IRC log of i18n on 2016-06-09
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 09 June 2016
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0013.html
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
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- ScribeNick: aphillip
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- Scribe: Addison Phillips
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- Present+ Addison
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- Present+ Felix
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- Present+ Richard
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- Present+ Steve
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- Present+ JcK
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: Agenda
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- Topic: Action Items
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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- close action-520
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- Closed action-520.
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- actio-522?
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- action-522?
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- action-522 -- Addison Phillips to Html github issue 127 look into additional recommendations if any -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/522
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- did update
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- close action-522
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- Closed action-522.
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- action-526?
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- action-526 -- Richard Ishida to Provide note text to indicate that selection tools should take care in selecting boundaries -- due 2016-06-02 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/526
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- richard: didn't do, but think they have the text
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- close action-526
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- Closed action-526.
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- action-528?
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- action-528 -- Addison Phillips to Look into issue 123 and update as needed -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/528
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- created new html issue
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- close action-528
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- Closed action-528.
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- action-529?
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- action-529 -- Addison Phillips to Forward issue 122 to html -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/529
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- did that
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- close action-529
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- Closed action-529.
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- action-530?
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- action-530 -- Addison Phillips to Write to chairs@ with a note saying effectively "don't follow old lc model, giving us no time to react" -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/530
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- close action-530
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- Closed action-530.
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- close action-531
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- Closed action-531.
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- action-532?
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- action-532 -- Richard Ishida to Send a note to www-international asking for last call on deprecation of o-time and deprecate if no objection -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/532
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- close action-532
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- Closed action-532.
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- close action-533
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- Closed action-533.
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- Topic: Info Share
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- richard: note to chairs, brought up in global Staff
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- ... added staff contacts to org reviews earlier
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- ... labels
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- ... so we see thigns in other's issues lists
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- richard: wai asked about "magic labels"
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- felix: attended loc world workshop this week
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- http://locworld.localizationworl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTTProgram2016.pdf
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- felix: FEIGSGILT
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- ... link to program above
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- ... several interesting things
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- ... xliff om working on object model
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- ... transfer loc content from json
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- ... what we discussed a while ago
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- ... interop between diff formats
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- ... not just specific to i18n or l10n
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- https://www.w3.org/community/rax/
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- ... not throw away what theyve done
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- ... new CG related to that
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- ... many people in language processing
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- ... extract text, annotate, merge back
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- ... need workflow
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- http://fsasaki.github.io/stuff/feisgiltt2016/
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- felix: talk I gave in link above
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- ... xml, linked data
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- ... hides content specific in js method
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- ... metadata coordination would be useful
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- ... demo is web annotation
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- ... can put web annotation in
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- ... both xpath and offset based selectors demoed
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Topic: Radar
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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- steve: sent off 157
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- ... couldn't add tags, labels, subscribers
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- ... copied link into our github issue
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- steve: 158, added additional text proposal
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- ... others richard closed
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- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/158
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- If specified, the value must be a single grapheme: a string that contains a sequence of graphical Unicode code points. Typically, this sequence will contain a single Unicode code point, but there may be cases where multiple code points are needed to generate the single grapheme.
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- (discussion of whether there are keyboard keys that produce a sequence)
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- remove graphical
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- richard: issue is with term printable character
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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- richard: urgent review requests
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- phil archer and sandro hawke
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- addison: don't recall will double check
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- richard: example
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- क़ड़
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- Alt- and a keypress on hindi
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- U+0958 U+0958 DEVANAGARI LETTER QA
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- U+095C U+095C DEVANAGARI LETTER DDDHA
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- Alt+keystroke
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- क़ड़
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- U+0915 U+0915 DEVANAGARI LETTER KA
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- U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
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- U+0921 U+0921 DEVANAGARI LETTER DDA
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- U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, pointer?
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- See http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-irc#T15-33-18
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- agenda+ specdev developments ishida@w3.org Tuesday, 7 June 2016 agenda+ next steps for Encoding spec ishida@w3.org agenda+ timezone articles, discussion of comments
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- Topic: next steps of Encoding spec
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- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0015.html
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- richard: plh suggests publishing smaller snapshots
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- ... trying hard not to fork
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- ... sime things happening
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- s/sime/some
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- https://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-cr-doc2
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- richard: some substantive changes
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- ... may mean new CR needed?
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- ... mostly raised dec/jan
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- ... settling since
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- richard: have updated the tests
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- ... apart from the ones that deal with replacement encoding and utf-16
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- ... re-running tests
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- ... some areas of progress in browser support
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- ... figure out how to say where we have problems
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- ... for 2 implementations
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- ... a lot of times we need like one character fixed
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- ... or two that are same and one different
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- ... need a plan to bring attention of implementators to shortfalls
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- addison: mapping tables as errata?
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- https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en#zhhans
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- richard: a few more days to assemble data
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- ... working on it, may need to discuss with addision+plh
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- Topic: specdev developments
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- please read it :-)
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- need to look again
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- richard: did radical reorg
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- ... wanted to see if any major faux pas
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs?collapse
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- https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
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- These rewritten: Resources Blocks, paragraphs, or similar chunks of content
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- https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#sec_lang_decl
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- richard: to generate new material, went through issues we generated for web-annotation
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- ... "what can I write to make these less likely"
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- ... debrief after future reviews
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- file github issues
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- Topic: AOB?
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- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/474
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- http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
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- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/473
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- 122 and 123
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- A health warning should make mention of this. Otherwise users might be surprised when they enter a "local" wall time and it is later returned as a different date or time value because of the difference between local wall time and UTC.
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- rrsagent, set logs world
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- Regrets+ David
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- rrsagent, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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- zakim, bye
- 16:14:38 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Felix, Richard, Steve, JcK
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- Zakim has left #i18n
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see no action items