IRC log of lvtf on 2016-05-19

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Zakim, this will be
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I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
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Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
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Date: 19 May 2016
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Chair: Jim
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Agenda+ Gap Analysis
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http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
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Regrets: Jeanne, Andrew
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regrets+JohnR
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scribe: wayne
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Resolution: 3.3.1 Text Size - GAP WCAG - 1.4.4 & 1.4.8 limits size to 200%, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
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Resolution: 3.3.2 Font - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
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Resolution: 3.3.3 Style - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.1 & 1.4.2
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Resolution: 3.3.4 Capitalization - GAP WCAG no SC, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.6
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AJ: I wrote all the proposed gaps found when the full group was not present.
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present+ wayne
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present+Jim
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1. "Gap Analysis" taken up [from allanj]
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Topic: 3.4.6 spacing between elements
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present+ Laura
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See this in the GAP chart
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https://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/WC-UA-alignment.html
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Resolution: 3.4.6 Spacing - GAP WCAG 1.4.8 only covers <p>, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.2 and 1.4.3
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RESOLUTION: 3.4.6 Spacing - GAP WCAG 1.4.8 only covers <p>, NOGAP UAAG met by 1.4.2 and 1.4.3
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Topic: 3.5.1 element customization
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RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2 and 1.4.6
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RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2 and 1.4.6
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RESOLUTION: No SC in WCAG, UAAG covers in 14.2
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Topic: 3.6.1 Maintain Point of Regard
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Example: Point of Regard and Proximity of Controls: http://www.d.umn.edu/~lcarlson/wcagwg/point_of_regard/
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RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, Covered in 1.8.6 and 1.8.9
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UAAG 1.8.6 and 1.8.9
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sm: problem in mobile, changing in orientation
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wd: focus in form is easy, tab, shift tab to regain focus
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... if big text area, very disorienting
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topic: 3.6.2 proximity of related information
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RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, UAAG GAP with partial 1.10.1
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last 3 bullets in use case not covered
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topic: 3.7.1 seeing all interface elements
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fyi, there is a pending edit on this wording -- on my To Do list
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User Need - All Elements: Users can see all interface elements that are intended for users to see, including when users have changed display settings such as text size.
15:38:02 [shawn]
but that shouldn't hold up this gpa analysis
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s/gpa analysis/gap analysis
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wd: perhaps include busy background image with text on top
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RESOLUTATION:
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RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, UAAG 2.71 covers UA items only, not content elements
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awk: partial coverage WCAG 1.4.4 upto 200%
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... also 1.4.8
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RESOLUTION: WCAG partial 1.44 and 1.48, UAAG 2.71 covers UA items only, not content elements
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topic: 3.7.2 Printing Customized text
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RESOLUTION: GAP in WCAG, Covered in UAAG 1.4.4
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topic: 3.7.3 Using User Setting
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deferred until the user need is completed
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...
15:51:36 [Wayne]
AJ: There is a WCAG gap. 1.4.8 listed gives an upper limit (WCAG)
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... It looks like we are don't
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s/don't/done./
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sm: windows has settings that effect the browser (or some of them)
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q+
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3.7.3. User Need - User Settings: Content picks up all relevant user settings, such as ...
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... this could be a huge problem, change browser settings based on OS settings
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Scott: This could be very difficult; only Windows does this;
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awk: what are the things that are needed. OS settings, browser settings, content authors might set.
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AWK: We are talking of user need. We can take on what is possible.
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Authors must account for custom: Fonts, CSS, Colors, Removal of background or all images, text size
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AWK: We are talking about the user need.
15:58:18 [Wayne]
Shawn: This does not list. If the user sets values in the OS or Browser then the content respects this.
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ack s
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wd: this is in 508, but not in wcag stuff
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Content must be interpretable with any custom settings
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sm: browsers don't always support OS settings
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action: Shawn 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ?
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Created ACTION-56 - 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ? [on Shawn Henry - due 2016-05-26].
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ScottM: Browsers don't respect OS settings, all kinds of things don't pass through; there are ways for pages to override; sites have there CSS.
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Shawn: Content and User Agents respect the user's operating system settings.
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user agents user OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
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s/user agents user OS settings/user agents use OS settings
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AJ: If i had all these settings I coule pop up my settings.
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s/Content and User Agents respect the user's operating system settings./user agents respect OS settings; content respects UA and OS settings
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wd: user profile in OS, transfer to UA
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ScottM: In office removes color dependencies; in browsers using JS one could ask the rendered; you can write the page more generic; the user must be able to make custom settings; render the page so it is intelligible with thes preferences in place.
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+1
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wd: users need a mechanism to propose presentation setting and UA will respect these.
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ja: and transportable
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https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/track/actions/56
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?
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ja: UA GL2.6 has 5 SC related to settings
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discussion of multiple configurations, transportable setting
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sh: we want to focus on specific needs related to low vision
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You could jump the fence with a pony!
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... expanding needs to include advanced settings - transportable, multiple settings, etc...seems concocted
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wd: create profile, and transport it.
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sh: perhaps add to gap analysis - is this a need, or just a gap
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... start a github issues about 2.6 - is it a need
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Shawn: we can still do the gap analysis for our rough 3.7.3
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3.7.3 user agents respect OS settings; content respects UA and OS settings
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3.7.3 user agents uses OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
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RESOLUTION: 3.7.3 user agents uses OS settings; content uses UA and OS settings
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NOGAP UAAG GL 2.6 and 5.1.3
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RESOLUTION: Absent in WCAG; NOGAP UAAG GL 2.6 and 5.1.3
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
16:27:03 [ScottM]
Yep
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: wayne, Jim, Laura
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On IRC I see laura, ScottM, Wayne, jeanne, Zakim, RRSAgent, shawn, allanj, MichaelC, trackbot
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present+ shawn, awk
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bye
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Bye
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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zakim, please part
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been wayne, Jim, Laura, shawn, awk
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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regrets- andrew
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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regrets -andrew
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
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agenda?
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zakim, clear agenda
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agenda cleared
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zakim, please part
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rrsagent, please part
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I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/19-lvtf-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Shawn 3.7.3 for "picks up" -> "respects" ? [1]
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