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21:00:21 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
21:00:21 <trackbot> Date: 28 June 2016
21:00:24 <kerry> chair: kerry
21:00:31 <kerry> present+ Kerry
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21:00:36 <kerry> regrets: PhilA
21:01:01 <JoelRamsay> present+ JoelRamsay
21:01:17 <kerry> present+ SimonCox RaulGarciaCastro
21:04:28 <kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
21:05:13 <kerry> scribe: SimonCox
21:05:19 <roba> present+ roba
21:05:21 <kerry> scribenick: SimonCox
21:05:46 <kerry> proposed: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/06/14-sdwssn-minutes
21:05:58 <kerry> +1
21:06:00 <SimonCox> +1
21:06:01 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
21:06:24 <roba> +1
21:06:25 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
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21:06:46 <kerry> approved: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/06/14-sdwssn-minutes
21:06:57 <kerry> resolved: approve minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/06/14-sdwssn-minutes
21:07:06 <kerry> topic: patent call
21:07:25 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
21:08:39 <kerry> topic:  Modularity: Diagram changes and email this week
21:08:48 <ClausStadler> present+ ClausStadler
21:09:38 <kerry> topic:  ISSUE-13 and this email from Frans
21:09:50 <SimonCox> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#DeferredRequirements
21:09:50 <kerry> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#DeferredRequirements
21:10:01 <kerry> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Jun/0112.html
21:10:11 <kerry> issue-13?
21:10:11 <trackbot> issue-13 -- SSN req. to discuss - Profiling, e.g. for checking compliance to standard model. -- closed
21:10:11 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/13
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21:14:04 <roba> i'm losing sound regulary.. :-(
21:14:22 <SimonCox> Proposal from kerry and frans that the requirement not be labelled 'deferred'
21:14:43 <roba> q+
21:14:55 <roba> +1
21:15:07 <SimonCox> Motion: move deferred requirement back into main document
21:15:30 <kerry> +1
21:15:31 <SimonCox> s/document/section/
21:15:32 <JoelRamsay> +1
21:15:37 <SimonCox> +1
21:15:38 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
21:15:39 <SimonCox> +1
21:15:52 <SimonCox> Resolved:
21:16:08 <kerry> resolved:  move deferred requirement back into main document
21:16:11 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
21:17:01 <kerry> ack roba
21:17:07 <kerry> q?
21:17:28 <SimonCox> roba: currently working through issues around profiling O&M for citizen science
21:17:51 <SimonCox> roba: so, yes this is a real use case. But what is the mechanism for defining a profile within an ontology
21:18:13 <SimonCox> roba: should not be solved by this group! much more general
21:18:20 <SimonCox> q+
21:18:50 <SimonCox> kerry: we have been invited to propose mechanism/pattern
21:19:26 <SimonCox> roba: if highly modular structure, then profiling is another mechanism within application domain
21:19:36 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:20:19 <SimonCox> SimonCox: namespaces? named graphs? validation structures?
21:20:40 <SimonCox> kerry: not clear yet - can't deal in this meeting
21:21:39 <SimonCox> roba: test case for the modules as we proceed with that
21:21:39 <kerry> q?
21:22:23 <SimonCox> continue to use issue-13 to track this topic
21:22:52 <kerry> q?
21:23:10 <kerry> topic: SSN Requirements from UCR
21:23:38 <SimonCox> kerry:UCR is heading to final revision
21:24:05 <SimonCox> ... all members of ssn group should check requirements
21:24:54 <kerry> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/UseCases/SDWUseCasesAndRequirements.html#arSSN
21:25:32 <SimonCox> ... add to agenda explicitly for next meeting
21:26:10 <kerry> topic:  Modularity: Diagram changes and email this week
21:26:22 <kerry> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
21:26:29 <kerry> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2016Jun/0134.html
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21:27:31 <roba> q+
21:27:40 <SimonCox> q+
21:27:59 <kerry> q?
21:28:05 <kerry> ack roba
21:28:29 <SimonCox> roba: diagram is high level, novel notation/idiom
21:28:56 <SimonCox> ... Jano's proposal makes more sense, horizontal and vertical
21:29:23 <SimonCox> ... the proposal here does not look very modular
21:29:53 <SimonCox> ... e.g. can't see sensor details, or relation with sampling feature
21:30:17 <SimonCox> kerry: core has minimum needed for IoT uc
21:30:44 <SimonCox> ... this is Jano's proposal
21:31:06 <SimonCox> roba: yes, this diagram is the vertical modularity, but not the horizontal modularity
21:31:31 <SimonCox> kerry: vertical - increasing complexity as go out from core
21:31:51 <SimonCox> ... diagram does not show enough vertical modularization
21:32:32 <SimonCox> ... horizontal is the relationship between O&M and SSN facets
21:32:42 <SimonCox> ... core needs to be smaller?
21:33:04 <SimonCox> ... not yet agreed what goes in core, and what in other modules
21:33:15 <kerry> q?
21:33:20 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:34:16 <JoelRamsay> q+
21:34:22 <SimonCox> SimonCox: how should mechanics of commenting work?
21:34:58 <SimonCox> kerry: WebProtege is shared editting tool, add comments directly
21:35:12 <SimonCox> ... request editting permission from Armin
21:35:31 <kerry> q?
21:35:37 <kerry> ack JoelRamsay
21:36:02 <SimonCox> JoelRamsay: extra arrow from DOLCE to core. Why?
21:36:15 <SimonCox> ... it is already implied by SNM link
21:36:52 <SimonCox> kerry: agree - probably an error
21:36:54 <kerry> q?
21:37:18 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
21:37:47 <SimonCox> ack DanhLePhuoc
21:37:57 <kerry> ACTION: armin to remove arrow from dul alignment to core on diagram
21:37:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-181 - Remove arrow from dul alignment to core on diagram [on Armin Haller - due 2016-07-05].
21:38:16 <SimonCox> DanhLePhuoc: other integrations with QB, OWL-Time?
21:39:15 <SimonCox> kerry: alignment modules will be key
21:39:16 <SimonCox> q+
21:39:40 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:39:57 <SimonCox> SimonCox: what is in alignment modules?
21:40:09 <SimonCox> ... subclass + subproperty axioms?
21:40:25 <SimonCox> kerry: look at DOLCE alignment module to see.
21:40:26 <JoelRamsay> q+
21:43:26 <roba> q+
21:43:39 <SimonCox> ... exact mechanism depends on modularity mechanism
21:43:53 <SimonCox> ... currently you get the alignment from the same URI
21:44:20 <SimonCox> SimonCox: maybe need to use graphs?
21:44:42 <kerry> q?
21:44:46 <kerry> ack JoelRamsay
21:44:49 <SimonCox> kerry: existing DOLCE alignment is strawman
21:45:37 <SimonCox> JoelRamsay: What goes in core? Is it the stuff that is always required, so must always be assumed to be present
21:45:50 <SimonCox> q+
21:46:08 <SimonCox> ack roba
21:46:11 <kerry> ack roba
21:46:25 <SimonCox> roba: struggling with notion of a single core
21:46:56 <SimonCox> ... logical grouping for maximum stability
21:47:14 <SimonCox> kerry: invite roba to make proposal!
21:48:06 <SimonCox> ... too many modules creates it own challenges. More documentation. Tradeoffs all over the place!
21:48:08 <kerry> q?
21:48:49 <kerry> q?
21:49:07 <SimonCox> roba: lots of small components now common in programming. Tooling like Maven makes it manageable.
21:49:34 <SimonCox> ... better than monolithic
21:50:01 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
21:51:04 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewriting_SSN
21:52:05 <SimonCox> roba: namespaces/mechanisms/files - need profile for e.g. water quality monitoring - that would not match any of these namespaces
21:52:35 <SimonCox> ... if all in one namespace, hard to know what each module is for
21:53:05 <kerry> q?
21:53:18 <SimonCox> kerry: backward compatibility with SSN is a consideration
21:53:56 <kerry> q?
21:54:44 <kerry> q?
21:54:51 <kerry> ack SimonCox
21:56:26 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:56:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/28-sdwssn-minutes.html kerry
21:57:31 <kerry> simon suggests at least 3 cores
21:57:47 <kerry> ack DanhLePhuoc
21:58:04 <SimonCox> SimonCox: 3 cores - sensors, sampling, observation-events
21:59:13 <kerry> q?
21:59:48 <SimonCox> DanhLePhuoc: need to integrate plan for best practice <--> design
21:59:55 <SimonCox> ... iterate between these
22:00:31 <SimonCox> kerry: not the SDWWG best practice
22:00:46 <SimonCox> DanhLePhuoc: need a SSN best practice
22:01:47 <DanhLePhuoc> ISSUE: Create corresponding Best practices to on-going design patterns
22:01:47 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-69 - Create corresponding best practices to on-going design patterns.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/69/edit>.
22:02:06 <ChrisLittle__> Bye
22:02:10 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
22:02:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/28-sdwssn-minutes.html kerry