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15:40:29 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:40:29 <trackbot> Date: 25 May 2016
15:40:32 <janina> agenda?
15:40:38 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:40:38 <janina> agenda+ RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement
15:40:41 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
15:40:44 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
15:40:46 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:40:49 <janina> agenda+ HTML 5.1 Review Discussion [See Below]
15:40:51 <janina> agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html
15:40:54 <janina> agenda+ Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html
15:40:57 <janina> agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps
15:41:00 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:41:02 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings
15:41:05 <janina> agenda+ be done
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15:49:44 <janina>  /me One moment, Michiel ...
15:51:52 <MichielBijl> MichielBijl has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 25 May at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439, WebEx URL: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf439584d181075a804580b9894ce6c1d
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15:57:03 <janina> Chair: Janina
15:57:17 <janina> zakim, next item
15:57:17 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
15:58:21 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
15:59:05 <LJWatson> present+ LJWatson
15:59:18 <MichielBijl> present+ MichielBijl
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16:02:34 <MichielBijl> JS: We are charted to create task force
16:02:45 <MichielBijl> JS: We will take a look at HTML 5.1 to review
16:02:51 <MichielBijl> JS: Some CSS stuff we need to review
16:02:59 <MichielBijl> JS: Thanks all for being on time
16:03:07 <JF> agenda?
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16:03:43 <MichielBijl> JS: Any items of interest?
16:04:06 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0050.html
16:04:16 <MichielBijl> LW: We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?
16:05:10 <LJWatson> s/We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?/We plan to send the CFC to put HTML5.1 into CR, on 2nd June/
16:05:29 <MichielBijl> MB: Interesting project: DictationBridge, they need funding: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge/
16:05:31 <janina> zakim, next item
16:05:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement" taken up [from janina]
16:05:35 <Judy> Judy has joined #apa
16:05:52 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement
16:05:52 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
16:05:57 <MichielBijl> JS: Several of us have been working on that statement
16:06:03 <MichielBijl> JS: We are not ready for CfC
16:06:12 <MichielBijl> JS But expect to put one out very soon
16:06:21 <MichielBijl> JS: Want to take couple minutes to get people familiar with it
16:07:36 <Judy> present+ Judy
16:07:37 <MichielBijl> JS: We are looking for two co-facilitators
16:07:53 <MichielBijl> JS: We do need people to look at the work statement
16:08:04 <MichielBijl> JS: When people are satisfied we can move to cfc
16:08:21 <MichielBijl> JD: Nothing to add, but happy to answer questions!
16:08:32 <MichielBijl> JS: Any questions?
16:08:32 <Judy> s/JD/JB/
16:09:11 <MichielBijl> MC: Small group of us have been working on getting the task force moving
16:09:36 <MichielBijl> MC: is it clear how this task force will help?
16:09:45 <MichielBijl> GZ: I'm quite interested
16:09:55 <MichielBijl> GZ: Have to consider if I can handle on top of current work load
16:10:12 <LJWatson> q+
16:10:13 <MichielBijl> GZ: Crucial to get connected to other groups
16:10:49 <MichielBijl> JS: We have named groups we hope to draw from
16:11:07 <MichielBijl> JS: We may be looking for people that are not yet active in W3C
16:11:31 <JF> Q+
16:11:57 <MichielBijl> JS: Yes, we have space reserved at TPAC
16:13:15 <MichaelC> q+ to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to
16:13:27 <Gottfried> Young Researchers' Consortium at ICCHP in Linz: http://www.icchp.org/yrc-16
16:13:46 <MichielBijl> JW: TF that can take those questions
16:13:53 <MichielBijl> JW: Questions that are refined within the WG
16:14:09 <MichielBijl> JW: Bring in the knowledge and resources of the research community
16:14:41 <janina> ack l
16:14:49 <MichielBijl> ack LJWatson
16:14:59 <MichielBijl> JW: This feels like a sub team of APA
16:15:17 <MichielBijl> JW: My understanding is that a TF is a collaboration between WG's
16:15:23 <MichielBijl> JB: Not really
16:15:28 <MichielBijl> MC: Not a requirement
16:16:10 <MichielBijl> LW: Will we collaborate with WAI IG?
16:16:46 <MichielBijl> JB: Majority of TF are under a single WG.
16:17:16 <MichielBijl> JB: My suggestion is to help find how separate issues get elevated through the IG.
16:17:27 <MichielBijl> JB: Just my first thoughts.
16:17:54 <MichielBijl> JW: It is understood that there is an established liaison with the chair.
16:17:55 <janina> ack jf
16:18:09 <MichielBijl> JF: Outside of APA where are the research question coming from?
16:18:22 <MichielBijl> JF: Any place where the general population can submit these questions?
16:18:43 <MichielBijl> JF: This feels like something we should collaborate with outreach and education on
16:19:01 <MichielBijl> JB: Think that is an interesting observation
16:19:06 <MichaelC> q+ to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to
16:19:08 <MichielBijl> JB: Try to keep footprint within APA
16:19:26 <MichielBijl> JB: Also to keep scope to results of APA
16:19:52 <MichaelC> q+ to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do
16:19:53 <janina> ack mi
16:19:54 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to and to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work
16:19:54 <Zakim> ... obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to and to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do
16:20:48 <JF> Q+ to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?
16:21:07 <janina> q?
16:21:20 <MichielBijl> MC: we need to keep focused on what we can deliver
16:21:35 <MichielBijl> MC: There is only so much the people of the WG can do
16:21:58 <JF> ack jf
16:21:58 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?
16:22:19 <janina> ack jf
16:22:36 <MichielBijl> JF: Are you looking for people to join this TF now?
16:22:44 <MichielBijl> JS: Little too early to join
16:22:54 <MichielBijl> JS: Not too early to socialise
16:22:58 <MichielBijl> JS: We need to make changes
16:23:34 <janina> q?
16:24:20 <janina> zakim, next item
16:24:20 <Zakim> agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
16:24:50 <MichielBijl> JS: We will expect hotels to fill up quicky
16:25:07 <MichielBijl> JS: Early reservation are advisable.
16:25:53 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
16:26:01 <MichielBijl> JS: APA is meeting Monday and Tuesday.
16:28:15 <janina> zakim, next item
16:28:15 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
16:29:00 <MichielBijl> JS: There is an agenda item coming up for that
16:29:07 <MichielBijl> MC: Skip that for now
16:29:19 <MichielBijl> MC: Some pending review show up here for some reason
16:29:29 <MichielBijl> MC: Three reviews on CSS positioning stuff
16:29:50 <MichielBijl> FE: In the introduction they talk about moving elements independent from DOM order
16:29:58 <MichielBijl> FE: to do with Flexbox and Grid Layout
16:30:48 <MichaelC> http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html
16:33:00 <MichielBijl> MC: In the meantime, are we deferring these?
16:33:05 <MichielBijl> JS: Come back to them in a week?
16:33:36 <MichielBijl> CS: Give me an action
16:33:41 <MichielBijl> CS: For the ordering
16:33:52 <MichaelC> action: cynthia to add headings for ordering in CSS AAM http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html
16:33:53 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2046 - Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-06-01].
16:34:05 <MichielBijl> MC: Might've to do it as PR
16:34:14 <MichaelC> action-2041 due 1 week
16:34:14 <trackbot> Set action-2041 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
16:34:18 <MichaelC> action-2042 due 1 week
16:34:18 <trackbot> Set action-2042 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
16:34:22 <MichaelC> action-2043 due 1 week
16:34:22 <trackbot> Set action-2043 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
16:34:44 <MichaelC> action-2037 due 2 weeks
16:34:44 <trackbot> Set action-2037 Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/selection-api/ selection api due date to 2016-06-08.
16:34:49 <MichielBijl> JD: Need couple weeks
16:35:22 <MichaelC> close action-2028
16:35:22 <trackbot> Closed action-2028.
16:35:52 <MichaelC> close action-2023
16:35:52 <trackbot> Closed action-2023.
16:36:17 <MichaelC> action-2011 due 1 week
16:36:17 <trackbot> Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-01.
16:36:24 <janina> zakim, next item
16:36:24 <Zakim> agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:36:48 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/ CSS Grid Layout Module Level 1
16:38:21 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-cascade-3/ CSS Cascading and Inheritance Level 3
16:39:20 <MichielBijl> JS: Anyone thing we need to read this?
16:40:40 <MichielBijl> MB: Need to review Grid Layout
16:40:46 <MichielBijl> MC: Want to take that up?
16:40:48 <MichielBijl> MB: Sure
16:40:58 <MichaelC> action: Michiel to review CSS Grid Layout https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/
16:40:58 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2047 - Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-06-01].
16:42:12 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2)
16:42:25 <MichielBijl> JF: Vaguely recall there being a concern there.
16:43:11 <MichielBijl> JS: Not sure we need to dive in WD, but need to look at it at some point.
16:43:19 <MichaelC> action: foliot to review https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2) - due 30 June
16:43:19 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2048 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) [on John Foliot - due 2016-06-30].
16:44:06 <MichaelC> action-2048 due 29 June
16:44:06 <trackbot> Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-06-29.
16:44:18 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams
16:44:32 <MichielBijl> MC: Published year ago last
16:44:33 <MichaelC> action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams
16:44:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2049 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-01].
16:44:35 <MichielBijl> JS: Give it to me
16:45:09 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/TR/webrtc-stats/ Identifiers for WebRTC's Statistics API
16:45:38 <janina> zakim, next item
16:45:38 <Zakim> agendum 6. "HTML 5.1 Review Discussion" taken up [from See Below]
16:46:38 <MichielBijl> JS: Let's open the floor to specific questions
16:46:51 <LJWatson> http://w3c.github.io/html/changes.html#changes
16:46:53 <MichielBijl> LW: Can give rundown of changes
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16:50:36 <LJWatson> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Should+be+deprecated%3F%22
16:51:39 <MichielBijl> LW: There is a lively discussion about type attribute on unordered lists
16:51:45 <LJWatson> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341
16:53:11 <MichielBijl> s/unordered/ordered/
16:54:45 <MichielBijl> LW: Reason to keep is that the style can be referenced in content
16:54:46 <LJWatson> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/273
16:55:05 <MichielBijl> LW: There has been a suggestion to allow nested headers/footers
16:55:25 <MichielBijl> LW: Steve Faulkner and Michiel Bijl have already commented that they think it's not a good idea
16:55:31 <MichielBijl> LW: Any comments from this group are welcome
16:55:40 <LJWatson> https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/223
16:56:09 <MichielBijl> LW: issue regarding dropping showModalDialog API
16:58:38 <MichielBijl> LW: ARIA in HTML is the spec stuff.
17:02:05 <MichielBijl> LW: Could I request you Janina to reply to our request for review?
17:02:08 <MichielBijl> JS: yes!
17:05:06 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:05:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
17:05:42 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
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17:07:28 <MichielBijl> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:07:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
17:39:06 <LJWatson> Glad you filed it. Will hopefully get it in before the cutoof next week :)
17:40:09 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop