IRC log of sdwssn on 2016-05-17
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- logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-irc
- 20:58:05 [SimonCox]
- present+ SimonCox
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- RRSAgent, make logs world
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- Zakim, this will be SDW
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- ok, trackbot
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- Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
- 20:58:08 [trackbot]
- Date: 17 May 2016
- 20:58:14 [phila]
- zakim, code?
- 20:58:15 [Zakim]
- I have been told this is SDW
- 20:58:18 [Kerry]
- present+ kerry
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- regrets+ ScottSimmons
- 20:58:28 [SimonCox]
- present
- 20:58:46 [phila]
- present+ SimonCox
- 20:58:48 [DanhLePhuoc]
- present+ DanhLePhuoc
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- present+ robin
- 20:59:49 [SimonCox]
- Webex password rejected
- 20:59:56 [ByronCinNZ]
- present+ ByronCinNZ
- 21:00:10 [phila]
- zakim, this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mb5ce4073e5faccf02502083c23834e30 pw sdwssn Meeting no. 647 066 501 (+1-617-324-0000 )
- 21:00:10 [Zakim]
- got it, phila
- 21:00:19 [RaulGarciaCastro]
- SimonCox: sdwssn
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- present+ RaulGarciaCastro
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- 21:01:44 [KJanowic]
- present+ kjanowic
- 21:01:53 [Kerry]
- chair: Kerry
- 21:02:36 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- present SefkiKolozali_Unis
- 21:02:45 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- present+ SefkiKolozali_Unis
- 21:03:04 [Kerry]
- scribe: simon
- 21:03:05 [SimonCox]
- scribenick+ SImonCox
- 21:03:16 [ahaller2]
- i am having troubles connecting, the phone keeps dropping
- 21:03:22 [Kerry]
- scribeNick: SimonCox
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- present+ JRamsay
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- present+ roba
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- present+ ClausStadler
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- 21:04:36 [ahaller2]
- present+ ahaller2
- 21:04:36 [KJanowic]
- Cannot get the webex password to work
- 21:04:53 [Kerry]
- topic: approve minutes http://www.w3.org/2016/05/03-sdwssn-minutes
- 21:04:57 [ClausStadler]
- same name as the channel without the '#'
- 21:05:06 [DanhLePhuoc]
- +1
- 21:05:10 [Kerry]
- +1
- 21:05:17 [SimonCox]
- motion: approve minutes
- 21:05:18 [RaulGarciaCastro]
- +1
- 21:05:20 [JRamsay]
- +1
- 21:05:22 [ClausStadler]
- +1
- 21:05:23 [ahaller2]
- +1
- 21:05:43 [Kerry]
- q+ kerry
- 21:05:48 [Kerry]
- ack kerry
- 21:06:06 [SimonCox]
- resolved: approve minutes
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- item: patent call
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- topic: patent call
- 21:06:32 [Kerry]
- patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
- 21:07:09 [SimonCox]
- no patent items.
- 21:07:16 [Kerry]
- topic: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
- 21:07:25 [Phila-offline]
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- 21:07:31 [SimonCox]
- q+
- 21:08:08 [SimonCox]
- topic: review FPWD http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
- 21:08:27 [Kerry]
- topic: Documentation section 4
- 21:08:36 [Kerry]
- ack SimonCox
- 21:08:39 [Phila-offline]
- Apologies - BT Broadband problems (the two are synonymous)
- 21:10:01 [SimonCox]
- SimonCox - concerned that documentation e.g. http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#d4e892
- 21:10:10 [phila]
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- 21:10:16 [SimonCox]
- still makes reference to 'Situation' which is DUL concept
- 21:10:50 [phila]
- present+ phila
- 21:11:53 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: yes, still based on the original SSN documentation
- 21:11:57 [SimonCox]
- q+
- 21:12:02 [josh]
- q+
- 21:12:21 [Kerry]
- ack SimonCox
- 21:12:41 [KJanowic]
- SimonCox: Maybe add more warning to main clear that this documentation will be replaced (in some places).
- 21:12:51 [KJanowic]
- s/main/make
- 21:12:59 [ahaller2]
- +1 for a caveat on top
- 21:13:22 [ahaller2]
- q+
- 21:13:26 [SimonCox]
- Action: Danh to add caveat related to documentation replacement
- 21:13:26 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-170 - Add caveat related to documentation replacement [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:14:04 [SimonCox]
- Danh: Some missing pieces of documentation, e.g. skos:exactMatch?
- 21:14:11 [SimonCox]
- would have to be done manually
- 21:15:03 [Kerry]
- action: danh to write a caveat around ssn doc section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was
- 21:15:03 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-171 - Write a caveat around ssn doc section to go into ed draft to explain the doc will change in accordance with changes of the ontology but refelct ssn as it was [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:15:18 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:15:18 [SimonCox]
- some dc:source information is not carried through to automatically generated LODE documentation
- 21:16:02 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: since documentation is only in 'annotation' properties does not matter ...
- 21:16:25 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:16:27 [SimonCox]
- q?
- 21:16:31 [Kerry]
- ack josh
- 21:17:35 [KJanowic]
- josh: fine as long as we agreed that this draft will not later limit our proposed changes.
- 21:17:38 [SimonCox]
- josh: conflicting priorities - intent to re-factor (modular, O&M alignment, PROV alignment) vs. need to get FPWD out, despite content issues - we are wll clear that FPWD is not a constraint on future revisions
- 21:18:15 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- q+
- 21:18:59 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller2
- 21:19:03 [SimonCox]
- http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan and 'Status' section
- 21:19:10 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller2
- 21:19:57 [phila]
- I did a *lot* of manual editing... so I probably introduced more than one error.
- 21:20:04 [KJanowic]
- Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that will not make it into the final version anyway?
- 21:20:13 [SimonCox]
- Armin: typo in condition description?
- 21:20:19 [phila]
- <a name="blah"></a> is *so* last century...
- 21:20:30 [SimonCox]
- +1 @KJanowic
- 21:20:32 [Kerry]
- action: danh to fix "dition" class
- 21:20:33 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-172 - Fix "dition" class [on Danh Le Phuoc - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:20:54 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:21:12 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller
- 21:21:17 [Kerry]
- ack SefkiKolozali_Unis
- 21:21:24 [SimonCox]
- ack Sefki
- 21:22:24 [Kerry]
- Sefki saying that ssn is only human-readable, nor machine readable
- 21:23:48 [SimonCox]
- Sefki: propose major refactor for 'timeline' support
- 21:24:13 [SimonCox]
- q+
- 21:24:22 [SimonCox]
- q-
- 21:24:44 [SimonCox]
- @KJanowic - do you want to join q?
- 21:25:07 [SimonCox]
- "<KJanowic> Aren't we running into problems by rushing this; If we put out the FPWD and people start commenting on issues that will not make it into the final version anyway?"
- 21:25:24 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:25:55 [KJanowic]
- q+
- 21:26:02 [Kerry]
- ack KJanowic
- 21:26:48 [SimonCox]
- KJanowic: group agrees that there will be major changes, so should not issue working draft, so as not to waste people's time commenting?
- 21:27:49 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: group lifetime is a pressure - need to publish early and often - plenty of precedent for draftier drafts in W3C
- 21:28:07 [SimonCox]
- Purpose of FPWD is to solicit comment
- 21:28:39 [SimonCox]
- Timeline was set in Dec 2015, Feb 2016
- 21:28:50 [SimonCox]
- ALready one month late
- 21:29:07 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:29:11 [ahaller2]
- q+
- 21:29:12 [SimonCox]
- There is no realistic alternative ...
- 21:29:39 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- My question was about local restrictions vs global restrictions. Since SSN Ontology is using global restrictions, SSN Ontology is missing domain and range definitions for properties. This can causes some problem when one is parsing the ontology or mapping the ontology into a library.
- 21:29:39 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller
- 21:29:42 [SimonCox]
- ... but must be sure of support for publishing current draft
- 21:30:21 [Kerry]
- +q
- 21:30:35 [KJanowic]
- @Sefki: guarded domain and range restrictions were added on purpose vs global domains and ranges
- 21:30:44 [SimonCox]
- Armin: add comment that modularization does not yet represent the ultimate intention
- 21:31:00 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: all in http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Work Plan
- 21:31:34 [SimonCox]
- Armin: modularization until now only relates to splitting out DOLCE, not the other re-factoring
- 21:31:51 [roba]
- Needs to be in introductory/scoping section
- 21:31:57 [SimonCox]
- Task: Armin to write words to explain intentions around modularization, RDFS
- 21:31:58 [Kerry]
- action: armin to write a little more about modul,arisation re currnet state
- 21:31:58 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-173 - Write a little more about modul,arisation re currnet state [on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:32:05 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:32:18 [Kerry]
- topic: URL for SSN & SSN-DUL
- 21:32:40 [SimonCox]
- Currently https://www.w3.org/ns/ssn/
- 21:33:07 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:33:37 [Kerry]
- topic: Modularisation section 3
- 21:33:41 [SimonCox]
- Topic: modularization
- 21:33:58 [SimonCox]
- http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#Modularisation
- 21:34:54 [roba]
- q+
- 21:34:59 [SimonCox]
- SimonCox - segmentation text is rather hard to read - could it be improved (examples?)
- 21:35:05 [Kerry]
- action: armin to add examples to modularisation
- 21:35:05 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-174 - Add examples to modularisation [on Armin Haller - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:35:16 [SimonCox]
- q?
- 21:35:24 [josh]
- q+
- 21:35:26 [Kerry]
- ack kerry
- 21:35:27 [phila]
- s/SimonCox - s/SimonCox: s/
- 21:35:43 [SimonCox]
- SimonCox - 'horizontal' vs 'vertical' a bit abstract
- 21:36:08 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:36:20 [Kerry]
- ack roba
- 21:36:25 [josh]
- +1 - the spatial analogy has little meaning. Axiomatic versus subclass dimensions makes more sense
- 21:36:25 [SimonCox]
- ack roba
- 21:37:12 [KJanowic]
- I simply forgot to consider that, sorry. Happy to change this.
- 21:37:30 [SimonCox]
- q+
- 21:37:42 [josh]
- q-
- 21:37:48 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:37:57 [Kerry]
- ack SimonCox
- 21:38:12 [KJanowic]
- The wiki ahaller2 pointed to: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
- 21:38:20 [KJanowic]
- q+
- 21:39:02 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:39:08 [ahaller2]
- q+
- 21:39:09 [Kerry]
- ack KJanowic
- 21:39:20 [roba]
- +1
- 21:39:23 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:39:30 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller2
- 21:40:22 [SimonCox]
- Armin: "/" URIs proposed to best support modularization
- 21:40:36 [SimonCox]
- ... including URIs for modules
- 21:40:46 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:40:50 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller2
- 21:40:57 [Kerry]
- ack ahaller
- 21:41:07 [Kerry]
- Work Plan section 5
- 21:41:24 [phila]
- Topic: Work Plan Section 5
- 21:41:31 [phila]
- RRSAgent, make logs public
- 21:41:33 [SimonCox]
- http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/#WorkPlan
- 21:41:37 [phila]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 21:41:37 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html phila
- 21:42:29 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:43:26 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- q+
- 21:43:38 [Kerry]
- topic: Any other burning and essential FPWD issue
- 21:44:25 [SimonCox]
- no reponse
- 21:44:48 [phila]
- ack s
- 21:44:51 [Kerry]
- ack SefkiKolozali_Unis
- 21:44:57 [DanhLePhuoc]
- q+
- 21:45:09 [SimonCox]
- SefkiKolozali_Unis: relationship with sensors/IoT
- 21:45:27 [SimonCox]
- ... still unclear how to contribute
- 21:46:41 [SimonCox]
- https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Proposals_for_rewriting_SSN
- 21:47:44 [SimonCox]
- q+
- 21:48:22 [SimonCox]
- ack DanhLePhuoc
- 21:48:22 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:49:03 [SimonCox]
- DanhLePhuoc: add diagrams in Section 4 to explain relationship to patterns etc
- 21:49:08 [SimonCox]
- Kerry: too late
- 21:49:35 [SimonCox]
- ... but if you can add diagrams to Wiki, will be added to next version
- 21:49:48 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:49:58 [Kerry]
- ack SimonCox
- 21:50:56 [KJanowic]
- +1 for SamplingFeature. I also added this to the SSN core proposal: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/SSN_core_modules
- 21:51:36 [phila]
- q+ to talk about issues
- 21:51:37 [SimonCox]
- Action: Kerry to add Sampling Features in Issue biox
- 21:51:37 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-175 - Add sampling features in issue biox [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:51:38 [josh]
- Perhaps it just seems something to do "after" re-factoring
- 21:51:41 [DanhLePhuoc]
- q+
- 21:51:49 [Kerry]
- action: kerry to put issue box around sampling features
- 21:51:49 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-176 - Put issue box around sampling features [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-05-24].
- 21:51:58 [phila]
- q?
- 21:52:01 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:52:08 [Kerry]
- ack phila
- 21:52:08 [Zakim]
- phila, you wanted to talk about issues
- 21:53:05 [SimonCox]
- phila: make formally tracked issues consistently
- 21:54:04 [SimonCox]
- ... it is essential that issues are tracked, and that we link to them
- 21:54:51 [SimonCox]
- WHat is mechanics to add items to tracker?
- 21:54:57 [Kerry]
- w3c tracker it is
- 21:55:49 [phila]
- issue: Align SSN to to implement Best Practices as defined in our BP deliverable.
- 21:55:49 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-42 - Align ssn to to implement best practices as defined in our bp deliverable.. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/42/edit>.
- 21:56:13 [SimonCox]
- issue: Add treatment of Sampling Features in SSN
- 21:56:13 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-43 - Add treatment of sampling features in ssn. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/43/edit>.
- 21:57:00 [phila]
- q?
- 21:57:01 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:57:05 [Kerry]
- ack DanhLePhuoc
- 21:59:20 [Kerry]
- q?
- 21:59:37 [josh]
- bye
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- 22:01:13 [KJanowic]
- Thanks, bye bye
- 22:01:23 [ahaller2]
- hi byron
- 22:01:24 [roba]
- bye
- 22:01:26 [ahaller2]
- bye
- 22:01:27 [SefkiKolozali_Unis]
- bye
- 22:01:29 [RaulGarciaCastro]
- Bye!
- 22:01:35 [phila]
- RRSAgent, draft minutes
- 22:01:35 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/17-sdwssn-minutes.html phila
- 22:02:59 [ByronCinNZ]
- bye
- 22:10:18 [phila]
- issue: Justify why we are changing SSN at all
- 22:10:18 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-44 - Justify why we are changing ssn at all. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/44/edit>.
- 22:21:28 [phila]
- issue: The DUL alignment in the proposed FPWD does not yet reflect the recent change to the namespace of DUL itself.
- 22:21:28 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-45 - The dul alignment in the proposed fpwd does not yet reflect the recent change to the namespace of dul itself.. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/45/edit>.
- 22:23:29 [phila]
- issue: Should the movement of Sensor become a direct subclass of dul:Object?
- 22:23:29 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-46 - Should the movement of sensor become a direct subclass of dul:object?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/46/edit>.
- 22:24:14 [phila]
- issue: A thorough check on annotation properties needs to be made
- 22:24:14 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-47 - A thorough check on annotation properties needs to be made. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/47/edit>.
- 22:25:05 [phila]
- issue: Will SSN core be an RDFS-only vocabulary with modular extensions supporting both expanded terms and expanded expressiveness in the ontology language?
- 22:25:06 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-48 - Will ssn core be an rdfs-only vocabulary with modular extensions supporting both expanded terms and expanded expressiveness in the ontology language?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/48/edit>.
- 22:26:12 [phila]
- issue: Consider splitting the ontology into smaller sections to offer simplified access
- 22:26:12 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-49 - Consider splitting the ontology into smaller sections to offer simplified access. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/49/edit>.
- 22:26:29 [phila]
- issue: How do we replace those components
- 22:26:29 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-50 - How do we replace those components. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/50/edit>.
- 22:26:29 [phila]
- of dul that seem to be core to ssn if dul is not being used?
- 22:26:46 [phila]
- issue: How do we replace those components
- 22:26:46 [phila]
- of dul that seem to be core to ssn if dul is not being used?
- 22:26:46 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-51 - How do we replace those components. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/51/edit>.
- 22:30:07 [phila]
- issue: What goes in SSN and what should bee just a recommended profile/extract/extension?
- 22:30:08 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-52 - What goes in ssn and what should bee just a recommended profile/extract/extension?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/52/edit>.
- 22:30:36 [phila]
- issue: Align SSN with PROV-O
- 22:30:37 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-53 - Align ssn with prov-o. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/53/edit>.
- 22:31:18 [phila]
- issue: Is it ok to use SWRL or would it be better to make some bigger changes to SSN to align with PROV-O?
- 22:31:19 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-54 - Is it ok to use swrl or would it be better to make some bigger changes to ssn to align with prov-o?. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/54/edit>.
- 22:31:54 [phila]
- issue: Align SSN with RDF datacube
- 22:31:55 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-55 - Align ssn with rdf datacube. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/55/edit>.
- 22:32:11 [phila]
- issue: SSN for IoT devices
- 22:32:11 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-56 - Ssn for iot devices. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/56/edit>.
- 22:32:31 [phila]
- issue: Align SSN with the ontology developed for the coverage deliverable
- 22:32:31 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-57 - Align ssn with the ontology developed for the coverage deliverable. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/57/edit>.
- 22:32:49 [phila]
- issue: Extend SSN to to cover requirements identified in our UCR
- 22:32:49 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-58 - Extend ssn to to cover requirements identified in our ucr. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/58/edit>.
- 22:34:33 [phila]
- issue: Extend SSN to to cover requirements identified in our wish List
- 22:34:34 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-59 - Extend ssn to to cover requirements identified in our wish list. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/59/edit>.
- 22:34:57 [phila]
- issue: Review annotation properties, including multilingual. Fix typos and spelling
- 22:34:58 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-60 - Review annotation properties, including multilingual. fix typos and spelling. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/60/edit>.
- 22:35:54 [phila]
- issue: Extend SSN to cover https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Working_Use_Cases#Various_Sensor_Use_Cases_.28SSN.29
- 22:35:54 [trackbot]
- Created ISSUE-61 - Extend ssn to cover https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/working_use_cases#various_sensor_use_cases_.28ssn.29. Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/61/edit>.
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