IRC log of apa on 2016-05-25
Timestamps are in UTC.
- 15:40:24 [RRSAgent]
- RRSAgent has joined #apa
- 15:40:24 [RRSAgent]
- logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-irc
- 15:40:26 [trackbot]
- RRSAgent, make logs world
- 15:40:26 [Zakim]
- Zakim has joined #apa
- 15:40:28 [trackbot]
- Zakim, this will be
- 15:40:28 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
- 15:40:29 [trackbot]
- Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
- 15:40:29 [trackbot]
- Date: 25 May 2016
- 15:40:32 [janina]
- agenda?
- 15:40:38 [janina]
- agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
- 15:40:38 [janina]
- agenda+ RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement
- 15:40:41 [janina]
- agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]
- 15:40:44 [janina]
- agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8
- 15:40:46 [janina]
- agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
- 15:40:49 [janina]
- agenda+ HTML 5.1 Review Discussion [See Below]
- 15:40:51 [janina]
- agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html
- 15:40:54 [janina]
- agenda+ Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html
- 15:40:57 [janina]
- agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps
- 15:41:00 [janina]
- agenda+ Other Business
- 15:41:02 [janina]
- agenda+ next and future meetings
- 15:41:05 [janina]
- agenda+ be done
- 15:44:58 [LJWatson]
- LJWatson has joined #apa
- 15:49:44 [janina]
- /me One moment, Michiel ...
- 15:51:52 [MichielBijl]
- MichielBijl has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 25 May at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439, WebEx URL: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf439584d181075a804580b9894ce6c1d
- 15:56:14 [JF]
- JF has joined #apa
- 15:56:22 [JF]
- Present+ JF
- 15:56:34 [MichielBijl]
- scribe: MichielBijl
- 15:56:57 [janina]
- present+ Janina
- 15:57:03 [janina]
- Chair: Janina
- 15:57:17 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 15:57:17 [Zakim]
- agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
- 15:58:21 [joanie]
- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
- 15:59:05 [LJWatson]
- present+ LJWatson
- 15:59:18 [MichielBijl]
- present+ MichielBijl
- 16:00:00 [Gottfried]
- Gottfried has joined #apa
- 16:00:25 [fesch]
- fesch has joined #apa
- 16:00:42 [fesch]
- present+ fesch
- 16:01:46 [shadi]
- shadi has joined #APA
- 16:02:30 [MichaelC]
- present+ MichaelC
- 16:02:34 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We are charted to create task force
- 16:02:45 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We will take a look at HTML 5.1 to review
- 16:02:51 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Some CSS stuff we need to review
- 16:02:59 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Thanks all for being on time
- 16:03:07 [JF]
- agenda?
- 16:03:12 [Rich]
- Rich has joined #apa
- 16:03:43 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Any items of interest?
- 16:04:06 [MichaelC]
- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0050.html
- 16:04:16 [MichielBijl]
- LW: We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?
- 16:05:10 [LJWatson]
- s/We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?/We plan to send the CFC to put HTML5.1 into CR, on 2nd June/
- 16:05:29 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Interesting project: DictationBridge, they need funding: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge/
- 16:05:31 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 16:05:31 [Zakim]
- agendum 2. "RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement" taken up [from janina]
- 16:05:35 [Judy]
- Judy has joined #apa
- 16:05:52 [janina]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement
- 16:05:52 [Rich]
- present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
- 16:05:57 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Several of us have been working on that statement
- 16:06:03 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We are not ready for CfC
- 16:06:12 [MichielBijl]
- JS But expect to put one out very soon
- 16:06:21 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Want to take couple minutes to get people familiar with it
- 16:07:36 [Judy]
- present+ Judy
- 16:07:37 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We are looking for two co-facilitators
- 16:07:53 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We do need people to look at the work statement
- 16:08:04 [MichielBijl]
- JS: When people are satisfied we can move to cfc
- 16:08:21 [MichielBijl]
- JD: Nothing to add, but happy to answer questions!
- 16:08:32 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Any questions?
- 16:08:32 [Judy]
- s/JD/JB/
- 16:09:11 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Small group of us have been working on getting the task force moving
- 16:09:36 [MichielBijl]
- MC: is it clear how this task force will help?
- 16:09:45 [MichielBijl]
- GZ: I'm quite interested
- 16:09:55 [MichielBijl]
- GZ: Have to consider if I can handle on top of current work load
- 16:10:12 [LJWatson]
- q+
- 16:10:13 [MichielBijl]
- GZ: Crucial to get connected to other groups
- 16:10:49 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We have named groups we hope to draw from
- 16:11:07 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We may be looking for people that are not yet active in W3C
- 16:11:31 [JF]
- Q+
- 16:11:57 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Yes, we have space reserved at TPAC
- 16:13:15 [MichaelC]
- q+ to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to
- 16:13:27 [Gottfried]
- Young Researchers' Consortium at ICCHP in Linz: http://www.icchp.org/yrc-16
- 16:13:46 [MichielBijl]
- JW: TF that can take those questions
- 16:13:53 [MichielBijl]
- JW: Questions that are refined within the WG
- 16:14:09 [MichielBijl]
- JW: Bring in the knowledge and resources of the research community
- 16:14:41 [janina]
- ack l
- 16:14:49 [MichielBijl]
- ack LJWatson
- 16:14:59 [MichielBijl]
- JW: This feels like a sub team of APA
- 16:15:17 [MichielBijl]
- JW: My understanding is that a TF is a collaboration between WG's
- 16:15:23 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Not really
- 16:15:28 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Not a requirement
- 16:16:10 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Will we collaborate with WAI IG?
- 16:16:46 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Majority of TF are under a single WG.
- 16:17:16 [MichielBijl]
- JB: My suggestion is to help find how separate issues get elevated through the IG.
- 16:17:27 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Just my first thoughts.
- 16:17:54 [MichielBijl]
- JW: It is understood that there is an established liaison with the chair.
- 16:17:55 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:18:09 [MichielBijl]
- JF: Outside of APA where are the research question coming from?
- 16:18:22 [MichielBijl]
- JF: Any place where the general population can submit these questions?
- 16:18:43 [MichielBijl]
- JF: This feels like something we should collaborate with outreach and education on
- 16:19:01 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Think that is an interesting observation
- 16:19:06 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to
- 16:19:08 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Try to keep footprint within APA
- 16:19:26 [MichielBijl]
- JB: Also to keep scope to results of APA
- 16:19:52 [MichaelC]
- q+ to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do
- 16:19:53 [janina]
- ack mi
- 16:19:54 [Zakim]
- MichaelC, you wanted to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to and to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work
- 16:19:54 [Zakim]
- ... obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to and to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do
- 16:20:48 [JF]
- Q+ to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?
- 16:21:07 [janina]
- q?
- 16:21:20 [MichielBijl]
- MC: we need to keep focused on what we can deliver
- 16:21:35 [MichielBijl]
- MC: There is only so much the people of the WG can do
- 16:21:58 [JF]
- ack jf
- 16:21:58 [Zakim]
- JF, you wanted to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?
- 16:22:19 [janina]
- ack jf
- 16:22:36 [MichielBijl]
- JF: Are you looking for people to join this TF now?
- 16:22:44 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Little too early to join
- 16:22:54 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Not too early to socialise
- 16:22:58 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We need to make changes
- 16:23:34 [janina]
- q?
- 16:24:20 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 16:24:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]
- 16:24:50 [MichielBijl]
- JS: We will expect hotels to fill up quicky
- 16:25:07 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Early reservation are advisable.
- 16:25:53 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016
- 16:26:01 [MichielBijl]
- JS: APA is meeting Monday and Tuesday.
- 16:28:15 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 16:28:15 [Zakim]
- agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]
- 16:29:00 [MichielBijl]
- JS: There is an agenda item coming up for that
- 16:29:07 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Skip that for now
- 16:29:19 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Some pending review show up here for some reason
- 16:29:29 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Three reviews on CSS positioning stuff
- 16:29:50 [MichielBijl]
- FE: In the introduction they talk about moving elements independent from DOM order
- 16:29:58 [MichielBijl]
- FE: to do with Flexbox and Grid Layout
- 16:30:48 [MichaelC]
- http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html
- 16:33:00 [MichielBijl]
- MC: In the meantime, are we deferring these?
- 16:33:05 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Come back to them in a week?
- 16:33:36 [MichielBijl]
- CS: Give me an action
- 16:33:41 [MichielBijl]
- CS: For the ordering
- 16:33:52 [MichaelC]
- action: cynthia to add headings for ordering in CSS AAM http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html
- 16:33:53 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2046 - Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-06-01].
- 16:34:05 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Might've to do it as PR
- 16:34:14 [MichaelC]
- action-2041 due 1 week
- 16:34:14 [trackbot]
- Set action-2041 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
- 16:34:18 [MichaelC]
- action-2042 due 1 week
- 16:34:18 [trackbot]
- Set action-2042 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
- 16:34:22 [MichaelC]
- action-2043 due 1 week
- 16:34:22 [trackbot]
- Set action-2043 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.
- 16:34:44 [MichaelC]
- action-2037 due 2 weeks
- 16:34:44 [trackbot]
- Set action-2037 Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/selection-api/ selection api due date to 2016-06-08.
- 16:34:49 [MichielBijl]
- JD: Need couple weeks
- 16:35:22 [MichaelC]
- close action-2028
- 16:35:22 [trackbot]
- Closed action-2028.
- 16:35:52 [MichaelC]
- close action-2023
- 16:35:52 [trackbot]
- Closed action-2023.
- 16:36:17 [MichaelC]
- action-2011 due 1 week
- 16:36:17 [trackbot]
- Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-01.
- 16:36:24 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 16:36:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
- 16:36:48 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/ CSS Grid Layout Module Level 1
- 16:38:21 [MichaelC]
- -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-cascade-3/ CSS Cascading and Inheritance Level 3
- 16:39:20 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Anyone thing we need to read this?
- 16:40:40 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Need to review Grid Layout
- 16:40:46 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Want to take that up?
- 16:40:48 [MichielBijl]
- MB: Sure
- 16:40:58 [MichaelC]
- action: Michiel to review CSS Grid Layout https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/
- 16:40:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2047 - Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-06-01].
- 16:42:12 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2)
- 16:42:25 [MichielBijl]
- JF: Vaguely recall there being a concern there.
- 16:43:11 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Not sure we need to dive in WD, but need to look at it at some point.
- 16:43:19 [MichaelC]
- action: foliot to review https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2) - due 30 June
- 16:43:19 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2048 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) [on John Foliot - due 2016-06-30].
- 16:44:06 [MichaelC]
- action-2048 due 29 June
- 16:44:06 [trackbot]
- Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-06-29.
- 16:44:18 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams
- 16:44:32 [MichielBijl]
- MC: Published year ago last
- 16:44:33 [MichaelC]
- action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams
- 16:44:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-2049 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-01].
- 16:44:35 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Give it to me
- 16:45:09 [MichaelC]
- https://www.w3.org/TR/webrtc-stats/ Identifiers for WebRTC's Statistics API
- 16:45:38 [janina]
- zakim, next item
- 16:45:38 [Zakim]
- agendum 6. "HTML 5.1 Review Discussion" taken up [from See Below]
- 16:46:38 [MichielBijl]
- JS: Let's open the floor to specific questions
- 16:46:51 [LJWatson]
- http://w3c.github.io/html/changes.html#changes
- 16:46:53 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Can give rundown of changes
- 16:48:33 [cyns]
- cyns has joined #APA
- 16:50:36 [LJWatson]
- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Should+be+deprecated%3F%22
- 16:51:39 [MichielBijl]
- LW: There is a lively discussion about type attribute on unordered lists
- 16:51:45 [LJWatson]
- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341
- 16:53:11 [MichielBijl]
- s/unordered/ordered/
- 16:54:45 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Reason to keep is that the style can be referenced in content
- 16:54:46 [LJWatson]
- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/273
- 16:55:05 [MichielBijl]
- LW: There has been a suggestion to allow nested headers/footers
- 16:55:25 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Steve Faulkner and Michiel Bijl have already commented that they think it's not a good idea
- 16:55:31 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Any comments from this group are welcome
- 16:55:40 [LJWatson]
- https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/223
- 16:56:09 [MichielBijl]
- LW: issue regarding dropping showModalDialog API
- 16:58:38 [MichielBijl]
- LW: ARIA in HTML is the spec stuff.
- 17:02:05 [MichielBijl]
- LW: Could I request you Janina to reply to our request for review?
- 17:02:08 [MichielBijl]
- JS: yes!
- 17:05:06 [MichielBijl]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:05:06 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
- 17:05:42 [MichaelC]
- rrsagent, make log world
- 17:06:26 [MichielBijl]
- present+ Shadi
- 17:07:08 [MichielBijl]
- present+ Jason_White
- 17:07:28 [MichielBijl]
- RRSAgent, make minutes
- 17:07:28 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl
- 17:39:06 [LJWatson]
- Glad you filed it. Will hopefully get it in before the cutoof next week :)
- 17:40:09 [joanie]
- RRSAgent, stop