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13:07:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Multimodal Interaction Working Group Teleconference
13:07:08 <trackbot> Date: 27 June 2016
13:07:14 <ddahl> scribe: ddahl
13:07:19 <ddahl> chair: Debbie_Dahl
13:07:25 <ddahl> topic: actions
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13:08:05 <ddahl> action-443?
13:08:05 <trackbot> action-443 -- B Helena RODRIGUEZ to Write up the use case of millions of images from tpac and send to the group list -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:08:05 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/443
13:08:29 <ddahl> helena: didn't have time to do that
13:08:54 <ddahl> ... will do that in the next two weeks
13:09:03 <ddahl> action-444
13:09:03 <trackbot> action-444 -- B Helena RODRIGUEZ to Revise the vocabulary document with a new description -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:09:03 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/444
13:09:20 <ddahl> helena: did that
13:09:28 <helena> http://w3c.github.io/mmi-discovery/vocabulary.html
13:09:30 <ddahl> close action-444
13:09:30 <trackbot> Closed action-444.
13:09:44 <ddahl> action-445?
13:09:44 <trackbot> action-445 -- B Helena RODRIGUEZ to Update vocabulary document in github -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:09:44 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/445
13:09:57 <ddahl> helena: did that
13:10:03 <ddahl> close action-445
13:10:03 <trackbot> Closed action-445.
13:10:21 <ddahl> action-446?
13:10:21 <trackbot> action-446 -- Deborah Dahl to Review updated vocabulary document -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:10:21 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/446
13:10:32 <ddahl> debbie: will do that this week
13:10:40 <ddahl> action-447?
13:10:40 <trackbot> action-447 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Review updated vocabulary -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:10:40 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/447
13:11:05 <ddahl> kaz: will do that this week
13:11:13 <ddahl> action-448?
13:11:13 <trackbot> action-448 -- Deborah Dahl to Check on status of apa review of state management -- due 2016-06-27 -- OPEN
13:11:13 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/448
13:11:38 <ddahl> debbie: not due until October
13:12:10 <ddahl> debbie: should we try to get them to do that a little sooner?
13:12:30 <ddahl> helena: they should do that sooner
13:12:46 <ddahl> debbie: it would be good to discuss at TPAC
13:12:57 <ddahl> close action-448
13:12:57 <trackbot> Closed action-448.
13:13:16 <ddahl> action-449?
13:13:16 <trackbot> action-449 -- Kazuyuki Ashimura to Send cleaned-up diagrams to the list -- due 2016-06-30 -- OPEN
13:13:16 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/2002/mmi/Group/track/actions/449
13:13:48 <ddahl> kaz: will do within 5 minutes
13:14:04 <ddahl> close action-449
13:14:04 <trackbot> Closed action-449.
13:14:21 <ddahl> topic: use case wiki
13:15:15 <ddahl> debbie: look at automotive use case
13:15:44 <ddahl> dirk: to be successful we need to extend GENIVI to be able to interact with MMI Architecture
13:16:01 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/wiki/MMI/Use_Cases_Categorized use case wiki
13:16:34 <ddahl> dirk: has a diagram, will share screens
13:19:56 <ddahl> dirk: IM in the business logic layer takes care of orchestration
13:20:31 <ddahl> ...FRANCA is a common API, MMI could go over this
13:20:47 <ddahl> ...could we have multiple transport layers
13:21:00 <kaz> q+
13:21:47 <ddahl> dirk: FRANCA could transport MMI events, in the car they use D-bus
13:22:27 <ddahl> kaz: working for the automotive WG, have been talking with Genivi people, now they're interested in
13:22:35 <ddahl> ...web socket interface
13:24:24 <ddahl> dirk: can add MMI to Genivi without changing it
13:28:12 <ddahl> dirk: can send these to the public list
13:28:36 <ddahl> s/these/these slides
13:31:09 <kaz> kaz: mentions there will be a f2f meeting of the automotive wg in portland in july
13:31:26 <kaz> ... would be great if I could refer to these slides there
13:32:35 <ddahl> debbie: could the boxes be seen as modality components?
13:33:02 <ddahl> dirk: yes, in some cases they are MC's, like speech, but in other cases they could be mapped to MC's, like tuner
13:33:44 <ddahl> ...none of them seem to raise any issues for the MMI Architecture
13:34:28 <ddahl> ...there are some concurrency issues, like muting audio while a phone call is going on
13:35:47 <ddahl> ....could use Pause events or something like that
13:36:30 <ddahl> debbie: what are the protocols?
13:36:54 <ddahl> dirk: relying on FRANCA, the common API
13:37:06 <ddahl> ...seems to be a nice fit
13:37:45 <ddahl> ...some automotive vendors use state-based systems for business logic, not necessarily SCXML
13:38:01 <ddahl> ...I think this could be done by SCXML
13:38:59 <ddahl> debbie: the low level layers are common resources for the components?
13:39:06 <ddahl> dirk: yes, low level services
13:39:23 <ddahl> kaz: this libraries are written in C/C++?
13:39:26 <ddahl> dirk: eys
13:39:30 <ddahl> s/eys/yes
13:39:57 <ddahl> debbie: implementations?
13:40:22 <ddahl> dirk: there is an implementation that can be downloaded
13:41:15 <ddahl> ...everyone has to think about how to handle speech, touch input, etc. it would be great to show that the MMI Architecture can be used to integrate it
13:42:12 <ddahl> kaz: I like this diagram because it's focused on services, not devices
13:42:55 <ddahl> debbie: is there any scope for Discovery?
13:43:47 <ddahl> dirk: people plug in their devices and establish a connection, not sure how this is discovered, or what if you have more than one phone
13:44:46 <ddahl> ...discovering which services the phones provide, contacts, messaging services, basically discovering the capabilities of attached devices
13:45:51 <ddahl> helena: was also wondering about discovery -- what if there are a lot of people in the car with tablets and phones?
13:46:00 <ddahl> ...there's a lot of work to do there?
13:46:24 <ddahl> helena: what if I don't have an HTML5 GUI
13:46:35 <ddahl> dirk: this is based on a QT GUI
13:47:35 <ddahl> debbie: you can't say that only the driver can connect to the car, because a passenger might have music
13:47:43 <ddahl> ...that everyone wants to hear
13:48:13 <ddahl> dirk: or sometimes you don't want everyone in the car to hear your music
13:48:42 <ddahl> kaz: you also don't want people outside the car to access your music
13:49:13 <ddahl> helena: what about something like a bus? Usually automotive is focused on car
13:49:33 <ddahl> dirk: buses are more complicated
13:49:49 <ddahl> ...sometimes the bus provides wireless access
13:50:34 <ddahl> kaz: the W3C Vehicle API just handles cars (not busses), max of 9 seats
13:50:45 <ddahl> s/busses/buses
13:52:14 <ddahl> debbie: have people talked about moving a session to a different car?
13:52:38 <ddahl> dirk: you could use your phone to retain the state between cars
13:52:55 <ddahl> kaz: the car should be able to identify multiple users
13:53:39 <ddahl> debbie: in a rental car you don't want the previous renters to still be able to interact with the car
13:53:54 <ddahl> dirk: the profiles need to be able to be forgotten
13:54:28 <kaz> s/multiple users/multiple users. maybe both the car IVI and the user's smartphone need to have several profiles for that purpose./
13:55:09 <ddahl> dirk: the MMI Architecture doesn't support user profiles
13:55:26 <ddahl> debbie: should we add user profiles to the wiki
13:55:37 <ddahl> kaz: for security, privacy
13:55:41 <ddahl> dirk: agreed
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