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13:50:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Device and Sensors Working Group Teleconference
13:50:13 <trackbot> Date: 12 May 2016
14:00:49 <dom> Present+ Dom
14:03:23 <Andrey_Logvinov> Present+ Andrey_Logvinov
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14:09:13 <tobie> Present+ Tobie_Langel
14:11:57 <dom> Topic: Sensors API
14:12:05 <dom> tobie: not much news since last time
14:12:14 <dom> ... two specs: Generic Sensor and Ambient Light
14:12:28 <dom> ... I'm waiting for feedback from the TAG on interactions between ambient light and sensor
14:12:33 <dom> ... I should ping them
14:13:01 <dom> ... I got very good feedback during the TAG meeting, with plenty good of comments (more examples, more upfront content on sensor polling)
14:13:08 <dom> ... I'm planning to work these into the spec
14:13:30 <dom> ... I've split up the generic sensor issue tracker into level 1  / level 2 / future work to give a better understanding on where we're going
14:13:56 <dom> ... Intel is implementing it in Blink, which has generated feedback and spec issues that we're discussing
14:14:12 <dom> ... mainly around timestamps (do we need them? are they costly? what do they really mean?)
14:14:27 <dom> ... I'm waiting for some of the privacy & security issues in the paper that Lukas shared
14:14:50 <dom> s/Lukas/Lukasz/
14:15:08 <dom> ... I would like to get specific issues raised, both on generic sensor and ambient light
14:15:29 <dom> ... I'm not too concerned on these issues at this moment; it's the usual trade-off between new features and privacy
14:16:19 <dom> dom: wide review schedule? device orientation?
14:16:47 <dom> tobie: wide review - we might as well start now; mostly minor editorial changes to the spec
14:17:06 <dom> ... the implementation is pretty much working - not shipped yet, but no specific issues encountered
14:17:18 <dom> ... I understand that both Mozilla and Microsoft are interested to follow through
14:17:50 <dom> ... on my end, I think it's in good enough shape for wider review
14:18:30 <dom> ... the TAG has mentioned specific things they'd like to see, e.g. exposing sensors in workers
14:18:59 <dom> dom: generic sensor & ambient light?
14:19:10 <dom> tobie: yes; ambient light is a really small spec
14:19:41 <dom> ... there are some specifics (e.g. privacy concerns); but otherwise, its content is mostly based on generic sensor
14:20:08 <dom> ... the main concern is how the two specs work together, and if this is the right split up
14:20:35 <dom> ... people need to read both specs together
14:22:05 <dom> dom: earlier you had mentioned concerns about getting validation on the poll-type of sensors; where do we stand on this?
14:22:42 <dom> tobie: I feel confident enough on this now, thanks to some polyfilling work I did which highlighted a whole bunch of issues
14:22:47 <dom> dom: what about device orientation?
14:23:38 <dom> tobie: the Android and iOS implementations of the Device Orientation spec are built on gyroscope, magnometer, and accelerometer
14:23:47 <dom> ... the way these are combined can vary a lot
14:24:06 <dom> ... the device orientation only provides a high level view, while the underneath platforms have the lower level sensors
14:24:24 <dom> ... so I want to work first on exposing the lower level sensors (magnometer, gyroscope, accelerometer)
14:24:34 <dom> ... I don't really have a timeline on this
14:25:07 <dom> ... will let the group know when I can move forward with this
14:29:00 <dom> ACTION: Dom to start discussion on wide review of generic sensor & ambient lights
14:29:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-756 - Start discussion on wide review of generic sensor & ambient lights [on Dominique Hazaël-Massieux - due 2016-05-19].
14:29:14 <dom> Topic: Next meetnig
14:29:21 <dom> s/nig/ing/
14:29:30 <dom> Dom: on June 2nd; will try to get an ICS set up by then :)
14:29:38 <dom> Topic: Wake Lock API
14:30:03 <dom> Andrey: I still need to address the privacy/security aspects in the doc; not sure what next step should be
14:30:14 <dom> Dom: once we have the privacy stuff in, I suggest we start the wide review process
14:30:31 <dom> ... this might give up more feedback, and if not, we shall move to CR
14:30:33 <dom> Andrey: sounds good
14:30:44 <dom> Topic: Welcome & Announcement
14:30:58 <dom> Dom: TPAC registration has opened https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016May/0027.html
14:31:05 <dom> ... DAP will be meeting on Monday/Tuesday
14:31:24 <dom> Dom: We have requested transition of Media Capture and Streams to CR; hopefully that will happen soon
14:31:33 <dom> Topic: Minutes approval
14:31:45 <dom> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 14 April 2016 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2016Apr/att-0032/minutes-2016-04-14.html
14:32:00 <dom> Regrets: Frederick_Hirsch
14:32:03 <dom> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:32:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/12-dap-minutes.html dom
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