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12:21:47 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
12:21:47 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2016
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12:29:26 <shawn> present:
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12:31:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
12:31:58 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2016
12:32:00 <Sharron> Chair: Brent
12:32:08 <Sharron> Scribe: Sharron
12:32:25 <yatil> present+ EricE
12:32:27 <laura> present+ Laura
12:32:28 <Caleb> present+ Cale
12:32:31 <Caleb> Caleb
12:32:43 <yatil> s/Caleb/
12:32:56 <yatil> s/+ Cale/+ Caleb
12:33:06 <Sharron> Regrets: Andrew, AnnaBelle, Kazuhito, Susan, Joy, Sylvie, James, Laura, Adina, Shadi
12:33:18 <Sharron> present+ Sharron
12:34:24 <laura> I'm on the regrets list but I am here
12:34:37 <Sharron> Topic: Update from Resource Manager
12:34:38 <yatil> regrets- Laura
12:35:41 <shawn> s/ I'm on the regrets list but I am here/ I'm on the regrets list but I am here
12:36:17 <Sharron> Brent: We have looked at the list of resources, and making sure that the high priority items are being addressed. The updates are not formalized, take as much or as little time as needed to let EO know where we are and what is the current status and approach.
12:36:30 <Sharron> ...today we have five items.
12:37:10 <shawn> Sharron: 2 main docs (1 on W3C  site, 1 on WAI site) and related doc on inclusion.
12:37:44 <shawn> ... short-term and long-term approach - until WAi site redesign is done.
12:38:44 <shawn> ... for now have two similar docs, then after redesign maybe have the WAI page the main one and on W3C site just a brief pointer to WAI one
12:39:50 <Sharron> Shawn: There is a very tailored approach on the W3C site and until we get the redesign complete, we thought we would maintain essentially duplicate content.
12:40:08 <yatil> q+
12:40:13 <Sharron> Brent: Is there any objection to that idea?
12:40:32 <shawn> ack y
12:40:36 <dboudreau> it would make the most sense to me to pull people into the WAI site when the redesign is ready
12:41:00 <laura> +1
12:41:06 <yatil> +1
12:41:07 <Brent> +1
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12:41:18 <Sharron> Eric: You are working on one resource that you are posting two places and then later just one on the WAI site with lead-in on W3C?
12:41:24 <Sharron> Sharron: Yes
12:41:36 <Sharron> regrets- James
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12:42:04 <Sharron> Brent: Next is Eric and UI Components list
12:42:13 <James> Present+ James
12:43:08 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
12:43:08 <Zakim> Present: shawn, brent, Howard, dboudreau, maryjom, EricE, Laura, Cale, Sharron, James
12:43:38 <Sharron> Eric: Because of the holiday, we did not get much response so are leaving the survey open. Please do comment in that survey and show your support for this approach. Any questions are welcome. Would like to get them solved so that we can release the resource.
12:45:10 <Sharron> Brent: Tutorials update from Eric
12:47:00 <Sharron> Eric: I have sent email to the people who volunteered to participate in tutorials work. Getting the work started by reveiwing pull requests, will complete that review pretty quickly. We have list of what we hope to achieve, long and short term goals. If you ahve comments or questions, don't hesitate. Denis, Susan, Howard,Shadi, Adina have volunteered to help and I expect this to be quite straightforward.
12:47:00 <Sharron> Jump in if you want to help review.
12:47:23 <Sharron> ...will bring our review comments to groups for approval on how to proceed.
12:47:34 <Sharron> Brent: Thanks Eric - any comments or questions?
12:48:01 <Sharron> Denis: I think the email Eric snet is clear, good direction about wht we need to do, no questions.
12:48:15 <Sharron> s/snet/sent
12:48:25 <Sharron> s/wht/what
12:48:50 <Sharron> Brent: Good job modeling that eric, we can use as a guide for RMs
12:49:06 <Sharron> Denis: Is there a Roadmap for new tutorials?
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12:49:24 <Sharron> Eric: Not as such, do have a wiki page that has suggestions
12:50:26 <Sharron> Denis: When we think about Quick Tips, it would be great to link to or to grwo into a tutorial, they could aligne and feed each other for consistency.
12:50:43 <yatil> https://github.com/w3c/wai-tutorials/wiki/Possible-Future-Topics -> Wiki page with possible future topics
12:50:51 <Sharron> Eric: Yes that is a good idea. Start on QTs and if you want to learn more, link to a tutorial
12:51:16 <Sharron> s/grwo/grow
12:51:36 <Sharron> s/aligne/align
12:52:28 <Sharron> Brent: Next update comes about the Policies document. Mary Jo is leading, Wayne is supporting.
12:53:42 <Sharron> MaryJo: Just getting started, I had a call with Shawn about scope and how she thought we might proceed. I do have a plan of attack and will start by determining what information is needed. Will develop list of issues, create a format for posting policies.
12:54:09 <Sharron> ...also need to understand how people will submit and once that is all settled will put out a call and get started on the actual update.
12:54:32 <Sharron> Sharron: What will the call be and how can we support you?
12:54:45 <shawn> q+
12:55:02 <shawn> ack me
12:55:06 <Sharron> MaryJo: Will start with the WAI-IG list and put a pointer to a form that allows input. We will then review what people submit.
12:56:13 <Sharron> Shawn: We plan first to do a targeted ask to people who have volunteered to help with specific questions.
12:56:32 <Sharron> ...or specific countires and then open up more broadly.
12:56:50 <shawn> s/help with specific questions./help with specific countries/regions
12:56:56 <yatil> [Andrew – Australia, Sylvie – France, Eric – Germany, Shadi – Austria, Denis – Canada, rest – USA]
12:57:38 <Sharron> Denis: The current policies page seems to be lacking in format. There is no consistency.
12:57:40 <yatil> q+
12:57:55 <Sharron> ...makes it hard to compare between different entries.
12:58:13 <yatil> q-
13:00:09 <Caleb> Q+
13:00:20 <Sharron> Brent: Anyone who wants to report on their resource, don't wait for the rotation, feel free to step up when ever you are ready. Otherwise will be about 5 each week.
13:00:28 <Sharron> ...next is Easy Checks.
13:02:40 <Sharron> Caleb: I have taken the lead on the Easy Checks. I will take Eric's email as a template. I have reviewed the resource, looked at all issues. The plan is to publish out of draft and I will work through current issues - once those are complete, we can publish. Longer term we will add interactive content and more checks and make it work with the new design. But for now just need to make it work.
13:03:15 <Sharron> Brent: Thanks, I have put feedback I got at AccessU user testing into the wiki.
13:03:34 <Sharron> Brent: It seemd that the wiki got abandoned and so I have been looking at GitHUb instead.
13:03:40 <Sharron> q+
13:04:31 <Sharron> Caleb: AnnaBelle's comment had mostly to do with the illustrations so I want her to be satisfied those have been addressed.
13:04:51 <shawn> ack c
13:04:53 <shawn> ack sha
13:05:10 <shawn> Shawn: use me as point person
13:05:26 <shawn> Sharron: flashing/blinking content?
13:05:42 <shawn> ... there is a draft of the section started
13:05:42 <Sharron> Shawn: Not sure all wiki issues got moved into GitHub, feel free to use me as a the first contact.
13:06:33 <Howard> is it in the wiki?
13:07:37 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/EasyChecks/issues/1
13:07:40 <Howard> I see it mentioned in the wiki.
13:07:46 <Howard> thanks
13:08:26 <shawn> s/is it in the wiki?/
13:08:32 <shawn> s/I see it mentioned in the wiki./
13:08:40 <shawn> s/thanks/
13:08:59 <Howard> q+
13:09:09 <Sharron> Brent: To close up this part of the agenda, does anyone want to provide updates today?
13:09:23 <Sharron> Denis: I thought QuickTips were part of this?
13:09:39 <Sharron> Brent: Next week unless you want to go today...
13:10:48 <Sharron> Denis: Sure, I have looked at the exisiting QTs and looked at my long list to see what is expected. Eric's email is helping me figure it out. Is it to just to review or to jump into creating new one?
13:11:03 <Sharron> ...I would like them to have more meat thant the one that are there.
13:11:16 <Sharron> ...seem like a summary behind a technique
13:11:35 <Brent> Tips for Getting Started: https://www.w3.org/WAI/gettingstarted/tips/index.html
13:11:36 <Sharron> ...considering putting more than this to be in newer ones
13:11:47 <Sharron> ...what is groups expectation?
13:11:56 <yatil> [thinks that the current tips are like we envisioned them]
13:12:58 <shawn> Sharron: look at quicktips and how they were concieved.... person dropped in and they're looking for toe-hold to get a start. think they are ding prtty much what they are supposed to do
13:13:18 <shawn> ... look at the other ones that we did not agree on & publish
13:13:47 <shawn> ... youre idea to provide more is valuable. as RM, bring proposal & vision
13:14:18 <yatil> q+ to mention history
13:14:24 <shawn> lonely accessibility coordinator's guide - next step after quicktip[s
13:15:10 <shawn> Tips Requirements Analysis: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Quick_Start_Guides/Requirements_Analysis
13:15:43 <Sharron> Denis: If we provide something more substantial, it begins to make a lot of different levels of tips. Let me think about it as a resource manager, would want greater organization. The Tips section leading to a tutorial.
13:16:24 <Sharron> Brent: Recall what the resource was originally meant to do.
13:16:37 <Sharron> ...feel free to come to one of the planning meeting.
13:16:43 <yatil> q-
13:17:05 <Sharron> Sharron: I love the idea of mapping QTs to Tutorials for more in depth support.
13:17:23 <shawn> [ e.g., requirements "Avoid overwhelming users with too much information, but ensure they have enough to understand what they need to do."]
13:19:24 <Howard> https://www.w3.org/WAI/eval/template
13:19:55 <Sharron> Howard: I have been looking at the template for accessibility evaluation reports - needs to update from WCAG1
13:20:57 <Sharron> ...I thought the WCAG-EM might have superseded this but Shadi thinks it is a good overall approach and should be updated and is worth keeping and refreshing for contemporary use.
13:22:27 <Sharron> Shawn: I think all related information should be in sync. Now we have the WCAG-EM Methodoluy, we have the BAD eval report,and we have this. Think about alignment. Right now we need at very least, a note that says this is oout of date and links to something that is current.
13:22:47 <Sharron> ...needs to be rewritten to sync with the otehrs.
13:23:08 <Brent> q+
13:23:16 <Brent> ack howard
13:23:29 <Sharron> Howard: That makes sense. In the short term at least let's update the links to current resources rather than an alarm note at the top.
13:23:36 <Sharron> Sharron +1 to that approach
13:23:59 <Brent> ack me
13:24:13 <Sharron> Shawn: So it would be useful to have a project plan similar to Eric email template. What we are doing short tem, long term, etc.
13:24:51 <Sharron> Brent: Would strongly recommend not putting a disclaimer note. Rather do the quick fixes that make that unnecessary.
13:25:43 <Sharron> Shawn: But today there is a mistake - why would we not address it?
13:25:58 <yatil> +1 for mentioning that we are actively working on that
13:26:23 <Sharron> q+
13:26:56 <Sharron> Sharron: GitHub?
13:27:23 <Sharron> ACTION: EricE to put old eval page on GitHub
13:27:24 <trackbot> Created ACTION-362 - Put old eval page on github [on Eric Eggert - due 2016-07-15].
13:29:04 <Sharron> Shawn: This process is highlighting the fact that RMs need not to just jump in and make changes but to bring their project plan to the group to create shared understanding.
13:29:54 <shawn> s/their project plan/project plan and requirements analysis
13:29:54 <Sharron> rent: Any other comments or other updates?
13:30:25 <yatil> s/rent:/Brent:/
13:31:09 <shawn> Reminder - to send info for planning: <team-eo-plan@w3.org>
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13:31:17 <Sharron> Brent: Denis, since you will report again next week, please attend planning meeting next Thursday will send info.
13:31:57 <Sharron> Brent: Thanks and plan to report on rotation every week and feel free to jump in spontaneously as you wish.
13:32:07 <Sharron> Topic: Web Accessibility perspectives
13:32:43 <Kazuhito> Present+ Kazuhito
13:33:05 <Sharron> Brent: Shadi has a few issues around the media player but has worked through all other comments. Has created an approval for publiscation survey. Links to each of the pages and shows the changes made due to comments.
13:33:45 <Sharron> ...you may review and then there is an approval question. That will be on work for this week.
13:34:12 <Sharron> regrets- Kazuhito
13:34:29 <Sharron> Denis: Is there any chance we will have budget to create more videos?
13:35:02 <Sharron> ...are there plans to create more?
13:35:54 <Sharron> Shanw: It was part of a European Commission project that is closed. There is no more funding at this time and no plans that I know of to seek that funding.
13:36:06 <Sharron> Topic: Updates
13:37:08 <Sharron> Eric: Getting Started Tips were updated some time ago that were faciliated by Shadi. Those were published this week with a few minor bug fixes
13:37:55 <Sharron> Shawn: Do we want to do more announcements about the updates as an outreach and promotion opportunity?
13:38:06 <Sharron> ...do we have a chnage log?
13:38:39 <Brent> S/chnage/change
13:38:44 <Sharron> Eric: We do not have one at this time, but it is a good idea to maintain.
13:39:07 <Sharron> ACTION: Shadi to create change log for Getting Started Tips
13:39:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-363 - Create change log for getting started tips [on Shadi Abou-Zahra - due 2016-07-15].
13:39:29 <Kazuhito> change log can be useful, in case someone (maybe me) want to translate some of them and keep maintaining
13:39:57 <shawn> Shawn: Especially when there are translations, we provide a specific changelog
13:42:08 <Brent> RDLC: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/RDLC
13:42:14 <Sharron> Topic: Update on Resource Management Life Cycle
13:43:37 <Sharron> Brent: Internal resource there for RMs to manage and document thier work on various resources. Survey a few weeks ago accepted comments. James has worked through them, updated stages, worked with the commenters and as a result the RDLC has been updated.
13:44:03 <Sharron> ...each stage now is a link to a subpage where tips and templates can be added as we do this work.
13:46:30 <Sharron> ..can add process steps etc. We have finalized the RDLC, document is ready to go, please use it add to sub pages and request more info as needed.
13:46:36 <Sharron> ...comments, questions?
13:47:00 <Sharron> James: Appreciate any addition to the subpages.
13:48:28 <Sharron> Brent: Take the opportunity to ask questions when you are unsure about the meaning of any stage and build out the content of the subpages.
13:48:34 <shawn> q+
13:48:58 <Sharron> ...feel free to add to the wiki or ask James or me for guidance.
13:49:02 <Sharron> q-
13:49:36 <shawn> ack shawn
13:49:59 <Sharron> James: The headings on the subpages match the table headers on the main RDLC
13:52:13 <yatil> [Resource Development Life Cycle table is now vertical aligned top and the headings are left aligned.]
13:52:23 <Sharron> Brent: So everyone now just needs to make sure that your resources have been added to the management tool that Eric built.
13:53:01 <Sharron> ...we left the survey opne so that the UI Componenets list can get approval. There will be a couple of other surveys as well and will be posted to work for this week.
13:53:09 <yatil> Action: EricE to compare Resource Management Tool content to the WAI sites table and see if there are some missing
13:53:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-364 - Compare resource management tool content to the wai sites table and see if there are some missing [on Eric Eggert - due 2016-07-15].
13:53:40 <Kazuhito> I hope any resource won't be deleted from server, even if it's "retired"...
13:54:34 <yatil> [Kazuhito, we have a URL preservation policy – so we would point to new resources.]
13:55:02 <Kazuhito> ok, thank you yatil
13:55:03 <yatil> [Or clearly mark them as outdated.]
13:55:29 <Sharron> Brent: OK thanks everyone, look for work for this week
13:55:55 <Kazuhito> sorry to be late, and IRC only, thank you all
13:59:01 <Sharron> trackbot, end meeting
13:59:01 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:59:01 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been shawn, brent, Howard, dboudreau, maryjom, EricE, Laura, Cale, Sharron, James, Kazuhito
13:59:09 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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13:59:10 <RRSAgent> I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-eo-actions.rdf :
13:59:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricE to put old eval page on GitHub [1]
13:59:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-eo-irc#T13-27-23
13:59:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Shadi to create change log for Getting Started Tips [2]
13:59:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-eo-irc#T13-39-07
13:59:10 <RRSAgent> ACTION: EricE to compare Resource Management Tool content to the WAI sites table and see if there are some missing [3]
13:59:10 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-eo-irc#T13-53-09