IRC log of i18n on 2016-06-09

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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 09 June 2016
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0013.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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Present+ Addison
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Present+ Felix
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Present+ Richard
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Present+ Steve
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Present+ JcK
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Topic: Agenda
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Topic: Action Items
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https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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close action-520
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Closed action-520.
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actio-522?
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action-522?
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action-522 -- Addison Phillips to Html github issue 127 look into additional recommendations if any -- due 2016-05-19 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/522
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did update
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close action-522
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Closed action-522.
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action-526?
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action-526 -- Richard Ishida to Provide note text to indicate that selection tools should take care in selecting boundaries -- due 2016-06-02 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/526
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richard: didn't do, but think they have the text
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close action-526
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Closed action-526.
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action-528?
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action-528 -- Addison Phillips to Look into issue 123 and update as needed -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/528
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created new html issue
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close action-528
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Closed action-528.
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action-529?
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action-529 -- Addison Phillips to Forward issue 122 to html -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/529
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did that
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close action-529
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Closed action-529.
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action-530?
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action-530 -- Addison Phillips to Write to chairs@ with a note saying effectively "don't follow old lc model, giving us no time to react" -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/530
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close action-530
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Closed action-530.
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close action-531
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Closed action-531.
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action-532?
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action-532 -- Richard Ishida to Send a note to www-international asking for last call on deprecation of o-time and deprecate if no objection -- due 2016-06-09 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/532
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close action-532
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Closed action-532.
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close action-533
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Closed action-533.
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Topic: Info Share
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: note to chairs, brought up in global Staff
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... added staff contacts to org reviews earlier
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... labels
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... so we see thigns in other's issues lists
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richard: wai asked about "magic labels"
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felix: attended loc world workshop this week
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http://locworld.localizationworl.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/FEISGILTTProgram2016.pdf
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felix: FEIGSGILT
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... link to program above
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... several interesting things
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... xliff om working on object model
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... transfer loc content from json
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... what we discussed a while ago
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... interop between diff formats
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... not just specific to i18n or l10n
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https://www.w3.org/community/rax/
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... not throw away what theyve done
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... new CG related to that
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... many people in language processing
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... extract text, annotate, merge back
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... need workflow
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http://fsasaki.github.io/stuff/feisgiltt2016/
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felix: talk I gave in link above
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... xml, linked data
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... hides content specific in js method
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... metadata coordination would be useful
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... demo is web annotation
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... can put web annotation in
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... both xpath and offset based selectors demoed
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Topic: Radar
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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steve: sent off 157
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... couldn't add tags, labels, subscribers
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... copied link into our github issue
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steve: 158, added additional text proposal
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... others richard closed
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https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/158
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If specified, the value must be a single grapheme: a string that contains a sequence of graphical Unicode code points. Typically, this sequence will contain a single Unicode code point, but there may be cases where multiple code points are needed to generate the single grapheme.
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(discussion of whether there are keyboard keys that produce a sequence)
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remove graphical
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richard: issue is with term printable character
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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richard: urgent review requests
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phil archer and sandro hawke
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addison: don't recall will double check
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richard: example
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क़ड़
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Alt- and a keypress on hindi
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U+0958 U+0958 DEVANAGARI LETTER QA
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U+095C U+095C DEVANAGARI LETTER DDDHA
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Alt+keystroke
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क़ड़
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U+0915 U+0915 DEVANAGARI LETTER KA
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U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
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U+0921 U+0921 DEVANAGARI LETTER DDA
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U+093C U+093C DEVANAGARI SIGN NUKTA
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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rrsagent, pointer?
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See http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-irc#T15-33-18
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agenda+ specdev developments ishida@w3.org Tuesday, 7 June 2016 agenda+ next steps for Encoding spec ishida@w3.org agenda+ timezone articles, discussion of comments
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Topic: next steps of Encoding spec
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Jun/0015.html
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richard: plh suggests publishing smaller snapshots
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... trying hard not to fork
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... sime things happening
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s/sime/some
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https://www.w3.org/International/docs/encoding/encoding-cr-doc2
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richard: some substantive changes
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... may mean new CR needed?
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... mostly raised dec/jan
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... settling since
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richard: have updated the tests
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... apart from the ones that deal with replacement encoding and utf-16
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... re-running tests
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... some areas of progress in browser support
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... figure out how to say where we have problems
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... for 2 implementations
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... a lot of times we need like one character fixed
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... or two that are same and one different
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... need a plan to bring attention of implementators to shortfalls
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addison: mapping tables as errata?
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https://www.w3.org/International/tests/repo/results/encoding-dbl-byte.en#zhhans
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richard: a few more days to assemble data
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... working on it, may need to discuss with addision+plh
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Topic: specdev developments
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please read it :-)
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need to look again
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richard: did radical reorg
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... wanted to see if any major faux pas
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/developing-specs?collapse
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https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/
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These rewritten: Resources Blocks, paragraphs, or similar chunks of content
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https://w3c.github.io/bp-i18n-specdev/#sec_lang_decl
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richard: to generate new material, went through issues we generated for web-annotation
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... "what can I write to make these less likely"
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... debrief after future reviews
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file github issues
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Topic: AOB?
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https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/474
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/reviews/
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https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/473
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122 and 123
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A health warning should make mention of this. Otherwise users might be surprised when they enter a "local" wall time and it is later returned as a different date or time value because of the difference between local wall time and UTC.
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rrsagent, set logs world
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Regrets+ David
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Felix, Richard, Steve, JcK
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rrsagent, bye
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I see no action items