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15:53:02 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Payments Working Group Teleconference
15:53:02 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2016
15:53:14 <Ian> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20160623
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15:58:55 <rouslan> Present+ Rouslan
16:00:05 <Ian> present+ Ian
16:00:10 <Ian> zakim, who's here?
16:00:10 <Zakim> Present: Rouslan, Ian
16:00:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see rouslan, Zakim, RRSAgent, dezell, Jason_Yang, jeff, Adam_, shepazu, adamR, ShaneM, hober, adrianba, collier-matthew, dlehn, dwim, slightlyoff, davidillsley_, dlongley,
16:00:12 <Zakim> ... schuki, mkwst, Ian, manu, wseltzer, trackbot, AdrianHB
16:00:13 <Ian> present+ Kepeng
16:00:16 <Ian> present+ Jason_Yang
16:00:22 <Ian> present+ BrainS
16:00:28 <Ian> present- BrainS
16:00:31 <Ian> present+ BrianS
16:00:46 <adamR> present+ adamR
16:00:49 <dlehn> present+ dlehn
16:00:51 <Ian> present+ AdrianHB
16:00:53 <Ian> present+ Nick
16:00:59 <Ian> present+ Mahesh
16:01:21 <manu> present+ Manu
16:01:34 <Ian> Kepeng: Can we change the meeting time to be 1 or 2 hours earlier?
16:01:39 <Ian> Ian: The Chairs and Team contacts will discuss
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16:01:54 <Ian> ACTION: AdrianHB to work on regular meeting times
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16:01:56 <dezell> present+ dezell
16:02:07 <Ian> agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20160623
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16:02:52 <Ian> scribe: Ian
16:03:02 <Ian> agenda?
16:03:03 <nicktr> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20160623
16:03:06 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:03:14 <nicktr> present+ nicktr
16:03:18 <Ian> topic: FTF meeting update
16:03:34 <Ian> NickTR: Updated agenda of FTF meeting
16:03:42 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Web-Payments-Working-Group-FTF-Meeting-%28July-2016%29#agenda
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16:03:57 <Ian> ...moved some information around...time for payment request API, payment apps, payment method specs
16:04:00 <Ian> ...testing, security review
16:04:05 <Ian> ...and HTTP API work as well
16:04:22 <Ian> q+
16:04:46 <nicktr> ack Ian
16:04:55 <manu> Ian: Something we talked about in the Chairs meeting - Payment Request API to discuss implementation experience
16:04:57 <Ian> IJ: Focus on implementer experience on day 1
16:05:01 <Ian> regrets+ Zach
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16:05:43 <rouslan> q+ about demos
16:05:51 <rouslan> q+ to talk about demos
16:05:53 <Ian> Nick: We are keen to see demos...we have something to show from Worldpay
16:05:57 <rouslan> q- about demos
16:06:10 <Ian> q+
16:06:16 <Ian> ack rouslan
16:06:16 <Zakim> rouslan, you wanted to talk about demos
16:06:22 <Ian> rouslan: Yes, I'd be happy to show a demo
16:06:24 <Ian> ack me
16:07:24 <Ian> topic: Payment Architecture Summary
16:07:28 <manu> https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/wparch/
16:08:01 <Ian> Manu: Purpose of the doc is not to lay out a formal spec or detailed architecture.
16:08:12 <Ian> ...more to give people an introductory summary about roles and communications
16:08:38 <Ian> ...goal is to try to reflect what we have today with a slight lean to the future.
16:08:49 <Ian> ...Rouslan, Katie, AHB, Ian reviewed the document
16:08:53 <Ian> ..there have been some request changes
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16:09:19 <Ian> [Manu walks through sections of the document]
16:09:28 <manu> Links to specifications that detail each aspect of the architecture in more detail are also provided for implementers.
16:09:38 <manu> https://w3c.github.io/webpayments/proposals/wparch/#roles-in-the-architecture
16:10:27 <AdrianHB> q+ to provide some high level feedback and discuss next steps
16:10:51 <Ian> Manu: There is one item in here where I changed name from payment request to payment instruction
16:10:59 <Ian> ...that was at the request of the ISO 20022 RA colleagues
16:11:07 <Ian> ..and because we are going to be dealing with subscriptions at some point
16:11:10 <Ian> ..that can be taken out.
16:11:18 <Ian> ...also there is something that talks about payment app registration
16:11:25 <Ian> q+
16:11:43 <nicktr> ack AdrianHB
16:11:43 <Zakim> AdrianHB, you wanted to provide some high level feedback and discuss next steps
16:11:44 <Ian> ack adrianhb
16:11:49 <Ian> adrianhb: Thanks, Manu.
16:11:54 <Ian> ...a great first stab at this
16:12:02 <Ian> ...this is probably a direction than a formal architecture document
16:12:09 <Ian> ..it feels like the group does not want a formal architecture document.
16:12:19 <Ian> ...so for next steps, I propose that we agree to what kind of document we want
16:12:31 <Ian> ..if this document looks like what we want, then we can adopt it and work on it.
16:12:46 <Ian> ...so I want to understand what we want first
16:12:50 <nicktr> q?
16:13:21 <Ian> AdrianHB: So the question is "do we want a summary doc"?
16:13:30 <Ian> ...I agree with Ian that the first draft needs to reflect what we have already done
16:13:45 <Ian> ...if we want to introduce a new concept like payment instruction, we should discuss further before introducing the new terms
16:13:52 <Ian> ...our process has been to lead with low-level documents.
16:14:01 <Ian> ...and then we are summarizing what we've done
16:14:10 <nicktr> q?
16:14:20 <Ian> ...if we want to proceed in a different fashion, we should make a conscious decision to do otherwise.
16:14:24 <nicktr> ack Ian
16:14:39 <dlongley> +1 to AdrianHB, another option for things where we don't yet have consensus is to put them as issues in the spec
16:15:42 <AdrianHB> +1 to issue markers for discussion points
16:16:03 <dezell> +1 to both dlongley and AdrianHB on markers
16:16:10 <AdrianHB> +1 to ian - we should not prioritize this document yet
16:16:32 <nicktr> q?
16:16:33 <manu> q+ to note that W3C has NOTEs, and that it's difficult to prep discussions for face-to-face without some of these documents - like WP architecture summary.
16:16:38 <AdrianHB> -1 to wiki first. I think this is mature enough
16:16:40 <adamR> +1 to Ian’s point also. This is useful information, but I don’t think we need to take it on as a formal document
16:16:50 <Ian> ack Manu
16:16:50 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note that W3C has NOTEs, and that it's difficult to prep discussions for face-to-face without some of these documents - like WP architecture summary.
16:17:05 <Kepeng> q+
16:17:07 <Ian> Manu: It's ok for this to be in a document format.
16:17:10 <AdrianHB> +1 to publishing as a note
16:17:25 <Ian> ...I don't think anyone is asking to prioritize the document without this sort of document.
16:17:41 <dlongley> +1 to manu
16:17:46 <Ian> ..there is an issue that we want to talk about around payment instructions...it's earlier to make the architectural point though this doc.
16:17:59 <Ian> ...I'm saying let's get this in as a work item then refine it.
16:18:10 <Ian> ..the ask today is to bring it into the group and work on it as an ED ... it doesn't have to be high priority
16:18:18 <Ian> ack kep
16:18:28 <Ian> Kepeng: I think it's useful to have this document for newcomers
16:18:46 <Ian> ..also I suggest we can take some content from the Payment App Notes wiki.
16:18:50 <Ian> ...some of that might be useful here.
16:19:01 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/PaymentApp_Notes
16:19:11 <Ian> nicktr: From my perspective it feels like this is a useful document.
16:19:23 <Ian> ...my position it that it would be better if it reflected what we have today
16:19:34 <Ian> ...and we could use issue markers
16:19:46 <Ian> ...I'm also conscious that this went to the mailing list Friday
16:19:54 <manu> +1 to reflect what we have today - I can make those edits quickly, and put in issue markers for future direction.
16:19:58 <Ian> ..I think it would be great to take this up as a WG item as a Note.
16:20:10 <Ian> ..let's give the group a week to do that and then bring this back to the agenda next week.
16:20:18 <Ian> ...make sure it is clear that this Note exists as an explainer text
16:20:34 <Ian> ...let's put the question to the group next week.
16:20:41 <Ian> ..people can request changes to Manu over the next week.
16:20:55 <manu> W3C MIT - but can publish it anyway
16:21:08 <Ian> Nick: I"m keen to have this done before FTF, even if done by email
16:21:09 <ShaneM> +1 to CfC before F2F one way or another
16:21:13 <Ian> Topic: Payment Method Identifires
16:21:38 <Ian> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments-method-identifiers/issues/5