think we did anything about it
16:23:55 <Ryladog_> JS: It went to who?
16:24:01 <Ryladog_> MC: Web paltform
16:24:20 <Ryladog_> MC: Should we create an action to check with Leonie and Steve?
16:24:27 <MichaelC> action: Janina to check with Léonie and Steve on Custom Elements https://www.w3.org/TR/custom-elements/
16:24:28 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2075 - Check with léonie and steve on custom elements https://www.w3.org/tr/custom-elements/ [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-08-03].
16:25:24 <Ryladog_> MC: Next encrypted media extension action from 3 weeks ago for John to see if GH has been opened
16:25:30 <Ryladog_> JS: CR right?
16:25:34 <Ryladog_> MC: Yes
16:25:51 <Ryladog_> MC: No earlier than 2 August - any day
16:26:00 <Ryladog_> JS: OK reassign that to me
16:26:37 <Ryladog_> JS: We were expecting some language to be added to that spec - if its hter we may be done
16:26:55 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/ldn/ Linked Data Notifications
16:26:56 <Ryladog_> MC: Linked Data Notifications, a First PWD
16:27:19 <Ryladog_> MC: Shane would say we dont worry about this
16:27:23 <Ryladog_> JS: I agree
16:28:06 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:28:10 <Ryladog_> MC: Media Source Extensions: We just looked at that
16:28:18 <Ryladog_> JS: Who joined?
16:28:36 <Ryladog_> SHane: Im here
16:28:48 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/odrl-model/ ODRL Information Model
16:28:49 <Ryladog_> MC: ODRL Model
16:29:11 <Ryladog_> MC: Permissions and Obligations Exprressions
16:29:29 <Ryladog_> JS: A way of doing DRM
16:29:41 <Ryladog_> SM: Digital rights
16:29:53 <Ryladog_> MC: the acronym is not clear
16:30:29 <Ryladog_> JS: they should do it, but not worth being a group comment. This is old, not new, used by Dasiy
16:30:43 <Ryladog_> JS: Used by OEBF
16:31:10 <Ryladog_> MC: This document is a First Public WD published last week - it is Rec track
16:31:22 <Ryladog_> MC: It is a new dependency speficication
16:31:37 <Ryladog_> JS: We would like our digital book folks to look at
16:31:38 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-odrl/ ODRL Vocabulary & Expression
16:31:40 <ShaneM> Submitted an issue about the expansion of ODRL
16:31:50 <Ryladog_> MC: I assume our siggestion might be the asme for these two
16:32:13 <Ryladog_> MC: My guess is that we dont need to worrry about this - but I have a niggling thought
16:33:03 <Ryladog_> JS: I see it as proprietary - I think Daisy uses it - it might be used by Library of Congress is using this - which I am happy with
16:33:44 <Ryladog_> JS: It might be more applicable now in other media situation - now maybe applicable to movies etc
16:34:06 <Ryladog_> JS: Having trouble calling up 15 year old memories.
16:34:29 <Ryladog_> JS: Put this on me until the end of August, make it the 24th
16:34:54 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-odrl/ ODRL Vocabulary & Expression and http://www.w3.org/TR/odrl-model/ ODRL Information Model - due 24 Aug
16:34:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2076 - Review http://www.w3.org/tr/vocab-odrl/ odrl vocabulary & expression and http://www.w3.org/tr/odrl-model/ odrl information model [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-08-24].
16:35:39 <Ryladog_> MC: POE Use cases and Requirments
16:35:45 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/ POE Use Cases and Requirements
16:35:57 <Ryladog_> SC: Same working group
16:36:39 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review POE https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/ Use Cases and Requirements - due 24 Aug
16:36:39 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2077 - Review poe https://www.w3.org/tr/poe-ucr/ use cases and requirements [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-08-24].
16:36:46 <Ryladog_> MC: It went to too quicjly we were not given the opportuntiy to submit a Use case - or review a draft - on Janina
16:37:07 <Ryladog_> MC: XML Inclusion 1.1
16:37:14 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11/ XML Inclusions (XInclude) Version 1.1
16:37:55 <Ryladog_> MC: My view is we dont need to review
16:38:07 <Ryladog_> JS: I agree as does Shane
16:38:36 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/xproc20/ XProc 2.0: An XML Pipeline Language
16:38:37 <Ryladog_> MC: XPROC 2.0 and XML Pipeline Langaug
16:38:49 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/xproc20-steps/ XProc 2.0: Standard Step Library
16:39:21 <Ryladog_> MC: Pipeline language for operation to be performed on documents
16:39:40 <Ryladog_> MC: Step Library descrribeds the Standard Step Vocabulary
16:39:47 <Ryladog_> JS: No interest for us
16:40:10 <Ryladog_> MC: Could it interfere with transcribing tools?
16:40:27 <Ryladog_> zakim, take up item 6
16:40:27 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Decision Policy Discussion (Continued)" taken up [from janina]
16:41:29 <Ryladog_> JS: We talked about last week. Maybe there is more work for Jannina. Should we run comments to WGs through a formal CfC?
16:41:59 <Ryladog_> JS: To be clear it is a group position. It is potentially additional work
16:43:02 <Ryladog_> JS: There seems to be no length, maybe that time frames does matter. Recently we are having this discussion because we have not done that here
16:43:15 <Ryladog_> JS: We wanted to keep red tape lo
16:43:47 <Ryladog_> JS: We should at least do a trial. I expect we will use this one through next week
16:44:00 <Ryladog_> KHS: I think doing a trial is fine
16:44:31 <Ryladog_> JS: That is a decision.
16:44:43 <ShaneM> +1 to not needing a CfC to decide to use our CfC policy
16:44:56 <Ryladog_> MC: Your abandoning the WG not adding any more input?
16:45:31 <Ryladog_> MC: I thought that we would still say something. We do not need to add a CfC too a trail, but after it might make sense
16:45:56 <Ryladog_> MC: I never read it as we need to go through CfC for every WG comment
16:46:40 <Ryladog_> JS: Lets do it after we trial for a while. Someone suggested until the end of the year. I think that is reasonable
16:46:55 <Ryladog_> zakim, take up item 7
16:46:55 <Zakim> agendum 7. "CSS Task Force Progress" taken up [from See Below via janina]
16:47:52 <Ryladog_> JS: That is still in my drafting editor. I iwll have it finished when MC comes back
16:48:27 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/Style/2016/css-2016.html Draft CSS charter
16:49:44 <Ryladog_> MC: One small update, the charter has a new statement that....
16:50:50 <Ryladog_> JS: Well good, I will be able to support that. That is very helpful to hear
16:51:05 <Ryladog_> zakim, take up item 8
16:51:05 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Action-2011 -- Michiel, Janina" taken up [from See Below via janina]
16:51:22 <Ryladog_> zakim, take up item 9
16:51:22 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
16:51:39 <Ryladog_> rrsagent, make minutes
16:51:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/27-apa-minutes.html Ryladog_
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16:56:34 <Ryladog_> rrsagent, please part
16:56:34 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/27-apa-actions.rdf :
16:56:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina to check with Léonie and Steve on Custom Elements https://www.w3.org/TR/custom-elements/ [1]
16:56:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/27-apa-irc#T16-24-27
16:56:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina to review http://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-odrl/ ODRL Vocabulary & Expression and http://www.w3.org/TR/odrl-model/ ODRL Information Model - due 24 Aug [2]
16:56:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/27-apa-irc#T16-34-54
16:56:34 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Janina to review POE https://www.w3.org/TR/poe-ucr/ Use Cases and Requirements - due 24 Aug [3]
16:56:34 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/27-apa-irc#T16-36-39