IRC log of apa on 2016-05-25

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Zakim, this will be

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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot

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Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference

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Date: 25 May 2016

15:40:32 [janina]

agenda?

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agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes

15:40:38 [janina]

agenda+ RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement

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agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below]

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agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8

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agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html

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agenda+ HTML 5.1 Review Discussion [See Below]

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agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html

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agenda+ Action-2045 DOM Parsing & Serialization http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0044.html

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agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps

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agenda+ Other Business

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agenda+ next and future meetings

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agenda+ be done

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/me One moment, Michiel ...

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MichielBijl has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday 25 May at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439, WebEx URL: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf439584d181075a804580b9894ce6c1d

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Present+ JF

15:56:34 [MichielBijl]

scribe: MichielBijl

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present+ Janina

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Chair: Janina

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agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]

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16:02:30 [MichaelC]

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16:02:34 [MichielBijl]

JS: We are charted to create task force

16:02:45 [MichielBijl]

JS: We will take a look at HTML 5.1 to review

16:02:51 [MichielBijl]

JS: Some CSS stuff we need to review

16:02:59 [MichielBijl]

JS: Thanks all for being on time

16:03:07 [JF]

agenda?

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JS: Any items of interest?

16:04:06 [MichaelC]

agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016May/0050.html

16:04:16 [MichielBijl]

LW: We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?

16:05:10 [LJWatson]

s/We want to send out CfC for HTML 5.1 on 2nd of June?/We plan to send the CFC to put HTML5.1 into CR, on 2nd June/

16:05:29 [MichielBijl]

MB: Interesting project: DictationBridge, they need funding: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/dictationbridge/

16:05:31 [janina]

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agendum 2. "RQTF Formation https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement" taken up [from janina]

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https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/work-statement

16:05:52 [Rich]

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16:05:57 [MichielBijl]

JS: Several of us have been working on that statement

16:06:03 [MichielBijl]

JS: We are not ready for CfC

16:06:12 [MichielBijl]

JS But expect to put one out very soon

16:06:21 [MichielBijl]

JS: Want to take couple minutes to get people familiar with it

16:07:36 [Judy]

present+ Judy

16:07:37 [MichielBijl]

JS: We are looking for two co-facilitators

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JS: We do need people to look at the work statement

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JS: When people are satisfied we can move to cfc

16:08:21 [MichielBijl]

JD: Nothing to add, but happy to answer questions!

16:08:32 [MichielBijl]

JS: Any questions?

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s/JD/JB/

16:09:11 [MichielBijl]

MC: Small group of us have been working on getting the task force moving

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MC: is it clear how this task force will help?

16:09:45 [MichielBijl]

GZ: I'm quite interested

16:09:55 [MichielBijl]

GZ: Have to consider if I can handle on top of current work load

16:10:12 [LJWatson]

q+

16:10:13 [MichielBijl]

GZ: Crucial to get connected to other groups

16:10:49 [MichielBijl]

JS: We have named groups we hope to draw from

16:11:07 [MichielBijl]

JS: We may be looking for people that are not yet active in W3C

16:11:31 [JF]

Q+

16:11:57 [MichielBijl]

JS: Yes, we have space reserved at TPAC

16:13:15 [MichaelC]

q+ to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to

16:13:27 [Gottfried]

Young Researchers' Consortium at ICCHP in Linz: http://www.icchp.org/yrc-16

16:13:46 [MichielBijl]

JW: TF that can take those questions

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JW: Questions that are refined within the WG

16:14:09 [MichielBijl]

JW: Bring in the knowledge and resources of the research community

16:14:41 [janina]

ack l

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ack LJWatson

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JW: This feels like a sub team of APA

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JW: My understanding is that a TF is a collaboration between WG's

16:15:23 [MichielBijl]

JB: Not really

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MC: Not a requirement

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LW: Will we collaborate with WAI IG?

16:16:46 [MichielBijl]

JB: Majority of TF are under a single WG.

16:17:16 [MichielBijl]

JB: My suggestion is to help find how separate issues get elevated through the IG.

16:17:27 [MichielBijl]

JB: Just my first thoughts.

16:17:54 [MichielBijl]

JW: It is understood that there is an established liaison with the chair.

16:17:55 [janina]

ack jf

16:18:09 [MichielBijl]

JF: Outside of APA where are the research question coming from?

16:18:22 [MichielBijl]

JF: Any place where the general population can submit these questions?

16:18:43 [MichielBijl]

JF: This feels like something we should collaborate with outreach and education on

16:19:01 [MichielBijl]

JB: Think that is an interesting observation

16:19:06 [MichaelC]

q+ to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to

16:19:08 [MichielBijl]

JB: Try to keep footprint within APA

16:19:26 [MichielBijl]

JB: Also to keep scope to results of APA

16:19:52 [MichaelC]

q+ to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do

16:19:53 [janina]

ack mi

16:19:54 [Zakim]

MichaelC, you wanted to mention W4A also had a young researchers track; think that and ICCHP are good communities to reach out to and to say as a TF of a WG RQTF has work

16:19:54 [Zakim]

... obligations which participants from an IG might be less tied to and to say love to collect research questions but have to keep focus on what available participants can do

16:20:48 [JF]

Q+ to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?

16:21:07 [janina]

q?

16:21:20 [MichielBijl]

MC: we need to keep focused on what we can deliver

16:21:35 [MichielBijl]

MC: There is only so much the people of the WG can do

16:21:58 [JF]

ack jf

16:21:58 [Zakim]

JF, you wanted to ask when you are soliciting for members? Can I point people to this now, if not, when?

16:22:19 [janina]

ack jf

16:22:36 [MichielBijl]

JF: Are you looking for people to join this TF now?

16:22:44 [MichielBijl]

JS: Little too early to join

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JS: Not too early to socialise

16:22:58 [MichielBijl]

JS: We need to make changes

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q?

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zakim, next item

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agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below]

16:24:50 [MichielBijl]

JS: We will expect hotels to fill up quicky

16:25:07 [MichielBijl]

JS: Early reservation are advisable.

16:25:53 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2016

16:26:01 [MichielBijl]

JS: APA is meeting Monday and Tuesday.

16:28:15 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina]

16:29:00 [MichielBijl]

JS: There is an agenda item coming up for that

16:29:07 [MichielBijl]

MC: Skip that for now

16:29:19 [MichielBijl]

MC: Some pending review show up here for some reason

16:29:29 [MichielBijl]

MC: Three reviews on CSS positioning stuff

16:29:50 [MichielBijl]

FE: In the introduction they talk about moving elements independent from DOM order

16:29:58 [MichielBijl]

FE: to do with Flexbox and Grid Layout

16:30:48 [MichaelC]

http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html

16:33:00 [MichielBijl]

MC: In the meantime, are we deferring these?

16:33:05 [MichielBijl]

JS: Come back to them in a week?

16:33:36 [MichielBijl]

CS: Give me an action

16:33:41 [MichielBijl]

CS: For the ordering

16:33:52 [MichaelC]

action: cynthia to add headings for ordering in CSS AAM http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html

16:33:53 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2046 - Add headings for ordering in css aam http://github/w3c/aria/css-aam/css-aam.html [on Cynthia Shelly - due 2016-06-01].

16:34:05 [MichielBijl]

MC: Might've to do it as PR

16:34:14 [MichaelC]

action-2041 due 1 week

16:34:14 [trackbot]

Set action-2041 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.

16:34:18 [MichaelC]

action-2042 due 1 week

16:34:18 [trackbot]

Set action-2042 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.

16:34:22 [MichaelC]

action-2043 due 1 week

16:34:22 [trackbot]

Set action-2043 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-position-3/ css positioned layout module level 3 due date to 2016-06-01.

16:34:44 [MichaelC]

action-2037 due 2 weeks

16:34:44 [trackbot]

Set action-2037 Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/selection-api/ selection api due date to 2016-06-08.

16:34:49 [MichielBijl]

JD: Need couple weeks

16:35:22 [MichaelC]

close action-2028

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Closed action-2028.

16:35:52 [MichaelC]

close action-2023

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Closed action-2023.

16:36:17 [MichaelC]

action-2011 due 1 week

16:36:17 [trackbot]

Set action-2011 Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified due date to 2016-06-01.

16:36:24 [janina]

zakim, next item

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agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]

16:36:48 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/ CSS Grid Layout Module Level 1

16:38:21 [MichaelC]

-> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-cascade-3/ CSS Cascading and Inheritance Level 3

16:39:20 [MichielBijl]

JS: Anyone thing we need to read this?

16:40:40 [MichielBijl]

MB: Need to review Grid Layout

16:40:46 [MichielBijl]

MC: Want to take that up?

16:40:48 [MichielBijl]

MB: Sure

16:40:58 [MichaelC]

action: Michiel to review CSS Grid Layout https://www.w3.org/TR/css-grid-1/

16:40:58 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2047 - Review css grid layout https://www.w3.org/tr/css-grid-1/ [on Michiel Bijl - due 2016-06-01].

16:42:12 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2)

16:42:25 [MichielBijl]

JF: Vaguely recall there being a concern there.

16:43:11 [MichielBijl]

JS: Not sure we need to dive in WD, but need to look at it at some point.

16:43:19 [MichaelC]

action: foliot to review https://www.w3.org/TR/ttml2/ Timed Text Markup Language 2 (TTML2) - due 30 June

16:43:19 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2048 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) [on John Foliot - due 2016-06-30].

16:44:06 [MichaelC]

action-2048 due 29 June

16:44:06 [trackbot]

Set action-2048 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/ttml2/ timed text markup language 2 (ttml2) due date to 2016-06-29.

16:44:18 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams

16:44:32 [MichielBijl]

MC: Published year ago last

16:44:33 [MichaelC]

action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/mediacapture-streams/ Media Capture and Streams

16:44:33 [trackbot]

Created ACTION-2049 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediacapture-streams/ media capture and streams [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-06-01].

16:44:35 [MichielBijl]

JS: Give it to me

16:45:09 [MichaelC]

https://www.w3.org/TR/webrtc-stats/ Identifiers for WebRTC's Statistics API

16:45:38 [janina]

zakim, next item

16:45:38 [Zakim]

agendum 6. "HTML 5.1 Review Discussion" taken up [from See Below]

16:46:38 [MichielBijl]

JS: Let's open the floor to specific questions

16:46:51 [LJWatson]

http://w3c.github.io/html/changes.html#changes

16:46:53 [MichielBijl]

LW: Can give rundown of changes

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16:50:36 [LJWatson]

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22Should+be+deprecated%3F%22

16:51:39 [MichielBijl]

LW: There is a lively discussion about type attribute on unordered lists

16:51:45 [LJWatson]

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/341

16:53:11 [MichielBijl]

s/unordered/ordered/

16:54:45 [MichielBijl]

LW: Reason to keep is that the style can be referenced in content

16:54:46 [LJWatson]

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/273

16:55:05 [MichielBijl]

LW: There has been a suggestion to allow nested headers/footers

16:55:25 [MichielBijl]

LW: Steve Faulkner and Michiel Bijl have already commented that they think it's not a good idea

16:55:31 [MichielBijl]

LW: Any comments from this group are welcome

16:55:40 [LJWatson]

https://github.com/w3c/html/issues/223

16:56:09 [MichielBijl]

LW: issue regarding dropping showModalDialog API

16:58:38 [MichielBijl]

LW: ARIA in HTML is the spec stuff.

17:02:05 [MichielBijl]

LW: Could I request you Janina to reply to our request for review?

17:02:08 [MichielBijl]

JS: yes!

17:05:06 [MichielBijl]

RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl

17:05:42 [MichaelC]

rrsagent, make log world

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present+ Shadi

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RRSAgent, make minutes

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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/25-apa-minutes.html MichielBijl

17:39:06 [LJWatson]

Glad you filed it. Will hopefully get it in before the cutoof next week :)

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