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17:02:27 <clapierre> title: Accessibility DPUB Task Force Weekly Meeting
17:02:44 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
17:02:59 <clapierre> present+ Charles
17:03:12 <clapierre> present+ Deborah
17:03:49 <clapierre> present+ George
17:05:53 <clapierre> Charles: to ping Heather about pull request for Braille example.
17:06:35 <clapierre> George: 	1	I’ll be on a cell phone today.
17:06:36 <clapierre> 	2	. Perhaps in the new 5.4 or a separate section 5.5 or in an accessibility section, which relates to metadata
17:06:36 <clapierre> x.x.x Accessibility metadata must describe the whole publication
17:06:36 <clapierre>  
17:06:37 <clapierre> Accessibility metadata of a PWP  relates to the whole publication; the components as an aggregate must be accessible.
17:06:37 <clapierre>  
17:06:37 <clapierre> For example, a publication that has chapters 1,2,3 as accessible, but chapter 4 is not accessible, the metadata would indicate that the publication is not accessible.
17:06:38 <clapierre>  
17:06:38 <clapierre> x.x.x Accessibility Metadata must be Discoverable
17:06:38 <clapierre>  
17:06:39 <clapierre> Before a person, school, or university decides to use a PWP, the accessibility of the PWP must be available.
17:06:39 <clapierre>  
17:06:39 <clapierre> For example, a professor is looking for digital textbooks to use in the course. The professor knows that there are regulations that require accessible educational materials. In addition, the professor is a moral person and would never knowingly use inaccessible educational materials. The professor uses the available metadata about a PWP to determine if the publication is appropriate for the class.
17:06:40 <clapierre>  
17:06:40 <clapierre> I don’t know if these types of use cases relate directly to PWP, but I thought I would bring them up.
17:08:38 <clapierre> Tzviya: on wednesday we have section 2.1.11 PWP treated as a single unit as apposed to individual case.  we can add #1 above as an example.
17:08:51 <clapierre> Charles: I will add that.
17:09:26 <clapierre> Tzviya: I am not sure that covers everything you want.  you have a11y metadata
17:10:48 <clapierre> … lets add a11y metadata currently that section is currently unstructured, currently section 8.  Maybe 8.1 or 8.2 Metadata.  in #2.1.11 say see a11y  and then these two items George wrote would go in 8.1.
17:11:13 <clapierre> … just ref. to accessibility section no section #'s.
17:12:55 <clapierre> George: perhaps only 2nd one is relevant since we already have metadata applies to whole package.
17:14:33 <clapierre> Tzviya: whole package metadata, each component is marked up for its own metadata.  Maybe this goes in summary.
17:15:07 <clapierre> … I just gave a talk to Wiley since a11y is a spectrum.  since it is accessible to some but not all
17:15:44 <clapierre> Tzviya: we need metadata at package level and component
17:16:19 <clapierre> … in 2.1.11 add bullet that says we need accessible metadata at package level
17:17:23 <clapierre> … in accessibility section we can add in the component level accessibility metadata.
17:18:23 <clapierre> Topic: a11y metadata
17:18:58 <clapierre> Charles: manifest metadata on the call.
17:20:12 <clapierre> Tzviya: in Section 8 under manifest we need to add 2 sub items for a11y package level metadata and compoent level metadata
17:20:58 <clapierre> … discoverability metadata not package level.
17:21:31 <clapierre> … George Wrote: Before a person, school, or university decides to use a PWP, the accessibility of the PWP must be available.
17:21:31 <clapierre>  
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17:22:40 <clapierre> … make it more neutral: … must be discoverable so that users knows how accessible the publication is.
17:23:05 <tzviya> Accessibility of a PWP must be discoverable so that users know how (or whether) a PWP is accessible
17:23:26 <clapierre> … then add bullets of usage example
17:23:27 <tzviya> usage examples
17:24:17 <tzviya> A professor wants to use an accessible textbook in her classroom and cannot make the decision about a book without information about the accessible assets in the book
17:25:48 <tzviya> Ferdous wants to buy a book about a museum exhibit and wants to make sure that his screen reader will describe the images to him in great detail.
17:28:12 <clapierre> Deborah: I dislike mice worse than keyboards
17:28:49 <clapierre> Tzviya: interactive textbook, HR training seminars and powerpoint which are not modal, so I click 400 times in 45 since they don't allow keyboard use.
17:29:32 <clapierre> Deborah: not allowing keyboard use is SR incomparable.  and not allowing keyboard use is not speech control compatible.
17:30:12 <clapierre> … user that uses a mix of keyboard and speech recognition and cant use any pointer devices can only keyboard and keyboard emulation.
17:30:40 <clapierre> George: is this metadata vs. reading system.
17:31:47 <clapierre> George: we can use the word hazard for users identified.  "No descriptive Audio", "There is Descriptive audio"
17:31:57 <tzviya> Alejandra must ensure that the videos in her textbook have captioning before she purchases.
17:32:25 <clapierre> Charles: I will add these.
17:32:45 <clapierre> Tzviya: granularity a11y metadata examples needed.
17:33:45 <clapierre> … Statement is: There is a need for component level Accessibility Metadata.
17:34:44 <clapierre> … "there is a need" is a little lacking…
17:36:15 <clapierre> charles: need for knowing chapter 5 only is accessible.
17:36:47 <clapierre> Tzviya: there needs to be metadata for component level on Monday  granular metadata for components.
17:38:23 <clapierre> Deborah: I will work on Personalized Experience.. but not until next week.
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17:41:28 <clapierre> Tzviya: Assistive Technology. we could probably remove it or add it as another example of a single unit.
17:42:37 <clapierre> … put it as a usage example of assistive technology as a single unit.
17:42:49 <clapierre> … meaning its another use case of 2.1.11
17:42:59 <clapierre> Charles: ok I will add that.
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17:50:49 <tzviya> zakim, bye
17:50:49 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Tzviya, Charles, Deborah, George
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17:50:53 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
17:50:53 <RRSAgent> I see no action items