00:01:02 <plh> http://w3c-test.org/tools/runner/index.html
00:02:42 <AlexD> plh: cut-off date for substantive changes is May 31st
00:12:51 <AlexD> RRSAgent, make minutes
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00:22:54 <LJWatson> http://w3c.github.io/html-aria/
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17:06:48 <chaals> Topic: The fun of checking WHATWG commits…
17:07:00 <chaals> -> https://github.com/whatwg/html/commits/master?page=11 our starting point…
17:07:12 <chaals> scribe: Travis
17:07:32 <chaals> Present+ chaals, Léonie, Travis, Arron, Alex, Ade, PLH
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17:16:29 <LJWatson> zakim, agenda?
17:16:29 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
17:16:30 <Zakim> 7. reviewing whatwg changes [from chaals]
17:16:30 <Zakim> 8. pull/350 [from plh]
17:16:39 <Travis> plh: will need to get pre-implementation info prior to June 21 (so that we can mark at risk)
17:16:44 <Travis> scribe: Travis
17:17:29 <Travis> wait! Let's talk about current/cached Bikeshed
17:18:02 <Travis> arronei: Recent Bikeshed update now has an "index out of range" in a biblio file.
17:18:10 <Travis> .. only seems to happen in Travis.ci
17:18:13 <Travis> .. ??
17:18:28 <Travis> .. reached out to Tab. Still don't know what the problem is.
17:18:36 <Travis> .. (problem with Travis.ci?)
17:18:55 <Travis> .. Have changed to use live Bikeshed to workaround this issue.
17:19:12 <Travis> .. want to continue investigating how to use the cached copy.
17:19:23 <Travis> .. but want to fix the license issue and some links.
17:19:50 <Travis> adrianba: I want to try to help fix this technical issue.
17:20:11 <Travis> .. we have seen that we can't rely on the live Bikeshed. It causes too many issues.
17:20:25 <Travis> plh: we're only talking about the editor's draft, not the publishing process.
17:20:46 <Travis> adrianba: We're protecting ourselves by using Travis.ci to ensure we build clean.
17:20:59 <Travis> .. so that folks' PRs can be checked and clean.
17:21:21 <Travis> .. when we started out using the live version it was chaos (Bikeshed was updated a lot and broke us.)
17:21:36 <Travis> .. we can do a temp workaround.
17:22:17 <Travis> .. add something to the repo readme to say that we're currently working on the live version; if [customer] has an issue, let us know.
17:22:58 <Travis> arronei: hope to be able to fix in about a week..
17:24:37 <Travis> agenda?
17:24:49 <Travis> take up agendum 7
17:26:16 <Travis> Will be reviewing issue now.
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22:00:07 <chaals> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
22:00:17 <chaals> Topic: references
22:00:26 <chaals> PLH: CSS-backgrounds is OK
22:00:39 <chaals> AE: We can reference CSS-color-3 not 4
22:01:23 <chaals> AE: CSS generated content will not stabilise soon enough, ditto all the CSS references following that until CSS-style-attr.
22:01:31 <chaals> PLH: CSS syntax should be OK.
22:02:30 <chaals> … text is not stable, nor transitions. TL: Why isn't transitions done - it's old.
22:02:41 <chaals> [but doesnt' work interoperably]
22:03:05 <chaals> AE: UI3 is OK, 4 no. value is stable. Writing modes is stable but moves slowly.
22:03:14 <chaals> PLH: Link to CSS 2.2 instead of 2.1?
22:03:42 <chaals> Content is not stable, images is.
22:03:53 <chaals> CSS-Ruby isn't stable.
22:10:27 <chaals> ACTION: PLH to publish a Working Draft of DOM serialisation.
22:12:11 <chaals> [editing] is unstable, encoding we should shift version, fetch is going to be interesting.]
22:13:20 <chaals> PLH: WebAppSec convinced the director that they could point to fetch. We would need to examine where we reference fetch.
22:15:04 <chaals> … An alternative is to say "we're just going to copy definitions into a spec appendix, so we don't have to worry about things shifting"
22:15:15 <chaals> AD: There are only 4 places we refer to Fetch.
22:17:51 <chaals> CMN: Can we just drop the dependencies
22:19:05 <chaals> PLH: FileAPI was accepted for 5.0
22:19:44 <chaals> … is fullscreen normative?
22:20:28 <chaals> AE: I'll check to see if things are real normative references.
22:20:45 <chaals> … think we use Geometry spec.
22:21:01 <chaals> PLH: HR-Time 1 is good enough.
22:23:25 <chaals> ARIA reference needs to be sorted, to point to the right one and make sure it advances in time.
22:23:51 <chaals> … why tdo we reference Japanese layout requirements.
22:24:09 <chaals> … Why do we reference MathML 1.01?
22:27:09 <chaals> Why is media-source normative?
22:28:27 <chaals> - because it extends HTML.
22:28:54 <chaals> … MIME sniffing we need
22:29:53 <chaals> … why do we depend normatively on OggSkeleton?
22:31:33 <chaals> PLH: Selectors 4 - where is that?
22:31:42 <chaals> AAE: We depend on that.
22:32:02 <chaals> PLH: Service workers as a normative ref?
22:32:07 <chaals> AE: We may not need to do that?
22:33:23 <chaals> AD: Clean up SVG stuff
22:33:33 <chaals> … no need for 1.2tiny or 1.0
22:33:43 <chaals> PLH: Should we reference Pointer Events?
22:34:59 <chaals> … URL is nasty…
22:35:40 <chaals> ACTION: Chaals to figure out how we point to URL concepts.
22:35:59 <chaals> AD: We don't need TypedArray anywhere.
22:38:02 <chaals> AE: WebIDL should point to /TR not haycam's repo. Maybe it's the reference text.
22:39:00 <chaals> … webworkers and whatwgwiki aren't normative dependencies.
22:39:12 <chaals> … no idea why we have worklets.
22:39:51 <chaals> … XHR link is a bug.
22:41:41 <chaals> … SO, URL, Fetch, DOM, are the likely pain points.
22:45:16 <plh> s/URL is nasty/URL is nasty so we should try to keep it as-is/
22:45:42 <plh> s/URL, Fetch, DOM/Fetch, DOM/
22:51:48 <plh> Topic: Looking at diff
22:52:20 <plh> Section 4.7.14.12.6 should be marked at risk
22:52:53 <plh> Section 4.7.14.12.9 should be marked at risk?
22:53:17 <plh> + associated event handlers
22:59:01 <plh> datetime and datetime-local at risk?
23:00:41 <plh> inputmode?
23:03:52 <plh> Drop 4.10.19.3 Autofill
23:08:03 <plh> plh will look into section 4.11 and figure what we should drop or mark at risk
23:09:27 <plh> and also section 4.12
23:13:40 <chaals> Editing is a mess, and known to be a mess, but there isn't much of a solution available now :(
23:25:45 <chaals> rrsagent, make minutes
23:25:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/11-html-editors-minutes.html chaals