IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-06-27
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- 17:04:48 [jamesn]
- Meeting: ARIA APG TF
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- rrsagent, make log world
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- Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status
- 17:05:25 [jamesn]
- Agenda+ Review format (not content) of tree pattern example page as proposal for improved example information template
- 17:06:27 [jemma_]
- present+ jaeunKu
- 17:06:43 [jamesn]
- present+ JamesNurthen
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- present+ MattKing
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- present+ Birkir
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- present+ JonGunderson
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- present+ AnnAbbott
- 17:07:53 [jamesn]
- present+ IanPouncey
- 17:08:07 [jamesn]
- zakim, pick a victim
- 17:08:07 [Zakim]
- Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Birkir
- 17:08:27 [mck]
- scribe: matt_king
- 17:09:11 [jamesn]
- scribe: mck
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- zakim, take up first item
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- I don't understand 'take up first item', mck
- 17:09:32 [mck]
- zakim, take up item 1
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- agendum 1. "Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Design-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:09:34 [Birkir]
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- present+ Birkir
- 17:10:27 [mck]
- mk: reviewing status page.
- 17:11:09 [mck]
- mk: Want to include dates in table rather than just flags.
- 17:14:37 [jongund]
- https://rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/master/examples/treeview/js/treeview.js
- 17:15:20 [mck]
- MK: Discuss need for coding guidelines
- 17:15:34 [mck]
- MK: Ask Ian if he can contribute
- 17:15:44 [mck]
- IP: Yes, can do in next couple weeks.
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- jg: Shared current treeview example
- 17:16:29 [mck]
- jg: includes license, and doc
- 17:16:48 [mck]
- ip: will use as a starting point
- 17:17:17 [mck]
- jg: want ti to be readable and understandable, especially for keyboard support.
- 17:18:38 [mck]
- mk: issues like how much of the aria is in the html vs injected with js
- 17:18:53 [mck]
- jg: yes, easier to follow if attribs are in the html
- 17:19:24 [mck]
- mk: goal is to make it easier for other people to contribute to the project.
- 17:19:52 [mck]
- jg: Not necessarily easier but they have to read somethig.
- 17:20:52 [mck]
- mk: Just to be clear, this is only about the js/css/html, not the complete example template.
- 17:22:20 [mck]
- mk: Bryan could you contribute accordian.
- 17:24:01 [mck]
- bg: It would helpif someone else put together the template page.
- 17:24:16 [mck]
- bg: I will be gone from aug 2 to sep 2
- 17:26:33 [Birkir]
- I can help with the documentation/content part of the accordion if needed.
- 17:34:10 [mck]
- mk: discussion of review process; attempt to do async via the list.
- 17:34:27 [jemma_]
- https://cdn.rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/master/examples/treeview/treeviews.html
- 17:34:43 [mck]
- jg: tree is ready. woudllike review today.
- 17:38:17 [mck]
- mk: Birkir will take the tabs example; Michiel can then focus on spinbutton.
- 17:38:37 [mck]
- zakim, take up next item
- 17:38:37 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "Review format (not content) of tree pattern example page as proposal for improved example information template" taken up [from jamesn]
- 17:39:04 [jemma_]
- https://cdn.rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/master/examples/treeview/treeviews.html
- 17:39:08 [jongund]
- https://rawgit.com/jongund/aria-practices/master/examples/treeview/treeviews.html
- 17:40:49 [mck]
- jg: This template features a table that describes each of several different kinds of trees.
- 17:41:00 [mck]
- jg: it is an overview page.
- 17:41:17 [mck]
- jg: Describes which aria attribs are used in each example
- 17:43:23 [mck]
- mk: wondering if this overview info goes in the main doc
- 17:43:44 [mck]
- mk: we will not have so many examples for every pattern
- 17:43:53 [mck]
- jg: that's fine to do it that way
- 17:44:52 [mck]
- Birkir: enjoys the fruit example
- 17:45:58 [mck]
- mk: could the link tree replace the site navigator tree section
- 17:47:57 [mck]
- Birkir: likes the idea of consolidating.
- 17:48:55 [mck]
- mk: John, did you make any other template changes on the example pages
- 17:49:19 [mck]
- jg: We added a keyboard section table
- 17:49:32 [mck]
- jg: We have an aria roles table
- 17:50:14 [mck]
- mk: Is this redundant info
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- jg: not every example does everything described in the main doc
- 17:50:50 [mck]
- So, it says what is used in this particular example.
- 18:02:09 [jemma_]
- https://blog.codepen.io/documentation/features/embedded-pens/
- 18:03:38 [mck]
- mk: discussion of how readers of examples can easily download or use the thml that goes along with the css and js.
- 18:05:38 [jemma_]
- birkir's team tested accessibility between jsfiddle and codepen andfound codepen is more accessible.
- 18:08:38 [jemma_]
- mck: May we have a way of rending html automatically in the example?
- 18:09:19 [Birkir]
- This is how we do it on Deque University: https://dequeuniversity.com/library/aria/counters/sf-characters-remaining
- 18:12:11 [jemma_]
- mck:filename.html can be added as a separate link in the example so that html file can be downloaded.
- 18:12:15 [mck]
- mk: 3 high-level changes to template:
- 18:12:42 [mck]
- 1. Overview page is part of main doc and does not include the detail tables.
- 18:12:56 [mck]
- 2. Move detail tables to example pages.
- 18:13:20 [mck]
- 3. Make downloading example source easier.
- 18:13:53 [mck]
- 4. Add a description of the use case of the example.
- 18:16:44 [jemma_]
- mck:main doc means "apg doc"
- 18:18:50 [jongund]
- https://gist.github.com/jongund/2f4510cbddd4d7ace40154656a6867d4
- 18:19:17 [mck]
- TOPIC: Instructions for creating an example
- 18:19:27 [mck]
- JG: provided link to a gist
- 18:23:50 [mck]
- mk: This gist is good start but missing initial steps.
- 18:24:49 [mck]
- mk: Assume this is being read by someone who is not familiar with our repo and may even need basic git guidance.
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/27-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
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- zakim, bye
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- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been jaeunKu, JamesNurthen, MattKing, Birkir, JonGunderson, AnnAbbott, IanPouncey
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