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14:03:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Education and Outreach Working Group Teleconference
14:03:09 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2016
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14:08:13 <James> Present+ James
14:09:30 <Caleb> Present+ Caleb
14:10:05 <yatil> present+ EricE
14:13:26 <yatil> present+ Anna_Belle, Shawn, Katie, Howard, Susan, Sharron, Brent
14:13:33 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:14:10 <yatil> Topic: Introductions
14:14:17 <yatil> [Introductions around the table]
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14:16:26 <yatil> present+ Wilco
14:16:32 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
14:17:14 <shadi> present+ shadi_virtually
14:17:43 <yatil> s/Katie, //
14:17:43 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:17:43 <Zakim> Present: James, Caleb, EricE, Anna_Belle, Shawn, Katie, Howard, Susan, Sharron, Brent, Wilco, Katie_Haritos-Shea, shadi_virtually
14:17:48 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:18:06 <yatil> Chair: Sharron_and_Brent
14:18:08 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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14:18:43 <Brent> Face to Face Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/EOWG_F2F_May_2016
14:18:55 <yatil> [Sharron lays out the agenda for the two days.]
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14:25:01 <yatil> Topic: Reviewing Resource Management Process
14:26:43 <yatil> -> WAI Pages http://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/Drafts/wai-pages
14:26:56 <yatil> -> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35532/RMsurvey/ Resource Management Survey
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14:34:26 <yatil> zakim, who is here?
14:34:26 <Zakim> Present: James, Caleb, EricE, Anna_Belle, Shawn, Katie, Howard, Susan, Sharron, Brent, Wilco, Katie_Haritos-Shea, shadi_virtually
14:34:28 <Zakim> On IRC I see Howard, Sharron, Caleb, Susan, Ryladog, James, Zakim, RRSAgent, shawn, Brent, shadi, trackbot, yatil
14:34:56 <Brent> Resource Development Life Cycle Wiki page:https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/RDLC
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14:41:32 <shawn> q+ to say comments from survey
14:41:53 <shawn> q+ to ask  about review status
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14:50:12 <shadi> q+
14:50:34 <shadi> q+ to question the need for stage 6
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14:51:39 <shadi> +1 to merge 5&6
14:52:04 <shadi> q-
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14:53:57 <yatil> scribe: yatil
14:54:44 <yatil> Resolution: We will publish resources with a date but without the word draft on it, basically combining stages 5 and 6 of the Resource Development Life Cycle.
14:54:45 <Brent> ack shawn
14:54:45 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say comments from survey and to ask  about review status
14:55:11 <yatil> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:00:08 <shadi> +1 to wilco
15:00:30 <shadi> q+
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15:02:10 <Brent> ack shadi
15:02:44 <shawn> ack shadi
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15:03:42 <shawn> group: RM's are responsible for life, and it passes to their children
15:03:46 <Howard> q+
15:04:37 <shawn> s/+1 to wilco/+1 to caleb
15:05:44 <Sharron> Scribe: Sharron
15:05:48 <Sharron> Caleb: parking lot concept
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15:06:27 <Sharron> James: As easy as it is to pick a resource and become RM, it should be as easy to give it back
15:06:28 <shawn> ack howaard
15:06:52 <yatil> q+
15:06:55 <Sharron> Howard: Keep things as draft until Public Reveiw ?
15:07:03 <yatil> q+ to say WIP instead of draft
15:07:23 <shadi> q+ to disagree with eric :)
15:07:49 <yatil> q+ to disagree with shadi disagreeing with me without hearing what I have to say ;-)
15:08:00 <Sharron> Shawn: messaging to encure
15:08:01 <yatil> ack h
15:08:08 <Sharron> AnnaBelle: Accepting feedback
15:08:27 <Sharron> Eric: Only encourage comments when we are actively working on them
15:08:31 <Brent> ack yatil
15:08:31 <Zakim> yatil, you wanted to say WIP instead of draft and to disagree with shadi disagreeing with me without hearing what I have to say ;-)
15:09:48 <Sharron> Eric: Standardize the process through which EOWG reviews the document
15:10:57 <yatil> ack s
15:10:57 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to disagree with eric :)
15:11:00 <Sharron> Eric: A clear way to recongize on GutHUb when projects are active.
15:11:18 <Sharron> s/GutHUb/GitHub
15:11:38 <Sharron> s/recongize/recognize
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15:12:37 <Sharron> Shawn: Publication with open review period, active seeking comments...but not a draft.
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15:13:41 <Sharron> Howard: Semantics?
15:15:23 <Sharron> Shadi: I agree with trying not to label things as draft, but be aware that it is not just the label, there are actually things that are not done.
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15:17:30 <Sharron> ...we do not want the word draft?
15:17:56 <shawn> q+
15:18:00 <Sharron> ...for example How PWD use the Web is still draft because it has not completed the process.
15:19:55 <Sharron> Eric: We do not want to put drafts on the W3C site without going throuhg the process. The only place where WIP is is on GitHub.
15:19:59 <Brent> ack shawn
15:20:34 <shadi> q+
15:23:27 <Sharron> Shawn: We will not remove things but in rare occasions we may still publish draft documents
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15:24:27 <Brent> ack shadi
15:26:43 <Howard> q+
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15:27:06 <Sharron> Eric: Could put a list of known issues.
15:27:29 <Brent> ack howard
15:27:32 <Sharron> Shadi: That would be useful
15:27:35 <shawn> q?
15:28:03 <Howard> ack Howard
15:28:11 <Sharron> Howard: Version number to indicate that we need to work on it, not have draft but a queue
15:28:14 <shadi> +1 to link to github issues  or version number or anything that clarifies status
15:28:33 <Caleb_> +1 to link to GitHub issues
15:29:19 <Sharron> Eric: an obstacle is the fact that we are always working on all things at all times.
15:29:48 <Sharron> Brent: call time, this is a process and management issue. good discussion. This part needs to be figured out and we can work through this.
15:31:17 <yatil> [15 minutes break]
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15:59:30 <Sharron> Topic: User feedback sessions at AccessU
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16:13:09 <shadi> "short term accessibility improvements for your website"?
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16:18:15 <Brent> q?
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16:20:19 <yatil> [slight tension on naming the document and categorizing resources]
16:20:28 <yatil> s/tension/tangent
16:22:10 <James> Q+
16:22:50 <Brent> ack james
16:24:32 <yatil> q+ shawn
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16:24:51 <yatil> ack s
16:27:57 <yatil> Re: Having personas in the improving document -> Link to the updated how ppl with disabilities use the web personas, not only to the a11y principles
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16:48:18 <Sharron> Eric: User feedbck leads us to understand that there are opinions about what is in fashion, etc. Need to be consistant
16:48:32 <Sharron> AnnaBelle: Need a front end style guide
16:48:44 <Sharron> Brent: need 30,000 foot view first
16:50:39 <Sharron> James: Spend lot of time discussing our preferences nd could spend less time if we had data. It will slow down at first but the more we can test the better. Mock up top nav, side nav, mega menus and measure performance on all of them.
16:51:40 <Sharron> Topic: Prioritize updates and revisions
16:52:11 <Sharron> Brent: This afternoon we must do as much as possible on web accessibility perspectives. Most people seem OK with publishing now.
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16:56:41 <yatil> ack s
16:56:44 <yatil> q+ susan
16:56:57 <yatil> ack s
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17:03:23 <shawn> fyi - I haven't been able to review perspectives page yet  :(
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17:03:41 <shawn> q+ to  visbility
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17:04:05 <Brent> ack shawn
17:04:05 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to visbility
17:05:58 <Brent> ack James
17:06:01 <yatil> ack j
17:06:14 <yatil> q+ shawn
17:06:52 <yatil> q+ to make suggestion
17:07:09 <yatil> ack s
17:08:12 <Brent> ack yatil
17:08:12 <Zakim> yatil, you wanted to make suggestion
17:12:34 <Sharron> James: If we did real user testing on every resource with actual users, we would not have that problem.
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17:13:39 <Sharron> Shawn: We don't like long discussion and get impatient and want to make quick descisions and move on - then we get some title and or resources that don't work.
17:14:05 <shadi> [[wonders if user testing is the public review stage?]]
17:14:19 <Sharron> Susan: We don't just get impatient, we become ineffective becasue we are an echo chamber.
17:14:20 <yatil> q+ shadi
17:14:26 <Sharron> James: need user testing
17:14:47 <Ryladog> q+
17:16:21 <Sharron> Brent: So we have decised to split into groups - one for working on the resource itself, one for working on the outreach plan and Sharron and AB for setting up the web planning process.
17:17:16 <Sharron> s/decised/decided
17:18:03 <shawn> q?
17:18:15 <Brent> ack shadi
17:18:16 <shadi> ack me
17:18:16 <shawn> ack sh
17:18:16 <yatil> ack r
17:18:25 <shawn> ack  ry
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18:26:41 <Brent> me/ okay, thanks
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18:34:55 <shawn> hi shadi -  we're connecting with Katie's cmputer which is known to have good sound
18:40:02 <shadi> http://w3c.github.io/wai-showcase-examples/Overview.html
18:40:20 <Brent> Topic: Web Accessibility Perspectives (content)
18:40:34 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/wai-showcase-examples/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Aquestion
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18:42:33 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/wai-showcase-examples/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3A%22applies+to+multiple%22
18:46:26 <shawn> scrbie: Shawn
18:46:34 <shawn> scribe: Shawn
18:47:04 <shawn> Topic: Perspectives pages
18:47:27 <shawn> RESOLUTION: Issue 209 -  make all nested lists
18:47:33 <Brent> +1
18:51:55 <shawn> RESOLUTION: Issue 201 - leave as is paragraphs (nature of info not fit in bulleted lists of directives)
18:52:56 <shadi> https://github.com/w3c/wai-showcase-examples/issues/135
18:59:26 <shawn> q+ to say left nav
19:00:11 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/bcase/
19:02:04 <shawn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/gettingstarted/tips/writing.html
19:02:13 <shadi> slh: option - link the heading to go back
19:07:11 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/tutorials/images/textual/
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19:15:56 <Sharron> AnnaBelle: Premature to do card sorting
19:16:20 <Sharron> ...need some real usability testing even if  just on wire frames
19:17:42 <Sharron> ...user testing on a show string
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19:43:55 <shawn> thinkgs being logged in GitHuub instead of here
19:59:12 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the [business] benefits in different situations."
20:00:22 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the [business] benefits for everyone in different situations."
20:00:39 <shawn> subhead: Explore the Impact and Benefits for Everyone
20:01:38 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the benefits for everyone in different situations."
20:02:09 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the benefits for everyone in verious situations."
20:02:16 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the benefits for everyone in a variety situations."
20:02:25 <shadi> "Learn about the impact of accessibility and the benefits for everyone in a variety of situations."
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20:50:03 <shawn> Topic: Perspectiveds Outreaach
20:50:52 <shawn> s/Perspectiveds Outreaach/Perspectives Outreach
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21:13:27 <shadi> q+ to ask about GAAD focus
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21:14:49 <yatil> W3C Facebook Page: https://www.facebook.com/thew3c/?fref=ts
21:15:19 <Brent> ack shawn
21:15:19 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say left nav
21:15:24 <Brent> ack Shadi
21:15:24 <Zakim> shadi, you wanted to ask about GAAD focus
21:15:39 <yatil> W3C LinkedIn Page: https://www.linkedin.com/company/13165
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21:25:31 <Brent> Ack Shadi
21:25:53 <Howard> q+ Howard
21:26:06 <Ryladog> q+
21:29:18 <shawn> q+
21:30:33 <shadi> "Take a look at WAI's Web Accessibility Perspectives videos #a11y #gaad
21:30:44 <Brent> ack howard
21:30:53 <shawn> ack shawn
21:30:57 <Brent> ack ryladog
21:31:23 <yatil> [Take a new look new web accessibility with the @W3C_WAI Web Accessibility Perspectives videos https://w3.org #watchA11y #a11y #GAAD] – 140 Chars
21:32:10 <shadi> New videos - Experience web accessibility perspectives #a11y #gaad
21:32:56 <shadi> [why take a *NEW* look? there was no older look]
21:33:57 <shadi> New take - videos on web accessibility perspectives #a11y #gaad
21:34:10 <shadi> add handle "#perspectives"?
21:34:12 <shawn> q+ to say catch phrase & subtitle
21:34:25 <Susan> #perspectives too loong
21:34:40 <shadi> Essential for some - useful for all: videos on web accessibility perspectives #a11y #gaad
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21:36:58 <yatil> [Tune in to our videos to get new perspective on web accessibility w/ @W3C_WAI #a11y Perspectives https://w3.org #watchA11y #GAAD]
21:37:14 <shadi> s/our/ ?
21:37:22 <shawn> q?
21:37:45 <shawn> ack me
21:37:45 <Zakim> shawn, you wanted to say catch phrase & subtitle
21:37:49 <Howard> [Change the web, change the world – learn how to make the web more accessible. #watchA11y videos from #w3c.]
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21:38:39 <shadi> web accessibility: essential for some, useful for all #a11y #gaad
21:38:49 <shadi> web accessibility videos: essential for some, useful for all #a11y #gaad
21:39:08 <shadi> videos - web accessibility: essential for some, useful for all #a11y #gaad
21:53:10 <Brent> Wiki link for the Perspectives outreach plan. (and larger EO outreach plan) : https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/Showcase_Examples_with_Videos/Outreach_Plan
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