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16:58:22 <mck> zakim, clear agenda
16:58:22 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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17:00:30 <jamesn> zakim, clear agenda
17:00:30 <Zakim> agenda cleared
17:00:45 <jamesn> Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status
17:00:45 <jamesn> Agenda+ Update on APG editorial guidelines https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/APG-Editorial-Style-Guidelines
17:00:45 <jamesn> Agenda+ Update on contribution instructions (Jon) https://gist.github.com/jongund/2f4510cbddd4d7ace40154656a6867d4
17:00:45 <jamesn> Agenda+ Update on code review guide (Ian) https://ianpouncey.github.io/code-guide/
17:00:47 <jamesn> Agenda+ Accordian example(Bryan) http://snoringfoot.dyndns.org/Webserver/ARIA%20Accordions/demo.htm
17:00:49 <jamesn> Agenda+ Issue 29 - Grid pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/29
17:00:51 <jamesn> Agenda+ review open issues https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues
17:00:54 <jamesn> rrsagent, make log world
17:01:01 <jamesn> Meeting: ARIA APG TF
17:03:03 <jamesn> present+ JamesNurthen
17:03:15 <mck> present+ matt_king
17:03:17 <annabbott> present+ AnnAbbott
17:04:08 <jongund> present+ jongund
17:05:38 <jamesn> regrets+ Birkir
17:05:55 <MichielBijl> present+ Michiel_Bijl
17:08:15 <annabbott> scribe: AnnAbbott
17:08:46 <jamesn> present+ Bryan
17:08:47 <annabbott> zakim, next iterm
17:08:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next iterm', annabbott
17:08:56 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:08:56 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
17:10:01 <annabbott> Jon: working on different models for documenting treeview, but not ready for review today
17:10:28 <annabbott> Jon: will be in readme file
17:11:09 <annabbott> Michiel: will be ready for Aug 8 meeting
17:11:59 <annabbott> Michiel: code sample and text for breadcrumb
17:12:56 <MichielBijl> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/17
17:13:52 <annabbott> James: added breadcrumbs to table
17:15:04 <annabbott> Matt: question about documenting grid design examples...must clone repository?
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17:15:28 <IanPouncey> present+ IanPouncey
17:15:28 <annabbott> Jon: should be able to reference via URL
17:16:40 <annabbott> Matt: trying to make access easy for widest possible audience
17:17:33 <annabbott> Jon: let's just do as have been doing
17:18:19 <annabbott> Matt: agrees
17:19:18 <annabbott> Matt: need consistent experince and most usable
17:22:25 <annabbott> Jon: on vacation - back August 29
17:22:54 <annabbott> Jon: will check with Jemma on treeview
17:23:27 <annabbott> Matt: encourage Jemma to update issue(s) and let Matt know which are ready on Aug 8
17:23:59 <annabbott> Jon: has others working on menu example
17:24:14 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:24:14 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Update on APG editorial guidelines https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/APG-Editorial-Style-Guidelines" taken up [from jamesn]
17:24:58 <annabbott> Matt: James was going to add info on adding URLs
17:25:04 <annabbott> James: did add
17:25:11 <jamesn> Link to the role definition in the ARIA spec the first time the role is used within the section
17:25:11 <jamesn> set class to role-reference
17:25:11 <jamesn> set href to #[role name] eg. href="#note"
17:25:11 <jamesn> Link to state and property definitions the first time they are used in a section
17:25:12 <jamesn> set class to property-reference
17:25:12 <jamesn> set href to #[property name] eg. href="#aria-owns"
17:26:22 <annabbott> Matt: done for now
17:26:42 <annabbott> Matt: ready to be referenced by other instructions
17:26:48 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:26:48 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on contribution instructions (Jon) https://gist.github.com/jongund/2f4510cbddd4d7ace40154656a6867d4" taken up [from jamesn]
17:27:31 <annabbott> Matt: saw that Jon made update to this page
17:28:17 <annabbott> Matt: on step 3 - should we be more explicit on where to look?
17:28:51 <annabbott> Jon: agrees
17:29:48 <annabbott> Matt: naming conventions for Step 4 and give each example a unique flavor?
17:30:38 <annabbott> Jon: ease of naming by using example-1, etc
17:31:29 <annabbott> Matt: ok
17:32:58 <annabbott> Matt: for Step 5 - just provide path to template file?
17:33:42 <annabbott> Jon: ok
17:33:56 <annabbott> Matt: just copy template directory for Step 4?
17:34:00 <annabbott> Jon: ok
17:34:46 <annabbott> Jon: each example should be in own directory? Or sibling?
17:35:02 <annabbott> Matt: instructions are for one example
17:35:53 <annabbott> James: keep it simple - if sharing, make siblings. if not sharing, make directory.
17:36:51 <annabbott> Jon: alright
17:38:17 <annabbott> Matt: do instructions exist for beginning with github?
17:38:31 <annabbott> James: don't think we should be writing github instructions
17:39:43 <annabbott> Matt: will put into wiki. Ian's updates not yet available.
17:40:42 <annabbott> James: running out of time
17:40:46 <annabbott> Matt: agrees
17:41:27 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:41:27 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Update on code review guide (Ian) https://ianpouncey.github.io/code-guide/" taken up [from jamesn]
17:41:52 <annabbott> Matt: Ian not available
17:42:13 <annabbott> Matt: postpone topic
17:42:17 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:42:17 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, annabbott
17:43:01 <annabbott> Jon: just create dummy directory for every example we need
17:43:05 <annabbott> Matt: agrees
17:43:43 <annabbott> zakim, next item
17:43:43 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue 29 - Grid pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/29" taken up [from jamesn]
17:43:54 <jamesn> agenda?
17:44:13 <jamesn> zakim, take up item 5
17:44:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Accordian example(Bryan) http://snoringfoot.dyndns.org/Webserver/ARIA%20Accordions/demo.htm" taken up [from jamesn]
17:44:44 <mck> http://whatsock.com/test/w3c/ARIA%20Accordions/demo.htm
17:46:10 <annabbott> Jon: what is accordion?
17:46:22 <annabbott> Matt: headings with buttons that expand/collapse
17:46:56 <annabbott> Matt: different than tree - there is no accordion role
17:47:17 <annabbott> Matt: behavior and look/feel
17:47:42 <annabbott> Matt: ARIA communicates functionality
17:48:19 <annabbott> Matt: was based on tabs, but not juxtapose in DOM
17:48:37 <annabbott> James: kbd pattern for tabs is virtually unusable
17:49:13 <annabbott> James: perhaps goup as set of controls
17:49:49 <annabbott> s/goup/group
17:51:50 <annabbott> James: accordion could span width of page
17:52:27 <annabbott> James: not confined to left nav
17:54:06 <annabbott> Matt: why does one always have to be expanded?
17:55:32 <annabbott> Brian: only one open at a time OR may have more than one expanded
17:56:38 <annabbott> Matt: kbd problem getting to next - call out one more desirable?
17:57:39 <annabbott> James: no, either must be allowed
17:59:42 <annabbott> Jon: use display::none
18:01:19 <annabbott> Brian: every toggle has unique name
18:03:14 <annabbott> Matt: heading doesn't match region name
18:04:21 <annabbott> Matt: if first content inside is a heading,, it is confusing
18:10:24 <annabbott> Matt: thanks to Brian for completing this.
18:10:41 <annabbott> Brian: will sent to Matt to add to git
18:11:14 <annabbott> Brian: should have scripting and minor changes finished later today
18:12:25 <annabbott> zakim, next item
18:12:25 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Issue 29 - Grid pattern https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/29" taken up [from jamesn]
18:13:24 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#grid
18:15:58 <annabbott> Matt: Section 3.1.3 - overall structure is a bit different & 2 kbd interaction sections and 1 states/properties (section 7) and placeholder Section 3.2.8 for table
18:16:38 <annabbott> Jon: looking for writer for table?
18:16:58 <annabbott> Matt: more interested in writer for section 7
18:17:36 <annabbott> Jon: interested but cannot start until return to work
18:17:46 <annabbott> Matt: will create issue for it
18:18:57 <mck> http://w3c.github.io/aria-practices/#gridAndTableProperties
18:19:26 <annabbott> James: open issue for table properties
18:20:05 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/65
18:20:15 <annabbott> Matt: whoever starts to work on it should 'claim' issue
18:21:28 <annabbott> Jon: should all examples use same CSS content technique?
18:22:47 <annabbott> Matt & James: all examples should not use background images (not available in HiContrast)
18:25:18 <annabbott> James: creating issue for Ian for Example Coding Style Guide
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18:30:44 <jongund> had to go to another call
18:31:10 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/66
18:32:26 <annabbott> James: creating issue for accordion example
18:32:39 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/67
18:34:01 <annabbott> rrsagent, make minutes
18:34:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/18-aria-apg-minutes.html annabbott