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12:50:26 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:50:26 <trackbot> Date: 18 May 2016
12:50:31 <Steven> Chair: Steven
12:50:36 <Steven> Regrets: Nick, Philip
12:51:20 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016May/0008
12:51:29 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016May/0008
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13:00:53 <Steven> Present: Steven, Erik, Alain
13:03:11 <Steven> Topic: transform()
13:03:11 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016May/0006
13:04:00 <Steven> Steven: You have an implementation too?
13:04:08 <Steven> Erik: Oh, I didn;t think of that.
13:04:12 <Steven> s/;/'/
13:04:37 <Steven> Erik: The problem is how to pass a variable number of parameters.
13:04:55 <Steven> ... our function is more a way to call an XML pipeline
13:05:25 <Steven> ... but it is true that it could inform a solution
13:05:33 <Steven> Alain: My one is very simple
13:05:57 <Steven> Erik: It seems like a lot of text in the proposed XForms transform()
13:06:06 <Steven> ... much of the text is about possible options.
13:06:23 <Steven> ... the rest is straight forward
13:06:40 <Steven> ... the XPath 3 version has less text but does more
13:07:13 <Steven> ... with a simple implementation using maps.
13:07:25 <Steven> ... in XPath 2 we don't have that.
13:07:52 <Steven> Steven: It uses maps to support a variable number of params of different types?
13:07:52 <Steven> Erik: Yes.
13:08:21 <Steven> Steven: Couldn;t you use an instance for that?
13:08:24 <Steven> s/;/'/
13:09:21 <Steven> Erik: It's not ideal
13:10:15 <Steven> Steven: I don't see the difference.
13:11:21 <Steven> Erik: [describes process]
13:11:36 <Steven> Steven: That sounds like submission
13:11:55 <Steven> Erik: Submission doesn't support multiple XML documents as parameters.
13:12:35 <Steven> Alain: With the doc function with the map, it depends on the implementation, but it should be embedded in fact.
13:12:43 <Steven> ... it is quite easy to optimise.
13:12:53 <Steven> Erik: With a map, it is by reference
13:13:15 <Steven> ... there is no copying involved, it is by reference.
13:13:23 <Steven> ... but embedding means copying
13:13:29 <Steven> ... in the case of the DOM
13:14:11 <Steven> ... .... Certainly for the basic parameters, using a bit of XML is not terrible, though cumbersome.
13:14:50 <Steven> s/....//
13:15:49 <Steven> Erik: That's the only difficulty, figuring out how to pass all the stuff.
13:16:26 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/MarkUp/Forms/wiki/The_XForms_Transform_Function_Module
13:16:38 <Steven> ... we need to figure out if the existing proposals are reasonable or if we can work out something better.
13:17:25 <Steven> ... I don't see a big problem to work that out
13:18:27 <Steven> Steven: What are the next steps?
13:19:38 <Steven> Erik: Look at the parameter passing, choosing between the two proposals, I'll consider that.
13:19:50 <Steven> Steven: Is that your task for the week?
13:19:50 <Steven> Erik: Sounds good.
13:20:12 <Steven> Topic: AOB
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