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18:43:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Rich Internet Applications Working Group Teleconference
18:43:03 <trackbot> Date: 05 July 2016
18:43:31 <clown> clown has changed the topic to: WebEx Access Code 641 707 405 (Next meeting 12-Jul-2016, 20:00 UTC)
18:43:41 <clown> chair: Joseph_Scheuhammer
18:45:57 <clown> agenda: this
18:46:04 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1029 (All) Mappings for separator when it is a window-splitter.
18:46:10 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-1016 (All) Mappings for aria-keyshortcuts.
18:46:16 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-682/ACTION-1745 (Joseph/All) Overriding role of elements with required owned children
18:46:21 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-661 (All) How to map children of table/lists with role presentation.
18:46:27 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-677 (All) ATK/AT-SPI mapping of role="presentation" to ROLE_PANEL.
18:46:33 <clown> agenda+ ISSUE-487 (All)  List and define mappings for managed states.
18:46:41 <clown> agenda+ Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23
18:46:47 <clown> agenda+ Triage core-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=Core%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:46:52 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname-aam bugzillas: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?component=AccName%20AAM&product=ARIA
18:46:58 <clown> agenda+ Triage accname actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/products/26
18:47:03 <clown> agenda+ be done.
18:47:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/05-aapi-minutes.html clown
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19:08:49 <joanie> Zakim, take up item 1
19:08:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "ISSUE-1029 (All) Mappings for separator when it is a window-splitter." taken up [from clown]
19:09:04 <joanie> JS: You wanted to go through issues this week.
19:09:18 <joanie> JS: So I pre-loaded some that seem relevant.
19:09:22 <clown> issue-1029?
19:09:22 <trackbot> issue-1029 -- Add mappings for interactive separator (window splitter). -- open
19:09:22 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1029
19:09:41 <joanie> JS: This is an issue to have specific mappings for interactive separator.
19:09:49 <joanie> JS: We have a number of actions for the platforms.
19:09:55 <joanie> JS: All those mappings are pretty much done.
19:10:00 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-separator
19:10:06 <joanie> JS: Here (above) are the mappings.
19:10:12 <joanie> JS: We spoke about this last week.
19:10:31 <joanie> JS: (Describes what's in the mappings)
19:10:44 <joanie> JS: I have not changed the AXAPI mappings at all.
19:10:55 <joanie> RS: Is there a splitter role in IA2 or ATK/AT-SPI2.
19:10:57 <joanie> JS: No.
19:11:06 <joanie> RS: And you removed expanded/collapsed?
19:11:08 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:11:14 <joanie> RS: Then I think you're done.
19:11:15 <clown> action-2089?
19:11:15 <trackbot> action-2089 -- Cynthia Shelly to Double check potential value events on windows when window-splitter changes position. -- due 2016-07-05 -- OPEN
19:11:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2089
19:11:23 <joanie> JS: Action 2089 remains.
19:11:36 <joanie> JS: Cynthia is not here.
19:11:41 <joanie> JS: And she did not make a note.
19:12:02 <joanie> JS: Joanie pointed out that maybe we don't want to say "window" with splitter.
19:12:35 <joanie> http://methvin.com/splitter/
19:13:01 <joanie> JD: The above has demos and they don't look like windows to me.
19:13:07 <joanie> RS: It's really a panel.
19:13:22 <joanie> RS: In the really old days, you were splitting actual windows.
19:13:31 <joanie> JS: How should it be reworded?
19:13:40 <joanie> RS: Panels, panes, ...?
19:13:50 <joanie> JS: So "focusable pane splitter"?
19:14:00 <joanie> RS: What's you're definition of "window"?
19:14:04 <joanie> s/you're/your/
19:14:32 <joanie> JD: I would just cut out "window"
19:14:39 <joanie> JS: So "focusable splitter"?
19:15:26 <joanie> JD: Yes.
19:15:31 <joanie> JS: I will do that.
19:15:42 <joanie> JS: But we cannot close this until we hear back from Cynthia.
19:15:45 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:15:45 <Zakim> agendum 2. "ISSUE-1016 (All) Mappings for aria-keyshortcuts." taken up [from clown]
19:15:51 <clown> issue-1026
19:15:51 <trackbot> issue-1026 -- AAPI mappings for aria-errormessage -- open
19:15:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1026
19:16:16 <clown> issue-1016
19:16:16 <trackbot> issue-1016 -- Means to get all the aria-kbdshortcuts elements -- open
19:16:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1016
19:16:31 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#ariaKeyshortcuts
19:16:32 <joanie> JS: The mapping is at the above URL.
19:16:43 <joanie> JS: I have everything as people have asked me to.
19:16:49 <joanie> JS: (Reads mappings)
19:17:13 <joanie> RS: Accelerators and mnemonics are different.
19:17:16 <clown> action-1695
19:17:16 <trackbot> action-1695 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose UIA mapping for aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-03-08 -- CLOSED
19:17:16 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1695
19:17:22 <joanie> JS: This is what Cynthia told me to do.
19:17:32 <joanie> JS: (Reads from action)
19:18:09 <joanie> RS: Then that's fine.
19:19:07 <joanie> RS: I thought IA2 had a property.
19:19:09 <clown> action-1697
19:19:09 <trackbot> action-1697 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose MSAA+IA2 mapping of aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-06-07 -- CLOSED
19:19:09 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1697
19:19:17 <joanie> JS + JD: We got this from James Teh.
19:19:25 <clown> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/accessibility-ia2/2016-February/002008.html
19:19:48 <joanie> JS: The above is the email from Jamie.
19:19:58 <clown> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/windows/desktop/dd318482%28v=vs.85%29.aspx?f=255&MSPPError=-2147217396
19:20:12 <joanie> JS: James Teh also cites the above documentation.
19:20:18 <joanie> JS: But if you want to reopen this
19:20:32 <joanie> RS: No. I just want to check. I thought there was something.
19:20:44 <joanie> RS: I'm looking.
19:20:54 <joanie> RS: I'm not seeing it.
19:21:07 <joanie> RS: So it's fine.
19:21:22 <joanie> JS: The one that's standing out is AXAPI, which doesn't map it.
19:21:33 <joanie> JS: So it's not interoperable any more.
19:21:52 <clown> action-1698
19:21:52 <trackbot> action-1698 -- Joseph Scheuhammer to Propose AXAPI mapping of aria-kbdshortcuts -- due 2016-07-05 -- OPEN
19:21:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1698
19:22:00 <joanie> JS: I actually had the mapping from Chris.
19:22:21 <joanie> JS: But shortly after he said that, James Craig said "please don't map this."
19:22:33 <joanie> JS: In part, they want to get rid of the "ARIA".
19:22:37 <joanie> RS: It's their platform.
19:22:55 <joanie> RS: It's my impression that Apple wants to move more to device independence.
19:23:41 <joanie> JS: Can we close the AXAPI action?
19:23:45 <joanie> RS: I think so.
19:24:20 <joanie> JS: I'm surprised they didn't say to put it in AXHelp.
19:24:27 <joanie> JS: Anyway, closing this action.
19:24:30 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:24:30 <Zakim> agendum 3. "ISSUE-682/ACTION-1745 (Joseph/All) Overriding role of elements with required owned children" taken up [from clown]
19:24:38 <clown> issue-682?
19:24:38 <trackbot> issue-682 -- Clarify what happens to required owned childrens' roles when native host language parent is overridden with a WAI-ARIA role. -- open
19:24:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/682
19:24:48 <joanie> JS: We discussed this briefly last week.
19:24:57 <joanie> JS: This is the case where someone does the following:
19:24:57 <clown> <table role="dialog"> … </table>
19:25:06 <joanie> JS: They use a table to make a dialog.
19:25:16 <joanie> JS: The question is what happens to the required own elements?
19:25:25 <joanie> JS + RS: They become presentational.
19:25:36 <joanie> JS: I was asked to add some text regarding this.
19:25:45 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_conflicts
19:26:03 <joanie> JS: The end of the second paragraph of the text at the above URL
19:26:07 <clown> "If the host language element has required owned elements, and its native role is overridden by a WAI-ARIA role, then treat the required owned elements as having role presentation or none. "
19:26:13 <joanie> JS: I added the above sentence.
19:26:30 <joanie> JS: And I have links to the mappings for presentation and none.
19:26:41 <joanie> JS: I open the floor for comments.
19:27:08 <joanie> RS: Well, the problem is... What if you override a table with a grid?
19:27:13 <joanie> RS: So no, that won't work.
19:27:21 <joanie> JS: Grid inherits from table, right?
19:27:56 <joanie> RS: I don't think you can do a blanket statement on this one.
19:28:04 <joanie> RS: Is this for particular roles, or not?
19:28:16 <joanie> JS: The only ones I can think of at the moment are table and list.
19:28:19 <joanie> JS: Others?
19:28:34 <joanie> RS: What if we say something like the structure matches the overriding role?
19:28:40 <joanie> RS: A dialog has no structure.
19:28:58 <joanie> RS: If you put a grid on a list, that makes it even more challenging.
19:29:19 <joanie> RS: I think I would just special-case a couple of these?
19:29:24 <joanie> s/these?/these./
19:29:27 <joanie> JS: Which?
19:29:47 <joanie> RS: I think what I would do is say that when you're overriding a table, the structure would have to align with the overriding role.
19:30:01 <joanie> RS: If there is no structure, they all become presentational.
19:30:14 <joanie> JS: I can see someone using a list as well, just to get the layout.
19:30:21 <joanie> RS: Is it just for dialog?
19:30:27 <joanie> JS: No, that's just something I came up with.
19:30:41 <joanie> JS: Actually, it came up in a conversation between Alex and James N.
19:30:51 <joanie> JS: Alex had said the table remains a table.
19:30:55 <joanie> RS: You cannot do that.
19:31:09 <joanie> JS: So there was a compromise, to put a div around the whole table.
19:31:19 <joanie> RS: Fake nodes are a mess though.
19:31:27 <joanie> RS: I think that's Joanie was talking about last week.
19:31:42 <joanie> RS: Is it just for dialogs, or other things?
19:31:49 <joanie> JS: Dialog is the one mentioned.
19:31:56 <joanie> RS: You can make it an authoring error.
19:32:03 <joanie> JS: Table is used for layout.
19:32:20 <joanie> JS: I think Dojo might have even used a table element with role button.
19:32:49 <joanie> RS: Why don't we just way, with the exception of grid or table, if you put a role on top of table, it becomes presentational?
19:33:05 <joanie> JS: Or their subclasses? Because there's treegrid.
19:33:13 <joanie> RS: Does grid subclass table?
19:33:17 <joanie> JS: I think so.
19:33:43 <joanie> RS: So if the semantics are the same, of you have a subclass, then the descendants become presentational.
19:34:12 <joanie> JD: I think what Rich is describing makes sense.
19:34:28 <joanie> JD: Though due to scribing I'm only *mostly* listening and thinking.
19:34:30 <clown> If the host language element has required owned elements, and its native role is overridden by a WAI-ARIA role, then treat the required owned elements as having role presentation or none.
19:35:00 <joanie> JD: That said, if we can come up with text that cleanly/clearly expresses what Rich is saying, then it probably makes sense to do so.
19:36:21 <clown> "If the host language element has required owned elements, and its native semantics is overridden by a WAI-ARIA role, then treat the required owned elements as having role presentation or none. "
19:37:09 <clown> If the host language element has required owned elements, and its native semantics or structure is overridden by a WAI-ARIA role, then treat the required owned elements as having role presentation or none.
19:37:21 <joanie> JD: It's really not so much subclass; it's more like when the role's required owned elements are in conflict with the native required owned elements.
19:37:51 <joanie> JS: Above I put a new version of the text in which just changed one word.
19:38:10 <joanie> RS: But what about gridcell versus cell?
19:38:21 <joanie> JS: The difference there is interactive.
19:41:20 <joanie> JS: In my replacement, I changed "native role" to "native semantics" and then to "native semantics or structure"
19:41:31 <joanie> JD: I generally agree with what Joseph is saying.
19:41:41 <joanie> JD: The owned children are what are being trumped.
19:41:43 <clown> If the host language element has required owned elements, and it  is overridden by a WAI-ARIA role that has a different structure, then treat the required owned elements as having role presentation or none.
19:41:54 <joanie> JD: And we don't want to have to have a paragraph for each scenario.
19:42:00 <joanie> JS: What about the above text?
19:42:16 <joanie> RS: I think you need to go back to native host language semantics.
19:43:07 <Rich> Proposal: If the host language element is ovveridden by an ARIA role whose semantics are not equiavalent to the native host language semantics or a subclass of those semantics then the required owned elements become presentation or none.
19:43:18 <joanie> JS: I want to tweak that slightly.
19:43:45 <clown> Proposal: If the host language element is ovveridden by an ARIA role whose semantics or structure is not equiavalent to the native host language semantics or a subclass of those semantics, then the required owned elements become presentation or none.
19:43:57 <joanie> JS: So in the above I just added "or structure"
19:44:02 <joanie> RS: I'm okay with that.
19:44:32 <joanie> RS: You may need to check with Alex.
19:44:41 <joanie> JS: I think they're already doing this.
19:44:54 <joanie> JS: I think eventually he was convinced that the semantics really do change.
19:45:11 <joanie> JS: There was even a weird case where Oracle was using the CSS table markup.
19:45:24 <joanie> JS: So it looks like a table on screen.
19:46:31 <joanie> JS: And Gecko was not exposing it as a table; but as divs and spans.
19:46:44 <joanie> JS: Anyway, if I make the changes discussed here, can I close this?
19:46:46 <joanie> RS: Yes.
19:46:49 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:46:49 <Zakim> agendum 4. "ISSUE-661 (All) How to map children of table/lists with role presentation." taken up [from clown]
19:47:00 <clown> issue-661
19:47:00 <trackbot> issue-661 -- UAIG1.1: Specify how to map children of table/lists with role presentation. -- open
19:47:00 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/661
19:47:01 <joanie> JS: Isn't that what we just did?
19:47:10 <joanie> JS: Actually, this is different.
19:47:19 <joanie> JS: I think this is finished.
19:47:31 <joanie> JS: I have a bunch of actions on this.
19:47:44 <joanie> JS: All the actions are closed.
19:47:53 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-presentation
19:47:57 <joanie> JS: The text for role="presentation" already has information in it (above URL)
19:48:03 <joanie> JS: So I think this action is done.
19:48:14 <joanie> JS: (Reads mapping)
19:49:14 <joanie> JS: Can I close this issue?
19:49:18 <joanie> RS: Yes.
19:49:24 <joanie> Zakim, next item.
19:49:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "ISSUE-677 (All) ATK/AT-SPI mapping of role="presentation" to ROLE_PANEL." taken up [from clown]
19:49:36 <joanie> JD: I saw this and closed it.
19:49:41 <clown> issue-677
19:49:41 <trackbot> issue-677 -- ATK/AT-SPI mapping of role="presentation" to ROLE_PANEL is incorrect. -- closed
19:49:41 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/677
19:50:09 <joanie> JS: When I looked at this the other day and thought it was closed.
19:50:19 <joanie> JS: Joanie had raised it a while back.
19:50:29 <joanie> JS: The mapping is now ROLE_SECTION.
19:50:44 <joanie> JS: Joanie commented on when it was fixed and closed the action.
19:51:01 <joanie> JS: (Reads Joanie's comment on the action)
19:51:07 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:51:07 <Zakim> agendum 6. "ISSUE-487 (All)  List and define mappings for managed states." taken up [from clown]
19:51:15 <clown> issue-487
19:51:15 <trackbot> issue-487 -- List managed states and define mappings for managed states -- open
19:51:15 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/487
19:51:25 <joanie> JS: I think this is defunct.
19:51:35 <joanie> JS: Actually, no. I think it's a duplicate.
19:51:54 <clown> issue-706?
19:51:54 <trackbot> issue-706 -- Describe/define AAPI managed states -- open
19:51:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/706
19:52:10 <joanie> JS: And issue-706 has Cynthia's action.
19:52:26 <joanie> RS: So she still needs to do it?
19:52:28 <joanie> JS: Yes.
19:52:37 <clown> issue-487
19:52:37 <trackbot> issue-487 -- List managed states and define mappings for managed states -- open
19:52:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/487
19:52:49 <joanie> JS: My question is: Is issue-487 a duplicate of issue-706?
19:52:51 <joanie> RS: Yes.
19:53:03 <joanie> JS: Ok, I close the former as a duplicate of the latter.
19:53:17 <joanie> s/I close/I'll close/
19:53:23 <joanie> Zakim, next item
19:53:23 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Triage issues/actions: https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/products/23" taken up [from clown]
19:54:02 <joanie> issue-441
19:54:02 <trackbot> issue-441 -- Normative UAIG requirements for what UAs do when aria-posinset or aria-setsize is provided explicitly on some, but not all, elements within a set. -- open
19:54:02 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/441
19:54:04 <clown> issue-441
19:54:04 <trackbot> issue-441 -- Normative UAIG requirements for what UAs do when aria-posinset or aria-setsize is provided explicitly on some, but not all, elements within a set. -- open
19:54:04 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/441
19:54:11 <joanie> JS: I think Cynthia has an action for this.
19:54:33 <joanie> JS: What user agents are supposed to do when posinset and setsize are only provided on some items in the set.
19:54:40 <joanie> RS: Didn't we deal with this in ARIA 1.0?
19:54:43 <joanie> JS: No.
19:54:51 <joanie> JS: We might have opened it in ARIA 1.0.
19:54:57 <clown> action-1373
19:54:57 <trackbot> action-1373 -- Cynthia Shelly to Create a test case for when aria-posinset and aria-setsize are provided explicitly on some but not all elements. -- due 2016-08-02 -- OPEN
19:54:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/1373
19:54:58 <joanie> RS: Do we have an action?
19:55:11 <joanie> JS: Yes, action-1373. Due August 2nd.
19:55:22 <joanie> RS: Should we reassign this?
19:55:28 <joanie> JS: You want it?
19:55:31 <joanie> RS: Sure.
19:55:38 <joanie> JS: I would rather ask her first.
19:56:19 <joanie> RS: Why can't we leave it as undefined?
19:56:38 <joanie> JS: If you don't put it on anything, Firefox figures it out.
19:56:42 <joanie> JS: But it might not be correct.
19:56:57 <joanie> RS: My personal belief is that authors should set them.
19:57:05 <joanie> RS: I don't know if it's something we should try to fix.
19:57:14 <joanie> JS: It was created back in 2011.
19:57:20 <joanie> JS: But it doesn't say who created it.
19:57:37 <joanie> RS: This is before ARIA 1.0 shipped.
19:57:56 <joanie> RS: I think this is not important.
19:58:01 <joanie> RS: And it's unreliable.
19:58:10 <joanie> RS: Because no one is going to do it the same way.
19:58:28 <joanie> JS: Her action is to create a test case.
19:58:44 <joanie> RS: I don't think this is worth doing.
19:58:49 <joanie> RS: I recommend we close it.
20:00:05 <joanie> JD: Not saying anything at all seems bad though.
20:00:19 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_additional_position
20:00:55 <joanie> RS: It's an error condition.
20:01:05 <clown> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_additional_position
20:01:19 <joanie> JS: I just found text in the mapping spec which tells you how to fix it (above URL).
20:01:23 <joanie> RS: But that's group position.
20:01:32 <joanie> JS: Keep reading. Third paragraph.
20:01:46 <joanie> RS: So there in or they're out.
20:01:58 <joanie> RS: But what happens when posinset is there and setsize is not.
20:02:10 <joanie> RS: If they're not provided, user agents must compute them as follows.
20:02:21 <joanie> RS: But if one of them is provided, then it's up to the author to do the setting.
20:02:30 <joanie> RS: And you might have inconsistent results.
20:02:37 <joanie> RS: But we shouldn't try to repair them.
20:02:47 <joanie> JS: So what the user agent does is undefined?
20:02:50 <joanie> RS: Yes.
20:03:00 <joanie> RS: It's up to the author to maintain these values.
20:03:05 <joanie> RS: Not the user agent.
20:03:19 <joanie> JS: Do you want to add a sentence to that effect, or just leave it alone?
20:04:54 <Rich> Proposal: If the author provides one or more of aria-setsize and aria-posinset it up to the author to maintain the values and user agent correction of these values is not defined.
20:04:55 <joanie> JD: Looking at the ARIA spec, https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/aria.html#aria-posinset, it says authors SHOULD provide aria-setsize.
20:05:06 <joanie> RS: Above is my proposal.
20:05:14 <joanie> JS: I can wordsmith that.
20:05:29 <joanie> JS: I'm inclined to put it in the author-error section.
20:05:30 <Rich> Proposal: If the author provides one or more of aria-setsize and aria-posinset it is up to the author to maintain the values and user agent correction of these values is not defined.
20:05:44 <joanie> JS: And then close the issue and action.
20:05:58 <joanie> JS: And Cynthia's test case action evaporates?
20:06:04 <joanie> RS: Yes, because it's undefined.
20:06:12 <joanie> JS: I'll triple-check with her though.
20:07:49 <joanie> regrets+ Cynthia_Shelly
20:08:05 <joanie> Zakim, part
20:08:05 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, Joseph_Scheuhammer, Bryan_Garaventa, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
20:08:05 <Zakim> Zakim has left #aapi
20:08:11 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
20:08:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/07/05-aapi-minutes.html joanie
20:09:16 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
20:09:20 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop