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11:46:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
11:46:09 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
11:46:10 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:46:10 <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2016
11:46:51 <ivan> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160530
11:47:04 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Agenda for 2016-05-30: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160530
11:47:16 <ivan> Chair: Renaldo
11:47:20 <ivan> Chair: Renato
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11:56:46 <renato> trackbot, start meeting
11:56:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
11:56:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
11:56:50 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
11:56:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Permissions and Obligations Expression Working Group Teleconference
11:56:51 <trackbot> Date: 30 May 2016
11:57:04 <renato> RRSAgent, make logs public
11:57:13 <renato> Chair: Renato
11:57:29 <renato> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160530
11:57:42 <renato> regrets+ PhilA
11:57:48 <renato> regrets+ Ben
11:58:48 <michaelS> present+ michaelS
11:59:01 <ivan> Present+ ivan
11:59:14 <renato> present+ renato
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12:04:28 <renato> Hi Serana...will you call in?
12:04:35 <renato> Serena
12:05:55 <Serena> Hi Renato, I've to wait to finish another meeting, I hope to be able to join asap
12:06:07 <renato> ok
12:06:18 <Serena> I keep an eye on IRC in the meantime
12:07:14 <sabrina> present+ sabrina
12:08:09 <renato> Scribe: sabrina
12:08:21 <ivan> scribenick: sabrina
12:08:24 <sabrina> 1st item approve the last minutes
12:08:30 <renato> https://www.w3.org/2016/05/23-poe-minutes
12:08:50 <michaelS> +1
12:09:04 <sabrina> no issues with the last minutes, therefore they are assumed to be approved
12:09:13 <sabrina> main agenda item is the use case update
12:09:24 <Serena> present+ Serena
12:09:32 <sabrina> Michael provides an update
12:09:38 <michaelS> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Use_Cases has been updated by 8 UCs
12:10:08 <sabrina> we have gone from 8 use cases to 16
12:10:30 <sabrina> these were added by Ben and at first glance appear easy to process
12:11:00 <sabrina> reminder that we set a due date of the 6th of June as the last date for adding use cases for this round of requirements
12:11:33 <sabrina> Ivan highlighted that there may be an issue with this date
12:12:15 <sabrina> both Michael and Ivan to follow up with ?
12:12:36 <renato> BSIG
12:13:05 <sabrina> Maybe they can be added to the 2nd round if BSIG don't get the use cases in
12:13:11 <ivan> s/BSIG/Book Industry Study Group (BISG)/
12:13:11 <sabrina> by the 6th of June
12:13:13 <michaelS> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-poe-wg/2016May/0003.html - discussion about requirements editing process
12:13:29 <ivan> s/?/Book Industry Study Group (BISG)/
12:13:56 <sabrina> Michael also sent an email to the members list
12:14:52 <sabrina> The requirements need to be discussed, ordered and finalised by the 27th June
12:15:12 <sabrina> Final publishing will be the week commencing the 4th of July
12:15:35 <sabrina> Renato: will the extra usecases have an impact?
12:15:57 <sabrina> Michael: Bens use cases typically only have 2 or 3 requirements
12:16:13 <sabrina> So
12:16:38 <sabrina> Michael recommends that everyone watches the open actions
12:17:28 <sabrina> Renato: Sounds like a sound plan, however we need to schedule some discussion time around the use cases and requirements
12:17:54 <sabrina> i.e. discuss the relative merits of the requirements
12:18:34 <sabrina> Michael: It will not be possible to deliver the document easlier, therefore we can only finalise the requirements the week of the 20th
12:18:49 <sabrina> This only leaves one week for discussion
12:19:01 <sabrina> One option would be to have a longer call that week
12:19:23 <sabrina> Ivan: Perhaps we could have a virtual face to face
12:19:55 <michaelS> https://www.w3.org/2016/poe/wiki/Requirements
12:20:00 <sabrina> Renato: we could potentially start the discussion before the document has been completed
12:20:20 <sabrina> Michael: Looking at the requirements document....
12:20:40 <sabrina> How should we structure items that appear in two categories
12:21:16 <sabrina> Renato: Requirements that impact the model and the vocabulary could be categorised into multiple categories
12:21:40 <sabrina> Renato: any other comments, questions, progress?
12:21:52 <sabrina> no....
12:22:19 <sabrina> Renato: AOB
12:22:26 <sabrina> TPAC
12:22:39 <sabrina> Who is coming and who is not coming?
12:23:46 <sabrina> Renato: calls the meeting to an end
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12:25:48 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:25:48 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/30-poe-minutes.html ivan
12:25:54 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
12:25:54 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
12:25:54 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been michaelS, ivan, renato, sabrina, Serena
12:26:02 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
12:26:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/30-poe-minutes.html trackbot
12:26:03 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
12:26:03 <RRSAgent> I see no action items