IRC log of silver on 2016-07-21

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agenda+ coordinating communication
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13:21:25 [jeanne]
group reviews how we communicate and how we will document publicly the activities of the group.
13:21:42 [jeanne]
... brainstorming and creative work will be done in google docs
13:21:57 [jeanne]
... agenda and minutes will be published to the WCAG WG
13:24:27 [jeanne]
... this is the last call in Skype. Next week we will be meeting on WebEx.
13:32:30 [jeanne]
agenda+ Timelines
13:33:02 [jeanne]
Jeanne: I haven't spoken with Andrew yet
13:33:54 [jeanne]
... what I expect is that we should send the proposals to the WCAG WG before TPAC to allow discussion on the mailing list
13:35:34 [jeanne]
... Joshue previously said that Silver would be on the agenda at TPAC, so we should plan on presenting and discussing there.
13:35:55 [jeanne]
agenda+ Project goals
13:36:01 [jeanne]
zakim, take up item 2
13:36:01 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Timelines" taken up [from jeanne]
13:36:14 [jeanne]
[prior discussion above]
13:36:19 [jeanne]
zakim, take up item 3
13:36:19 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Project goals" taken up [from jeanne]
13:37:09 [jeanne]
Shawn: Reviews email from AWK
13:37:42 [jeanne]
Silver sub group should consider possible update models for sIlver (3.0, 3.1, etc)
13:37:42 [jeanne]
Silver sub group should collect and consider possible models for combining WCAG/UAAG/ATAG under one banner
13:37:42 [jeanne]
Silver sub group should develop plan to gather feedback on needs for Silver from users/authors/user agent vendors/industry
13:38:18 [jeanne]
Shawn: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse
13:38:52 [jeanne]
... the content of Silver itself should include feedback from the feedback channels
13:39:21 [jeanne]
... Silver should look at the structure and process of other applicable standards
13:40:05 [jeanne]
... in my experience, the W3C process may be public, but it is such a wall of information, it is prohibitively expensive to learn what is really going on.
13:40:39 [jeanne]
... for example, app creaters need to know the information, but they typically have no idea what is going on.
13:40:50 [jeanne]
... we need a predictable and sensible update model
13:41:43 [jeanne]
... which is why I want to include standards that have been around for a while and have predictable models. This is where I want to include input from legal and policy professionals.
13:42:38 [jeanne]
... but has to be understandable by the people who use it.
13:43:35 [jeanne]
Jeanne: This is an important point for me -- I realize that we have to serve the legal and policy audience, but they should not be primary audience that we serve.
13:44:35 [jeanne]
Sarah: We should consult with experts who have experience with developing other accessibility standards, especially people with UX experience designing standards.
13:45:11 [jeanne]
... thinking about the nature of standards and what makes them useful.
13:45:29 [jeanne]
Shawn: We should make a list of people that we want to interview and include
13:45:50 [jeanne]
... include standards that do not necessarily include digital or electronic media
13:46:29 [jeanne]
... for example, the NYC standard for retrofitting older buildings to meet accessibility standards
13:47:03 [jeanne]
... look at standards that are easily communicatable across all our audiences.
13:50:25 [jeanne]
Shawn: We could have a continuous feedback group, and reach out to people who could be in the group.
13:52:33 [jeanne]
action: Sarah will ask another person to join the group
13:54:40 [jeanne]
action: Sarah will ask a UK UX person to be interviewed.
13:56:49 [jeanne]
Shawn: I want to see us developing a pool of people that we want to get feedback and comments from.
13:57:38 [jeanne]
s/Shawn: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse/Shawn: Goal: Feedback channels should be timely, continuous, checked afterwards, and be diverse
13:58:31 [jeanne]
Goal: Informed decision-making drives the Silver process and content
13:58:46 [jeanne]
... include feedback from other channgels
13:59:32 [jeanne]
... look at other standards - comparative analysis technique and do an analysis and use them for moving forward.
14:00:38 [jeanne]
... we want to talk to people: focus groups, 1-1 interviews, surveys to collect insights, observe people using the tools (because there is a gap between what people say they want and how they actually do it).
14:01:37 [jeanne]
Goal: Perspectives of people who use WCAG are considered
14:05:34 [jeanne]
... user centered design, participatory design, design thinking. We want to include all of them, but want to focus on design thinking.
14:06:53 [jeanne]
Goal: Think about WCAG over the long term
14:07:25 [jeanne]
... establishing a viable update channel is part of that .
14:07:46 [jeanne]
Goal: User community and stakeholders are committed to success
14:08:03 [jeanne]
... keeping the community informed as to the process
14:09:48 [jeanne]
Sarah: I thinking we should do a project charter -- not a WCAG charter, we may need to call it something else. It includes goals, stakeholders, audience, and measurements of success.
14:10:09 [jeanne]
action: Sarah to draft a Project Charter
14:11:49 [jeanne]
agenda+ Brainstorming documet review
14:11:54 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
14:11:54 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "coordinating communication" taken up [from jeanne]
14:12:03 [jeanne]
zakim, take up next
14:12:03 [Zakim]
agendum 1 was just opened, jeanne
14:12:20 [jeanne]
Topic: Brainstorming review
14:23:47 [jeanne]
action: Jeanne, with Shawn and Sarah to create a questions list and each add questions to the list.
14:29:30 [jeanne]
Jeanne will draft some charter language to talk about next week.
14:29:46 [jeanne]
action: Jeanne will draft some charter language to talk about next week.
14:30:16 [jeanne]
review of some of the questions on a brainstorming list.
14:31:26 [jeanne]
regrets for next week from Sarah for Tuesday.
14:31:33 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make logs public
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present+ Jeanne, Sarah, Shawn
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meeting: Silver subgroup
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chair: working meeting, not chaired
14:32:51 [jeanne]
chair: working_meeting_no_chair
14:33:07 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-silver-minutes.html jeanne
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s/chair: working_meeting_no_chair//
14:35:41 [jeanne]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/21-silver-minutes.html jeanne