IRC log of apa on 2016-06-01

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Zakim, this will be

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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 01 June 2016

15:38:53 [janina]

agenda?

15:38:59 [janina]

zakim, clear agenda

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agenda cleared

15:39:03 [janina]

agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes

15:39:03 [janina]

agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]

15:39:03 [janina]

agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8

15:39:03 [janina]

agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

15:39:04 [janina]

agenda+ RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement

15:39:06 [janina]

agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html

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agenda+ Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html

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agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ next and future meetings

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agenda+ be done

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zakim, next item

15:57:48 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]

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present+ Janina

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Chair: Janina

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present+ LJWatson

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present+ fesch

16:02:24 [JF]

Present+ JF

16:02:48 [ShaneM]

present+ ShaneM

16:04:08 [MichaelC]

present+ MichaelC

16:04:15 [janina]

zakim, pick a victim

16:04:15 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Janina

16:04:25 [janina]

zakim, pick a victim

16:04:25 [Zakim]

Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose fesch

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scribe: JF

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agenda?

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Zakim, take up item 1

16:05:10 [Zakim]

agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]

16:06:23 [JF]

JF: congrats to leonie for being elected to the AB

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zakim, take up next ite,m

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I don't understand 'take up next ite,m', JF

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 2. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]

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JS: hotel rooms seem to still be available, but book sooner rather than later

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zalim, take up next ite,m

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zakim, take up next item

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agendum 2 was just opened, JF

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zakim, close item 2

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agendum 2, TPAC 2016 Planning, closed

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I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is

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3. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 [from janina]

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zakim, take up next item

16:08:01 [Zakim]

agendum 3. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]

16:08:20 [MichaelC]

action-2049 due 1 week

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Set action-2049 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams due date to 2016-06-08.

16:08:21 [JF]

ACTION 2049

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action-2044

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action-2044 -- Léonie Watson to Review dom parsing and serialization https://www.w3.org/tr/dom-parsing/ -- due 2016-05-25 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2044

16:09:38 [JF]

action-2043

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action-2043 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2043

16:09:51 [MichaelC]

action-2043 due 1 week

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Set action-2043 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08.

16:09:58 [JF]

action-2042

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action-2042 -- Fred Esch to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2042

16:10:08 [JF]

action-2041

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action-2041 -- Léonie Watson to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2041

16:10:10 [MichaelC]

action-2042 due 1 week

16:10:10 [trackbot]

Set action-2042 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08.

16:10:12 [MichaelC]

action-2041 due 1 week

16:10:12 [trackbot]

Set action-2041 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-08.

16:10:24 [JF]

FE: this is going to have the same problem as other layout issues

16:11:04 [JF]

LJW: we decided to treat all CSS modules collectively

16:11:27 [JF]

MC: the CSS category page (in the wiki) has a note about this

16:11:42 [JF]

MC: should we close these actios and migrate to that group?

16:11:53 [JF]

JS: key is to generate the list of specific modules

16:12:00 [JF]

JS: think that was on Cyns

16:12:15 [JF]

we likely will need/want that the next time we meet with the CSS WG

16:12:35 [JF]

the issues we are seeing cut across multiple specs - it's not just the flex-box spec

16:13:00 [JF]

MC: will not this in the wiki, and close the 3 actions. Will need to triage that going forward

16:13:21 [JF]

Cyns: will work on that list shortly, and deliver soon

16:13:23 [MichaelC]

close action-2041

16:13:23 [trackbot]

Closed action-2041.

16:13:27 [MichaelC]

close action-2042

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Closed action-2042.

16:13:31 [MichaelC]

close action-20143

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Closed action-20143.

16:13:35 [MichaelC]

close action-2043

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Closed action-2043.

16:14:22 [JF]

JS: should also add the stub to the CSS AAM on the agenda page/emails

16:14:34 [JF]

action-2033

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action-2033 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope -- due 2016-05-11 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2033

16:14:47 [MichaelC]

action-2033 due 1 week

16:14:47 [trackbot]

Set action-2033 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope due date to 2016-06-08.

16:14:55 [JF]

action-2011

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action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN

16:14:55 [trackbot]

http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011

16:15:20 [MichaelC]

action-2011 due 1 week

16:15:20 [trackbot]

Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-08.

16:15:21 [JF]

JS: still waiting for Michiel for some code sample stuff

16:15:34 [JF]

LJW: please copy me when you ping Michiel

16:15:45 [JF]

action-1750

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action-1750 -- Cynthia Shelly to Review ui events -- due 2016-06-01 -- OPEN

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/1750

16:16:04 [MichaelC]

action-1750 due 1 week

16:16:04 [trackbot]

Set action-1750 Review ui events due date to 2016-06-08.

16:16:06 [JF]

Cyns: meeting scheduled with Travis later this week with feedback - hope to resolve within the week

16:16:49 [JF]

JS: didn't take a formal action to review the alt text advice - appears to be a clear improvement over 5.0

16:17:14 [JF]

JS: may need/want to do a more detailed review now that dPub is in

16:17:36 [JF]

zakim, take up next item

16:17:36 [Zakim]

agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]

16:17:41 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-core/ Activity Streams 2.0

16:18:27 [JF]

MC: assuming we are not interested?

16:18:40 [JF]

MC: "activity" seems very RDF-ish

16:19:44 [JF]

SM: was not aware of this - will go investigate, but not relevant to this WG

16:20:24 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/activitystreams-vocabulary/ Activity Vocabulary

16:21:11 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API

16:21:42 [JF]

JS: will take this and review. I care about this one a lot

16:21:46 [MichaelC]

action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API

16:21:46 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2050 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/audio-output/ audio output devices api [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-08].

16:22:16 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3

16:22:37 [JF]

FE: can give that to me, doubt there is anything but I will review

16:22:41 [MichaelC]

action: esch to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3

16:22:42 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2051 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-overflow-3/ css overflow module level 3 [on Fred Esch - due 2016-06-08].

16:23:07 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/image-capture/ MediaStream Image Capture

16:23:55 [JF]

JS: we can likely skip this

16:23:58 [JF]

JF: tend to agree

16:24:15 [JF]

MC: what we do with the resulting iimage is likely more in scope

16:24:28 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/vocab-ssn/ Semantic Sensor Network Ontology

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16:26:18 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM

16:27:13 [JF]

LJW: there are some accessibility implications on that - I've been watching it and so has Dylan B at Deque

16:27:28 [JF]

believe it is worth monitoring

16:27:37 [JF]

JS: what is the current status?

16:27:41 [JF]

MC: this is a draft

16:28:01 [JF]

LJW: still going through working draft - no timetable to move to CR

16:28:19 [JF]

Cyns: can look at this but will need some time

16:28:34 [JF]

SM: I don't have issues on this type of spec

16:28:56 [JF]

LJW: yes, aware of this "problem" and therer is an effort to de-tangle that

16:29:15 [JF]

JS: suggest we put this on a defered/watch list

16:29:18 [MichaelC]

action: cynthia to review https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM - due 1 Sep

16:29:18 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2052 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-09-01].

16:29:24 [JF]

CYNS: give to me with a late September due date

16:29:49 [MichaelC]

action-2052 due 31 Aug

16:29:50 [trackbot]

Set action-2052 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/shadow-dom/ shadow dom due date to 2016-08-31.

16:31:02 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials

16:31:19 [JF]

JF: sounds like a web payments thing

16:31:26 [JF]

SM: it is NOT a web payments thing

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ack left,

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Q?

16:32:38 [JF]

ack left, hand, neet, right

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Q?

16:33:11 [JF]

discussion around this - appears to be a duplication of effort

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Q?

16:33:43 [MichaelC]

q- l

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q- h

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q- n

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q- r

16:34:08 [JF]

MC: Shane is going to look at this

16:34:18 [JF]

SM: yes, this is very important - a11y issues can be huge

16:34:44 [MichaelC]

action: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials

16:34:44 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2053 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/webauthn/ web authentication: a web api for accessing scoped credentials [on Shane McCarron - due 2016-06-08].

16:35:12 [JF]

zakim, take up next item

16:35:12 [Zakim]

agendum 5. "RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement" taken up [from janina]

16:35:29 [JF]

JS: touched on this a bit last week, some editorial work has continued since then

16:36:31 [JF]

JW: some work has started, but not anticipating any comments before a CfC shold happen

16:37:26 [JF]

[people go off and read this]

16:37:42 [JF]

JS: any objection to moving this to a CfC?

16:37:57 [JF]

FE: what is HCI?

16:38:11 [JF]

JF: Human Computer Interface

16:38:35 [ShaneM]

+0 - don't mind

16:38:42 [JF]

JS: we should be consistent with acronyms

16:38:50 [JF]

JW: can make that editorial change

16:38:57 [JF]

+1 to moving forward

16:39:50 [JF]

RESOLUTION: Issue CfC RQTF Work Statement

16:40:15 [JF]

zakim, take up next item

16:40:15 [Zakim]

agendum 7. "Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html" taken up [from janina]

16:41:35 [JF]

provides methods on how to modify the DOM after it is loaded

16:41:57 [JF]

there is one method, "insert adjacent HTML" which allows HTML to be injected into the DOm after the page is loaded

16:42:15 [JF]

but we have an issue with CSS injecting something into the DOM - this may be related

16:42:34 [JF]

s/provides methods/FE: provides methods

16:42:53 [JF]

LJW: my understanding that CSS doesn't inject into the DOM

16:43:10 [JF]

JS: this may not be the CSS problem then, but it still may be an issue

16:43:39 [JF]

FE: wondering if this technique has an issue

16:43:57 [JF]

LJW: discussed with others, and as far as she knows this is pretty straight-forward

16:44:11 [JF]

it is simple DOM injection, and it updates the DOM on trigger

16:44:30 [JF]

CYNS: this is an older technique and we recommend it

16:44:42 [JF]

FE: sounds like many feel this is not a concern

16:44:47 [JF]

JS: seems to be...

16:44:48 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-minutes.html MichaelC

16:45:22 [JF]

FE: this was my only concern, but it sounds like it isn't

16:45:51 [MichaelC]

close action-2044

16:45:51 [trackbot]

Closed action-2044.

16:45:53 [MichaelC]

close action-2045

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Closed action-2045.

16:46:05 [JF]

zakim, take up next item

16:46:06 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "CSS -- Updates and Next Steps" taken up [from janina]

16:46:17 [JF]

agenda?

16:46:50 [JF]

TOPIC: Pointer Lock

16:47:15 [JF]

action-2023

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action-2023 -- Léonie Watson to John to ask Aaron for input on Pointer Lock https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerlock/ -- due 2016-05-18 -- CLOSED

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http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2023

16:48:08 [JF]

LJW: filed one issue against Pointer Lock spec

16:48:24 [JF]

based on first feedback from AiS

16:48:41 [JF]

LJW: found it difficult to create as issues to file against the spec

16:49:30 [JF]

JF: Leonie and I should work off-line to continue working with AiSquared

16:50:08 [JF]

JF: will target update for next week

16:50:16 [JF]

zakim, take up item8

16:50:16 [Zakim]

agendum 8. "CSS -- Updates and Next Steps" taken up [from janina]

16:50:19 [janina]

http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0058.html

16:50:44 [JF]

transission request

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want to clarify that we do not object to the publish, but requesting an updated CR and extension of time

16:51:42 [JF]

JS: also to note that the accessibility work was work-in-progress but NOT completed

16:52:20 [JF]

also to note that there is an express and explicit dependency on us

16:52:32 [JF]

need to coordinate a TF

16:53:27 [JF]

JS: think next step is to draft wrk statement

16:53:30 [JF]

CYNS: agreed

16:53:44 [JF]

MC: still need to get this statement written up

16:53:57 [JF]

JS: target to have this by next week?

16:54:04 [JF]

MC: hope so, but...

16:54:27 [JF]

CYNS: may not be here next week...

16:55:24 [JF]

JS: seems that's it then

16:55:30 [JF]

thanks all - meeting adjorned

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RRSAgent, make logs public

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trackbot, end meeting

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Zakim, list attendees

16:55:51 [Zakim]

As of this point the attendees have been JF, Janina, Joanmarie_Diggs, LJWatson, MichielBijl, fesch, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Judy, Shadi, Jason_White, ShaneM

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RRSAgent, please draft minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-minutes.html trackbot

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RRSAgent, bye

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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-actions.rdf :

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ACTION: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/audio-output/ Audio Output Devices API [1]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-21-46

16:56:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: esch to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-overflow-3/ CSS Overflow Module Level 3 [2]

16:56:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-22-41

16:56:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: cynthia to review https://www.w3.org/TR/shadow-dom/ Shadow DOM - due 1 Sep [3]

16:56:00 [RRSAgent]

recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-29-18

16:56:00 [RRSAgent]

ACTION: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/webauthn/ Web Authentication: A Web API for accessing scoped credentials [4]

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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/06/01-apa-irc#T16-34-44