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15:00:48 <AdrianHB> Present+
15:01:41 <AdrianHB> Scribe: AdrianHB
15:02:44 <danmiller> these recent openssl ASN.1 parser issues worry me about the crypto-conditions encoding. But hopefully OER is less crazy to work with
15:03:28 <AdrianHB> Topic: Updated five-bells code for new crypto-conditions
15:04:30 <dimitri> https://bluejeans.com/795795755/
15:04:34 <AdrianHB> If you are dialing in for the call it's just started
15:05:51 <AdrianHB> Stefan: quick update.
15:06:01 <AdrianHB> ... some major changes to reference implementations
15:06:17 <AdrianHB> ...lots of contributors to crypto-conditions spec now stable
15:06:26 <AdrianHB> ...time to update the code to match
15:07:03 <AdrianHB> ...we've also used crypto-conditions for signing the notifications
15:07:23 <AdrianHB> ...actually sped things up (uses some built in crypto libs)
15:07:32 <AdrianHB> ...internal feedback has been good
15:07:49 <AdrianHB> ...nicely abstracted so can use as drop in lib
15:07:56 <AdrianHB> ...esp for multi-sig
15:08:10 <AdrianHB> ...will be a lot of uses outside of just ILP
15:08:21 <AdrianHB> ...seen some inbound interest for others
15:08:34 <AdrianHB> ...still some issues about naming (some people aren't happy)
15:08:50 <AdrianHB> ...want to be careful that we don't make it confusing
15:09:18 <AdrianHB> ...lots of people now using them so don't want to change prefixes
15:09:38 <AdrianHB> ...cc are also more general than sigs so don't want to use sigs
15:10:24 <AdrianHB> topic: Routing
15:10:47 <AdrianHB> Stefan: working ona writeup on how we think it should work
15:11:14 <AdrianHB> ... considers some of the ideas on the mailing list (thanks contributors)
15:11:38 <AdrianHB> ... one of the biggest changes is an idea taken from how routing works in TCP/IP stack
15:11:45 <AdrianHB> ... routing not done by sender
15:12:22 <AdrianHB> ... most efficinet routing is to route for local environment
15:12:42 <AdrianHB> ... will have good knowledge and can cache routes
15:12:59 <AdrianHB> ... so proposal is to do incremental routing
15:13:31 <AdrianHB> ... reliability of routes can be determined by ledgers as they have some data on connectors they use
15:13:52 <AdrianHB> ... difference from Internet is trying to avoid an equivalent of IANA
15:14:07 <AdrianHB> ... proposal is to use Interledger to pay to advertise routes
15:14:37 <AdrianHB> ... there is a prototype which are in PRs on connector, ledger, and sender etc
15:14:47 <xavier> "will have good knowledge and can cache routes"
15:14:49 <AdrianHB> ... early days though so consider unstable and please give input
15:14:53 <xavier> I like where this is going.
15:15:04 <xavier> would like to discuss later (tomorrow?) on this channel
15:15:19 <xavier> same for this "reliability of routes can be determined by ledgers as they have some data on connectors they use"
15:15:37 <xavier> justmoon: +1
15:16:31 <AdrianHB> stefan: correction - neighbouring connectors will maintain this data
15:16:42 <AdrianHB> ... intent is to keep functionality in connectors
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15:17:17 <xavier> "neighbouring connectors will maintain this data" good for me
15:17:49 <justmoon> dimitri: Woo, crypto-condition HYPE! :)
15:17:52 <AdrianHB> dimitri: is now using crypto-conditions as a base for all transactions and works perfectly
15:18:28 <AdrianHB> ... what would be a great demonstrator for us would be to run with another ledger and prove connectivity
15:18:39 <AdrianHB> ... what is the effort to get this up?
15:19:02 <xavier> I'm looking forward to the write up. hafta go now but will be on this channel later/tomorrow
15:19:21 <AdrianHB> evan: in theory, in the connector code you just add a ledger plugin
15:19:23 <justmoon> xavier: Cool! Thanks for stopping by!
15:19:36 <AdrianHB> ... it's a bit old and so there are some hard-coded assumptions in other places
15:19:47 <xavier> justmoon: sorry now is night time on my side of the planet
15:19:48 <AdrianHB> ... need to clean those up
15:20:13 <AdrianHB> dimitri: can I get some help as we try this
15:20:15 <AdrianHB> evan: yes
15:22:05 <AdrianHB> stefan: I got a lot of calls about why we weren't at Consensys. Thanks for those that were there who were talking about ILP
15:22:37 <AdrianHB> ... we know that we need to do better with outreach but are trying to balance adding noise to the group with some quick early progress
15:23:06 <AdrianHB> ... we think we have gotten to a a good level of maturity where we can be more proactive about getting more input
15:24:23 <dimitri> https://medium.com/the-bigchaindb-blog/w3c-interledger-protocol-workshop-what-happened-and-what-s-coming-next-f02e8c0e9a9e#.utglr6x4y
15:26:52 <AdrianHB> topic: cc test suite
15:27:20 <AdrianHB> stefan: working on design of test suite and trying to find the ways it could break and document those
15:27:47 <AdrianHB> ... also starting to write and implementation of that that will enable a data driven test suite
15:28:13 <AdrianHB> ... quote a few different language implementations being talked about so this is becoming a crucial req
15:28:52 <AdrianHB> ... lots of exploits caused by edge cases in crypto algos so need to test for standard behaviour
15:29:01 <AdrianHB> ... hope to share test plan soon
15:31:05 <AdrianHB> topic: Updates to Five Bells Demo
15:31:39 <AdrianHB> stefan: no updates for a while. Now uses latest package versions but also switched ledger notifications from webhooks to websockets
15:31:58 <AdrianHB> ... websockets are a little more lightweight
15:32:21 <AdrianHB> ... the change removes reliability of delivery
15:32:46 <AdrianHB> ... the realization was that ILP already accounts for lost notifications
15:33:02 <AdrianHB> ... this also made the demo much faster
15:33:28 <AdrianHB> ... next change will be to implement the new routing logic which should increase speed significantly esp for large test nets
15:34:34 <justmoon> as AdrianHB said, gotta run! thanks all!!
15:34:38 <AdrianHB> topic: OWPS
15:34:58 <AdrianHB> evan: we've been discussing the diff between the ledger and the wallet
15:35:22 <AdrianHB> ... ledger is lower level and wallet implements some "application layer" stuff on top
15:36:33 <emschwartz> * Custom condition logic
15:36:33 <emschwartz> * Custom memos (as objects)
15:36:33 <emschwartz> * Websocket notifications
15:36:33 <emschwartz> * Webfinger address resolution (just so users don’t have to type ledger account on login)
15:36:33 <emschwartz> * Simple, unchanging API for sending payments (don’t want to include f-b-sender)
15:36:33 <AdrianHB> https://github.com/interledger/specs/blob/gh-pages/0001-interledger-architecture.md
15:36:35 <emschwartz> * Simple API for pathfinding (needed for normalizing amounts in sender’s currency)
15:36:35 <emschwartz> * All of these would ideally work with any ledger
15:37:10 <AdrianHB> evan: these are the functions of the application layer protocol that are needed
15:38:20 <AdrianHB> ... the idea is that developers can get a lib that implements this and building on ILP is easier
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16:34:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-interledger-minutes.html AdrianHB
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