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12:53:26 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
12:53:26 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2016
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12:55:21 <newton> Hello
12:55:51 <deirdrelee> hi newton
12:55:57 <deirdrelee> present+ deirdrelee
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12:57:02 <phila> present+ phila
12:57:12 <phila> chair: phila
12:57:57 <phila> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160708
12:58:31 <phila> scribe: phila
12:58:37 <phila> scribeNick: phila
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12:59:49 <deirdrelee> chair: deirdrelee
13:00:55 <yaso> Present+ yaso
13:01:23 <annette_g> present+ annette_g
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13:03:09 <phila> regrets+ hadleybeeman
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13:03:26 <deirdrelee> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160708
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13:04:58 <phila> Topic: Minute approvals
13:04:58 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of meeting on 24th June https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes
13:05:03 <yaso> +1
13:05:08 <deirdrelee> +1
13:05:08 <phila> +0 not present
13:05:13 <ericstephan> +0 horribly absent lately
13:05:26 <annette_g> +1
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13:06:04 <Caroline_> Present+ Caroline_
13:06:13 <BernadetteLoscio> present+ BernadetteLoscio
13:06:16 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:06:28 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Approve minutes of meeting on 24th June https://www.w3.org/2016/06/24-dwbp-minutes
13:06:31 <gatemezi> Present+ gatemezi
13:06:36 <deirdrelee> PROPOSED: Approve minutes of meeting on 1st July https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes
13:06:46 <phila> +0 not present (again)
13:06:53 <deirdrelee> +1
13:06:55 <ericstephan> +0 again
13:06:58 <Caroline_> +0 not present
13:07:16 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:07:31 <gatemezi> +1
13:07:41 <yaso> Already voted :-)
13:07:46 <yaso> +1
13:07:52 <deirdrelee> RESOLVED: Approve minutes of meeting on 1st July https://www.w3.org/2016/07/01-dwbp-minutes
13:08:04 <phila> Topic: BP Doc to CR
13:08:22 <phila> deirdrelee: We have voted to got to CR but Phil has some admin that needs to be done.
13:08:46 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr CR prepartion
13:09:00 <phila> phila: That gathers all the info to go to CR
13:11:26 <deirdrelee> phila: we're supposed to contact privacy group on privacy, we haven't done this, but we've thought about privacy, and that's documented in CR prep doc
13:11:42 <deirdrelee> ... if anyone has any more feedback on this, please add
13:12:11 <ericstephan> q+
13:12:16 <deirdrelee> ... runs through doc
13:12:58 <deirdrelee> ... hoping that 19th july is date that BP doc is published as CR
13:13:10 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
13:13:39 <deirdrelee> ericstephan: what constitutes contacting the privacy group, i did attend the privacy group meeting and alert them of draft of bp doc
13:13:51 <phila> ericstephan: I alerted the Privacy Wg to the BP draft. They talked about the privacy questionnaire. They were more interested in a qualitative assessment
13:13:56 <annette_g> q+ to ask if my name can be added to the approval list
13:14:56 <phila> ericstephan: I also had a separate discussion with the chair.
13:15:13 <phila> ack a
13:15:13 <Zakim> annette_g, you wanted to ask if my name can be added to the approval list
13:16:28 <annette_g> You can point to an archived email for me, BTW
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13:18:48 <annette_g> s/alos/also
13:19:11 <yaso> I think it's fine, Phila
13:19:16 <phila> PROPOSED: That the WG recognises the vote to seek transition to Candidate Rec for the BP document conducted by e-mail, noting also the following addition votes
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13:19:29 <yaso> +1
13:19:30 <annette_g> +1
13:19:33 <deirdrelee> +1
13:19:33 <ericstephan> +1
13:19:37 <phila> +1
13:19:42 <Caroline_> +1
13:19:44 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
13:19:44 <laufer> +1
13:19:48 <newton> +1
13:19:50 <PWinstanley> +1
13:20:00 <phila> RESOLUTION: That the WG recognises the vote to seek transition to Candidate Rec for the BP document conducted by e-mail, noting also the following addition votes
13:20:00 <yaso> We resolved the resolution o/
13:20:16 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:20:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html phila
13:20:34 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
13:20:36 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:20:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html phila
13:21:00 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html#resolution03 The resolution
13:21:04 <Caroline_> q+ to ask what else should be included in the BP document before July 19th
13:21:06 <phila> chair: Deirdre
13:21:20 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:21:20 <Zakim> Caroline_, you wanted to ask what else should be included in the BP document before July 19th
13:22:37 <deirdrelee> phila: the document that i created, I will add annette's name and email from Eric about privacy wg
13:22:47 <deirdrelee> ... but the document itself if now frozen
13:22:56 <phila> phila: And Peter W's name
13:22:56 <deirdrelee> s/if/is
13:23:05 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:23:09 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: when will directors call happen?
13:23:32 <deirdrelee> phila: request will be put in today, and that triggers call
13:23:52 <deirdrelee> ... director for this is Philip Legreut
13:24:23 <phila> Philippe le Hegeret is the Director for this
13:24:53 <phila> phila: Also need at least 1 editor, at least 1 chair, team contact
13:25:26 <deirdrelee> ... aiming for next week, but let's see, we'll have  a doodle
13:25:44 <deirdrelee> ... depending on everyone's availability
13:25:52 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: next week will be difficult for me
13:26:04 <deirdrelee> phila: week after next very likely
13:26:18 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: we'd also like to know more about this call - what happens?
13:26:47 <deirdrelee> phila: what they want to know is how doc was developed,how we're going to get implementation, etc.
13:27:07 <deirdrelee> ... not necessarily content or technical detail of doc, more about if we've followed the process
13:27:15 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: do we have to prepare anything?
13:27:30 <deirdrelee> phila: yes, to demonstrate that we've followed the process
13:27:46 <deirdrelee> BernadetteLoscio: we do this based on the document phila has prepared?
13:27:57 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2016/07/dwbp-cr
13:28:08 <deirdrelee> ... we can use this as a base?
13:28:14 <deirdrelee> ... should we prepare slides?
13:28:19 <annette_g> I found the calendar entry for the SDW WG meeting that Eric and I attended by Skype. It was March 2.
13:28:25 <deirdrelee> phila: yes, but will double-check will Ralph
13:28:44 <phila> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/chairs/2016JulSep/0001.html Example CR Transition request
13:29:13 <deirdrelee> ... this is a member space email that i used as a request to submit transition request
13:29:32 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: what's involved in the extension?
13:30:06 <deirdrelee> phila: because we're in CR this shouldn't be a problem, but we should be 4 wks in CR, and then we'll be outside of charter
13:30:23 <deirdrelee> ... so we need a little while, so we'll go until sept/oct time
13:30:47 <deirdrelee> ... after CR the next phase is proposed CR, where w3c members vote on document
13:31:05 <deirdrelee> ... at this stage we won't need calls any more
13:31:07 <annette_g> oops, that SDW meeting was webex, not Skype
13:31:48 <deirdrelee> deirdrelee: phila you'll look after the extension?
13:31:50 <deirdrelee> phila: yep
13:32:05 <phila> Topic: Implementation form
13:32:17 <newton> http://w3c.br/form-dwbp/
13:32:22 <deirdrelee> q?
13:32:25 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:32:25 <phila> newton: WE made this form
13:32:43 <phila> newton: I can ask you to test it before we send it to implementers
13:32:50 <phila> newton: You need to provide the organisation info
13:33:06 <phila> ... then the list of Bps is shown
13:33:06 <Caroline_> q+
13:33:09 <hadleybeeman> Present+ hadleybeeman
13:33:17 <deirdrelee> ack Caroline_
13:33:24 <phila> ack ca
13:33:26 <newton> present+ newton
13:33:44 <phila> Caroline_: When we were in Zagreb, we had a list of people we thought could help us with implementations
13:33:55 <phila> Caroline_: Should we recover that?
13:34:05 <phila> phila: I should be able to find it...
13:34:23 <phila> deirdrelee: This ties into dissemination. That list from Zagreb will be useful of course.
13:34:32 <phila> deirdrelee: We need to contact people to get that feedback.
13:34:47 <phila> ... Groups from within the group are valid and important but we can get more which would be good.
13:34:49 <Caroline_> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1n6tOphCLXLrzHrdyRUHVgrgx1YARdauBQBy9jSJXgDQ/edit
13:35:08 <phila> Caroline_: I really like the wiki page you, deirdrelee, created for the LC review
13:35:18 <phila> ... A standard e-mail that we can copy will be sueful
13:35:22 <phila> deirdrelee: Sure
13:35:28 <deirdrelee> s/sueful/useful
13:35:30 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:35:33 <newton> q+
13:35:37 <phila> ack b
13:35:49 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: The BPs at risk maybe...
13:36:03 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I was analysing the test and there are some about which I have some doubts
13:36:12 <phila> ... Should I send a message to the group to discuss this?
13:36:17 <phila> ... How can we proceed.
13:36:23 <phila> deirdrelee: How many?
13:36:52 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: 8 but that can be because it's not clear for me that it is possible to test.
13:36:56 <phila> q+
13:37:14 <phila> ack n
13:37:29 <annette_g> I have an issue
13:37:31 <phila> newton: The form - I want you to test it and if you have an issue filling it in, we can change it
13:37:45 <annette_g> in Safari and Firefox
13:38:01 <annette_g> will send an email
13:38:15 <laufer> newton, we can put draft data in this test phase?
13:38:27 <newton> @annette_g I used javascript to make assynchronous request
13:38:36 <phila> phila: 8 BPs we're not sure about? That's worrying having just resolved to go to CR
13:38:45 <annette_g> javascript should be fine
13:38:51 <newton> @laufer yes, you can fill the form and make tests, after we can reset it and send to all implementers
13:39:00 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: BP5, we say chaeck if a user agent can automatically discover the licence
13:39:11 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: For that, we need to implemetn a crawler or something
13:39:12 <annette_g> SyntaxError: Unexpected token '='. Expected a ')' or a ',' after a parameter declaration.
13:39:29 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: No sure if we should create a crawler
13:39:33 <deirdrelee> q+
13:39:52 <hadleybeeman> phila: for BP8, I would simply use curl
13:39:58 <phila> phila: Use cURL to get the full HTTP load
13:40:02 <deirdrelee> ack phila
13:40:15 <annette_g> clicking the different tests doesn't make any changes. When I fill in and submit the org info, I get some json back.
13:40:31 <newton> @annette_g Firefox and chrome worked here for me. Now I'm having issues with safari too.
13:40:41 <annette_g> I don't see a way to do anything other than submit the org info.
13:40:52 <hadleybeeman> phial: but you don't have to build a client that understands and recognises licenses. We have a separate working group for that.
13:40:54 <phila> q-
13:40:58 <hadleybeeman> s/phial/phila
13:41:02 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: And for BP 16 and 20...
13:41:11 <newton> @annette_g you were supposed to get this json in an assyc request (via AJAX), but it seems to be broken and not working on Safari
13:41:17 <phila> ... 16 is about vocabularies and 20 is not clear for me
13:41:49 <phila> ack d
13:42:10 <annette_g> q+
13:42:19 <phila> deirdrelee: For BP 6 and 8 etc. A lot of the stuff we have implemeted automatically test for a lot of those things so we, Ireland, have them
13:42:40 <phila> deirdrelee: And to prove and implementation, we're not asking for a demo, we're taking people on trust.
13:42:49 <phila> ... If they say their work passes, it passes.
13:42:51 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:42:59 <phila> ... I don't think anyone has to build anything new.
13:43:07 <phila> ... This harvester shows the licence etc.
13:43:09 <phila> ack
13:43:12 <deirdrelee> ack annette_g
13:43:44 <phila> annette_g: Noting the nature of the doc, anything that made the list of all should be something that we feel are common enough to be findable.
13:43:49 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
13:43:50 <phila> ack b
13:44:05 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I was in doubt about some BPs as I don't do that type of implementation
13:44:18 <phila> ... So I just wanted to be sure that it's possible
13:44:52 <phila> ... But I think it's not a problem if we have one or two BPs that we're not really sure about then we should say it.
13:45:02 <phila> deirdrelee: Anyone else with concerns?
13:45:07 <newton> q+
13:45:12 <phila> ack n
13:45:15 <deirdrelee> ack newton
13:45:29 <phila> newton: I was in douibt about BP 26 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/publishing-snapshots/CR-dwbp-20160706/#avoidBreakingChangesAPI
13:45:36 <phila> ... How can we validate that one?
13:45:49 <phila> ... With no feedback, we'll lose that BP
13:46:07 <phila> deirdrelee: If we have an API that has changed, and a record about how it has changed, then we're OK.
13:46:23 <phila> deirdrelee: It's about communication.
13:46:45 <phila> newton: I know it's a BP, but if we don't have any real world cases where the API has changed and not broken, I don't know how to validate it.
13:47:15 <phila> annette_g: The test is looking to see if people have a test version - that's what we need to show. That's why it's written that way.
13:47:50 <phila> deirdrelee: I'm thinking of APIs that we have here and Twitter's API, when it changes, they communicate that.
13:48:07 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:48:09 <phila> deirdrelee: If we're concerned about them then we should label them as Feature at Risk
13:48:15 <phila> q+
13:48:38 <phila> ack b
13:49:03 <deirdrelee> q+
13:49:12 <deirdrelee> ack phila
13:49:25 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:49:27 <hadleybeeman> phila: Sorry, but if your'e talking about now marking things at risk, or reviewing — you've lost your CR resolution.
13:49:36 <hadleybeeman> ...Sorry, but you're talking about making changes to the document.
13:49:42 <hadleybeeman> ...Those things go into the CR decision.
13:49:49 <ericstephan> q+
13:49:49 <hadleybeeman> ...You can't do it after you've resolved to publish at CR.
13:50:06 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
13:50:12 <phila> phila: Explains what CR resolution means
13:50:15 <hadleybeeman> ...So either what you've got is fine, and you're ready to go — or you start again. A director would say you're talking about being back at working draft.
13:50:26 <phila> deirdrelee: I think it's a bit of anxiety
13:50:35 <ericstephan> won't the bp be eliminated naturally if there are no implementation examples?
13:50:59 <phila> ... As Annete said, we wouldn't have them there if we diodn't think they are BPs. We should gather implementation experience and take that.
13:51:01 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:51:08 <deirdrelee> ack BernadetteLoscio
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13:51:12 <phila> BernadetteLoscio: I'm sorry but I didn't explain what I had in mind.
13:51:34 <phila> ... I don't want to make changes ot anything. It's because we're going to make some implementations and I wanted to know how to test some stuff.
13:51:42 <Caroline_> s/ot/at
13:51:44 <phila> ... It's more like this than actually changing something.
13:51:59 <ericstephan> q-
13:52:00 <phila> deirdrelee: The process of starting to gather implementations
13:52:10 <phila> ... That will give us a better picture of where we are.
13:52:23 <phila> ericstephan: I think the implementation experience is the important one now.
13:52:31 <laufer> I think that one thing is to test if one of our BPs was implemented. Another thing is to assert that the BP is a BP.
13:52:35 <phila> deirdrelee: Anyone have any real concerns about any BPs being at risk?
13:52:41 <phila> deirdrelee: OK.
13:52:42 <hadleybeeman> +1 to laufer
13:52:44 <newton> I recorded my screen in this GIF http://imgur.com/J0swYOQ  showing what should happen when you fill the organization info and submit it
13:53:14 <phila> deirdrelee: You want people to test that the form is OK. Sounds as if Annette might have found some bugs but let's see.
13:53:29 <newton> q+
13:53:43 <phila> deirdrelee: I suggest we all have a go and use the form this week. Who knows, by this time next week we might have 2 implementations for BP!
13:54:00 <phila> deirdrelee: We can see where were getting lots of implementation and where we need more
13:54:04 <phila> ack n
13:54:06 <deirdrelee> ack newton
13:54:30 <phila> newton: Before we send the form abroad, we should first send the form to the WG and then I can fix the bugs.
13:54:53 <phila> deirdrelee: Can we not just start using it and if we find a bug, tell you?
13:54:53 <annette_g> It's completely unusable for me.
13:54:55 <Caroline_> q+
13:54:59 <phila> ack c
13:55:17 <gatemezi> +1 to deirdrelee proposal
13:55:27 <phila> Caroline_: Wait until the end of the day... we're tweaking.
13:55:27 <gatemezi> We start using the form
13:55:37 <gatemezi> ah ok Caroline_
13:55:37 <phila> deirdrelee: OK, we'll start using it from Monday.
13:56:01 <phila> deirdrelee: Thanks to Newton and co for all the effort to create the form!
13:56:14 <hadleybeeman> +1 to the approach :)
13:56:19 <laufer> Thanks, newton.
13:56:21 <Caroline_> +1 to thanking newton
13:56:29 <gatemezi> Thanks newton and folks
13:56:35 <hadleybeeman> Thanks newton!!
13:56:43 <newton> we're welcome
13:56:43 <phila> deirdrelee: So we can talk about dissemination next Friday.
13:57:09 <newton> please, file bugs and send it to us and we can fix them before start using in production
13:57:22 <newton> :-)
13:57:35 <phila> Topic: DUV update
13:57:55 <phila> ericstephan: We had contact from someone ineterested in DUV nad wanted to include it the LOV
13:58:02 <phila> ... They had some suggested improvements
13:58:10 <deirdrelee> q+
13:58:15 <phila> ... Berna and I need to go over it in the coming week. I also addressed an old action
13:58:23 <phila> phila: Thanks
13:58:29 <deirdrelee> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementations
13:58:33 <phila> deirdrelee: Great news about LOV
13:58:55 <ericstephan> q+
13:58:57 <phila> deirdrelee: It would be good to have implementation news for the 2 vocabs, including planned implementations
13:59:00 <deirdrelee> ack deirdrelee
13:59:01 <phila> ack d
13:59:02 <deirdrelee> ack ericstephan
13:59:02 <phila> ack e
13:59:20 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/List_of_DUV_implementations
13:59:26 <phila> ericstephan: I notice that the DQV team, was listing publications,. We had an AGU submission accepted.
13:59:35 <phila> ... Hopefully we'll get Berndette to attend in December
13:59:40 <phila> ... So I can list those.
13:59:46 <phila> deirdrelee: AOB?
13:59:57 <phila> deirdrelee: So Phil will follow up on the Director's call.
14:00:05 <Caroline_> s/Berndette/Bernadette
14:00:15 <ericstephan> get ready....get set....IMPLEMENT and DOCUMENT!
14:00:19 <hadleybeeman> :)
14:00:22 <yaso1> Great!
14:00:27 <phila> ... And everyone needs to start using the form and next Friday we can look at dissemination.
14:00:30 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks!
14:00:31 <yaso1> Bye all
14:00:31 <laufer> bye all!
14:00:32 <annette_g> bye!
14:00:33 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:00:33 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html phila
14:00:34 <newton> bye
14:00:37 <deirdrelee> RRSAgent: generate minutes
14:00:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/08-dwbp-minutes.html deirdrelee
14:00:41 <gatemezi> bye all!
14:01:54 <phila> regrets- hadleybeeman
14:02:07 <phila> present+ PeterW
14:02:13 <hadleybeeman> Thanks phila :)
14:02:38 <hadleybeeman> Me too!
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