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12:56:28 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:56:28 <trackbot> Date: 22 July 2016
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12:57:42 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722
12:57:46 <deirdrelee> Chair: deirdrelee
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13:02:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all!
13:03:05 <phila> regrets+ Annette, Newton, Antoine, EricS
13:03:07 <yaso> Hi! I'm in a place with lots of background noise so I muted myself
13:03:15 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+ RiccardoAlbertoni
13:03:17 <yaso> present+ yaso
13:03:55 <phila> Topic: Comments from I18N
13:04:27 <phila> deirdrelee: Will we need another vote after the changes?
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13:05:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> hi all
13:05:23 <phila> phila: It feels as if we should wait until the commnetsd have been addressed and then vote for CR again
13:05:37 <hadleybeeman> scribenick: hadleybeeman
13:05:40 <deirdrelee> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722
13:06:25 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Accept minutes from last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html
13:06:30 <hadleybeeman> topic: last week's minutes
13:06:36 <deirdrelee> +1
13:06:40 <yaso> +1
13:06:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
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13:06:46 <Caroline_> Hello! :)
13:06:56 <deirdrelee> APPROVED: Accept minutes from last week's meeting https://www.w3.org/2016/07/15-dwbp-minutes.html
13:07:14 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman has changed the topic to: agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160722
13:07:53 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Any BP editors on the call?
13:08:00 <Caroline_> yes! :)
13:08:01 <hadleybeeman> ...don't seem to; only on IRC
13:08:23 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Okay, so I presume no one has had a chance to look at the I18N comments?
13:08:32 <hadleybeeman> ...They have come in in the last hour.
13:08:38 <hadleybeeman> ...Good that they've arrived when expected.
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13:08:58 <hadleybeeman> ...Next step: from the editors, tell us when we can look at them, review them and address them.
13:09:07 <hadleybeeman> ...Ideally ASAP, but need to be realistic.
13:09:09 <hadleybeeman> ...We
13:09:12 <laufer> present+ laufer
13:09:22 <Caroline_> present+ Caroline_
13:09:24 <hadleybeeman> ...We'd planned to have the transition call on Monday coming, but don't think we'll be able to.
13:09:37 <Makx> I just had a look at I18N comments
13:09:47 <Makx> Most editorial
13:09:51 <hadleybeeman> ...Instead, I think we'll need this week to look at them, address the comments, vote again on the version of the BP doc that includes the update, and then have the director's call.
13:09:57 <Caroline_> q+
13:10:07 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Thanks, deirdrelee.
13:10:12 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:10:17 <hadleybeeman> ...Newton and Bernadette send their regrets for today's call.
13:10:18 <phila> regrets+ Bernadette
13:10:32 <hadleybeeman> ...Would the chairs and Phil help us with this review? To have another point of view?
13:11:01 <hadleybeeman> ...How long do we have to do it?  I know as soon as possible, and we will try to do it by next week, but with the summer vacation in Europe... Will we be able to have the directors' call the following week?
13:11:05 <Makx> Not sure I agree with criticism that Library of Congress URI have 'limitations or problems'
13:11:08 <hadleybeeman> ...We can't do the 1st week of August.
13:11:21 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: we'll create a doodle poll and find a time that suits everyone, for the director's call
13:11:52 <hadleybeeman> ...Re the comments, most are editorial/very minor.  Maybe instead of having lots of people look, if the editors could look first and pull out the more difficult/complex issues -- we can discuss them  by email?
13:11:57 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Awesome. Thank you.
13:12:02 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1 to deirdrelee's proposal
13:12:18 <yaso> +1 to Deirdre also
13:12:19 <hadleybeeman> phila: Yes, I think the comments are mostly editorial.  But when you look in detail, you may find some more complex.
13:12:19 <Caroline_> s/1st/3rd
13:12:24 <hadleybeeman> ...I'm not able to help for the next three weeks.
13:12:32 <hadleybeeman> ...I think it will take at least a week to go through the comments.
13:12:43 <hadleybeeman> ...By this time next week, you may have issues you want to raise.
13:12:55 <hadleybeeman> ...At the moment, we're trying to get TimBL.  His availability is limited.
13:13:26 <hadleybeeman> ...By the time the group has worked through those comments, it will probably be a week.  Best case scenario, you vote on two weeks from today.
13:13:33 <hadleybeeman> ...No minimum number for that vote.
13:13:43 <hadleybeeman> ...But not looking at candidate rec until three weeks' time.
13:13:54 <hadleybeeman> ...So even if we have to wait for the directors' call, that's probably okay.
13:14:07 <hadleybeeman> ...You don't need me for the director's call.  deirdrelee, if you can set one up that would be great.
13:14:12 <hadleybeeman> ...It's about the chairs and the editors.
13:14:29 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: I think it's important before we have that call that we do address those issues and have another vote.
13:14:38 <hadleybeeman> ...Re extension for the wg, do we have to do anything else?
13:14:47 <hadleybeeman> phila: No; I expect to put that request in after the transition call.
13:14:54 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: even though that's outside of our charter?
13:15:00 <hadleybeeman> phila: I think that will be okay.
13:15:23 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Any other comments?
13:15:30 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Sounds good to me
13:15:37 <Caroline_> :)
13:15:51 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Re rest of our time... Start looking into I18N comments?  Or talk about implementations?
13:15:58 <Caroline_> q+
13:15:58 <hadleybeeman> ...Though might be difficult without Bernadette and Newton
13:16:09 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:16:21 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: We could start with the I18N comments, but if you don't mind, discussing implementations first would be easier.
13:16:28 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Okay
13:16:45 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Re implementations, we just wanted feedback on progress. Any issues or problems?
13:16:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> \me bye Makx
13:17:09 <Caroline_>  https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationreport
13:17:17 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: I have to apologise; until yesterday I couldn't send an email about it. So I did my action, I wrote an email with the links for the implementation report
13:17:21 <Caroline_>  https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Dwbp-LC-implementationreport.PT
13:17:26 <hadleybeeman> ...Like deirdrelee did for the call for review.
13:17:35 <Caroline_>  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0
13:17:36 <hadleybeeman> ...I did it in English and in Portuguese.
13:17:39 <hadleybeeman> ...Comments welcome
13:17:52 <hadleybeeman> ...Instead of building a table in the wiki, I kept the google docs we did in Zagreb.
13:18:00 <hadleybeeman> ...I sent the email to nic.br here.
13:18:10 <hadleybeeman> ...We will get evidence from them.
13:18:22 <hadleybeeman> ...Today, I will send it to a lot of the people in the google docs spreadsheet.
13:18:27 <hadleybeeman> ...You're welcome to join me in doing that.
13:18:50 <hadleybeeman> ...I put the deadline in for a week from now.  Not sure if its too sure?  Here where it isn't summer, it's fine.  We don't really stop in July.
13:19:10 <hadleybeeman> ...So I think we might have good implementations.  I'm sure laufer will help with focus datasets.
13:19:26 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: The list of institutions... is that based on feedback already? Or just organisations that have expressed interest.
13:19:42 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Only organisations that have expressed interest.  But I haven't updated it.
13:19:54 <hadleybeeman> ...If you could help me with the contacts you have, that would be appreciated.
13:19:56 <phila> q+
13:19:57 <deirdrelee> q?
13:20:01 <deirdrelee> ack phila
13:20:27 <hadleybeeman> phila: Fantastic, thank you Caroline_.  Just wanted to share: we said that guidance does;t count as implementations, which is probably right -- but I wanted to share what's happening at SharePSI.
13:20:27 <phila> -> www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/lg/ Share-PSI Localised Guides
13:20:44 <hadleybeeman> ...that page needs work on presentation, but the info on it is still useful.
13:21:08 <hadleybeeman> ...there is a long list there of localised guides.  Produced by the relevant government ministry, saying 'this is how we do open data in this administration'.
13:21:40 <hadleybeeman> ...In each case, there is a list of the best practices, with a link to where it is in those guides, that says "you should do this".  Sometimes it's a specific reference to our BP; sometimes it's just the same idea.
13:21:47 <hadleybeeman> ...At the bottom is a table
13:21:53 <Caroline_> looks great, Phil!
13:21:58 <hadleybeeman> ...Showing all this.
13:22:08 <hadleybeeman> ...The one with the fewest implementations has 6.  Highest has 23.
13:22:17 <hadleybeeman> ...That's a definite endorsement of our work.
13:22:35 <hadleybeeman> ...This isn't what we're looking for; I don't want to change what the BP editors have been working on.
13:22:35 <phila> -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1v54h3Hc3bc3WEOnVX5fR_Sk-zrAk62KYrsa-ULndQUc/edit#gid=0 Share-PSI DWBP cross ref
13:22:50 <hadleybeeman> ...But I've also asked this people to fill in a google spreadsheet which tries to do something similar with our stuff.
13:23:17 <hadleybeeman> ...You'll see where our BP is cited directly, or the info in their guideline is consistent with what we're saying.
13:23:26 <Caroline_> very nice!!!
13:23:32 <hadleybeeman> ...I know it doesn't count as an implementation, but I think this is useful evidence to back up what we're saying.
13:23:37 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: That's really good.
13:24:13 <hadleybeeman> phila: that page has had me writing a 1400-line JSON file by hand
13:24:21 <yaso> Yes it is :-)
13:24:28 <hadleybeeman> phila: That page has had me writing a 1400-line JSON file by hand
13:24:47 <hadleybeeman> ...There is just no consistency. You end up doing it all by hand.
13:25:40 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: We could use this research to add to the list of people we are going to contact, to ask for implementations.
13:25:51 <hadleybeeman> ...To write to? I'd bet they have some good ones.
13:25:53 <Caroline_> +1 to deirdrelee suggestion
13:25:56 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Good thought
13:26:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> A question: when  is the latest deadline for submitting  implementations?
13:26:18 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/implementations.json My JSOn file
13:26:22 <Caroline_> q+
13:26:26 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: any other feedback? Caroline_, what do you want us to do?
13:26:37 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:26:44 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Re deadline: the email template says Friday 29 July.
13:27:06 <deirdrelee> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit#gid=0
13:27:08 <hadleybeeman> ...to have as many evidence forms as possible completed and returned to us.
13:27:24 <Caroline_> Evidence Form http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/
13:27:29 <deirdrelee> q+
13:27:30 <hadleybeeman> ...So we send emails ASAP, and have as many forms completed as we can by 29 July.
13:27:59 <hadleybeeman> ...I'm not sure if you can send this email until Monday, but I can do it at least.  I can then follow up after. It's my priority.
13:28:26 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Given the reshuffling of things that are going on, transitioning the BP document etc., I think maybe aiming for the 29th of July is soon.
13:28:44 <hadleybeeman> ...And I'm not sure we need to do that. the group is continuing on, and it's holiday time, and this week our priority is the I18N comments.
13:28:56 <RiccardoAlbertoni> I completely agree with deirdrelee ;)
13:28:59 <hadleybeeman> ...We should definitely start this week -- but we do want to give people enough time to respond.
13:29:03 <Caroline_> ok
13:29:08 <hadleybeeman> ...I think we could put the deadline at the end of August.
13:29:25 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:29:30 <Caroline_> what date do you suggest? I think it is important to send a deadline in the email
13:29:37 <hadleybeeman> phila: There is no rush. the thing that makes this group unusual is the strong presence of southern hemisphere participation.
13:29:48 <hadleybeeman> ...Europe and America are in shutdown between now and end of august.
13:30:02 <hadleybeeman> ...So I agree, we need to concentrate on the I18N comments.
13:30:13 <hadleybeeman> ...So for implementations, it probably will be the end of August.  And that's okay.
13:30:30 <Caroline_> okay! Thank you!!
13:30:39 <hadleybeeman> ...So there's no rush to get those implementation reports. Once we're in CR, we'll have at least 4 weeks to complete this.
13:30:46 <hadleybeeman> ...The pressure is to get to where we are.  We've done that.
13:31:06 <hadleybeeman> ...If we were still rewriting, and needed a new working draft next week, we'd be in trouble. but we're not.
13:31:08 <Caroline_> q+
13:31:25 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Okay. based on that, let's focus the I18N comments this week and scheduling the director's call.
13:31:43 <hadleybeeman> ...We can keep going with implementations and Caroline_, you can remind us all to keep at it.  but we can do that over the next month or two.
13:31:46 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:31:53 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: thank you very much. should we put a deadline on the email?
13:31:56 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Yes please
13:32:13 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Which deadline then? I put 29 July, so we are changing it to...?
13:33:04 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: If we need to be in CR for a minimum of four weeks... and if we start that in three weeks (the week beginning the 15th)
13:33:36 <hadleybeeman> phila: so if those CR docs go out on thursday 18 August, then the earliest that CR would end is Friday 16 September.
13:33:54 <hadleybeeman> ...so if Caroline_ is asking for a deadline, I would say the end of August is difficult for Europe.
13:33:55 <deirdrelee> q+
13:34:11 <hadleybeeman> ...I think you need to go into September.  So Thursday 15 sept is realistic.
13:34:19 <Caroline_> q+
13:34:22 <hadleybeeman> ...so on our call on Friday the 16th, we could see if we had enough info.
13:34:49 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: I think we're talking about two different deadlines.  1) When do we the working group send out emails to invite implementation feedback? 2) when do we need feedback back?
13:35:09 <hadleybeeman> ...On the 1), I think 5 August would be good. And then for 2), 15 september.
13:35:10 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:35:13 <hadleybeeman> phila: Thank you.
13:35:21 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: thank you
13:35:24 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:35:59 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: One more thing:  I'm just dreaming here, but maybe what would happen if we got two implementations for each BP from Brazil?
13:36:05 <hadleybeeman> phila: that's okay
13:36:42 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: I would imagine the director would ask about it, but officially it's within the rules.
13:37:08 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Having two implementations is a minimum.  We want to prove that these are adopted widely.
13:37:15 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#candidate-rec Confirms 4 week minimum for CR
13:37:18 <hadleybeeman> ...So having more examples of some is great. We can record all of that.
13:37:32 <hadleybeeman> topic: I18N comments
13:37:52 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Caroline_, it might be useful to thank them and tell them we're working on it today.
13:37:57 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: sure; I'll do that.
13:38:24 <hadleybeeman> action: caroline to write to I18N chairs to confirm we got their comments and will respond next week.
13:38:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-290 - Write to i18n chairs to confirm we got their comments and will respond next week. [on Caroline Burle - due 2016-07-29].
13:39:48 <hadleybeeman> phila: I think we can close Newton's action 288
13:39:54 <deirdrelee> action-268
13:39:54 <trackbot> action-268 -- Antoine Isaac to Add intro to daq in the dqv -- due 2016-03-22 -- OPEN
13:39:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/268
13:39:58 <hadleybeeman> ...and the other one to look at: action 268
13:40:03 <hadleybeeman> ...RiccardoAlbertoni, any comments?
13:40:14 <hadleybeeman> RiccardoAlbertoni: I'm not sure if Antoine has taken it. I should check.
13:40:16 <hadleybeeman> phila: Okay
13:40:33 <hadleybeeman> ...Other action (287) is on me to set up the director's call, which I can't do yet;
13:41:01 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: Let's go back to I18N issues
13:41:15 <hadleybeeman> ...Any that jump out at us? Anyone had a chance to consider one in any detail?
13:41:22 <hadleybeeman> ...Caroline_, any big concerns here?
13:41:34 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: I haven't seen the emails yet. sorry.
13:41:47 <hadleybeeman> ...I thought I could have some input from all of you today
13:41:56 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: There really wasn't time before the call, was there.
13:42:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q+
13:42:08 <hadleybeeman> ...Okay. If there is no other business, let's end the call early?
13:42:23 <hadleybeeman> RiccardoAlbertoni: I checked with Antoine; he finished action 268, so we can close it.
13:42:27 <hadleybeeman> close action-268
13:42:27 <trackbot> Closed action-268.
13:42:43 <hadleybeeman> RiccardoAlbertoni: There is an email from Jeremy saying it is fine for him, how we solved this.
13:42:54 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: and we close action 288 as well?
13:42:57 <deirdrelee> action-288
13:42:57 <trackbot> action-288 -- Newton Calegari to Launch the implementation form on july 4th -- due 2016-07-08 -- OPEN
13:42:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/288
13:43:07 <hadleybeeman> close action-288
13:43:08 <trackbot> Closed action-288.
13:43:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> great!
13:43:30 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: thanks, all! Let's close the meeting;
13:43:51 <RiccardoAlbertoni> thanks all!
13:43:53 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: I'll continue sorting the director's call.  Aiming for two weeks from now.
13:43:56 <Caroline_> thank you so much!!!
13:44:12 <hadleybeeman> phila: I should know when philippe le hagret is back -- when that happens, he'll do it rather than TimBL.
13:44:31 <hadleybeeman> ...I'll find out in a minute.  My guess is it will be then.  It's all done in tim's name, but he's very busy.
13:44:49 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:44:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/22-dwbp-minutes.html phila
13:45:10 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: call next week?
13:45:15 <hadleybeeman> hadleybeeman: Yes, I think so
13:45:20 <hadleybeeman> deirdrelee: We can have one just to check in
13:45:23 <hadleybeeman> Caroline_: Thanks!
13:45:38 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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