15:46:10 RRSAgent has joined #apa 15:46:10 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc 15:46:12 RRSAgent, make logs world 15:46:12 Zakim has joined #apa 15:46:14 Zakim, this will be 15:46:14 I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot 15:46:15 Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference 15:46:15 Date: 04 May 2016 15:46:18 agenda? 15:46:49 janina has changed the topic to: APA Teleconference; Wednesday May 4 at 16:00Z; Webex 647 857 439 15:46:55 agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes 15:46:55 agenda+ Web Payments Mixup; Reschedule Next week? -- Janina 15:46:55 agenda+ TPAC 2016 Planning [See Below] 15:46:55 agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8 15:46:56 agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html 15:46:57 agenda+ Action-2031 Credentialing http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2031 15:47:00 agenda+ CSS -- Updates and Next Steps 15:47:02 agenda+ HTML Resurrecting H1-H6? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2016Apr/0053.html 15:47:05 agenda+ Action-2023 Pointer Lock http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2016Apr/0033.html 15:47:08 agenda+ Other Business 15:47:11 agenda+ next and future meetings 15:47:13 agenda+ be done 15:47:37 agenda? 15:50:56 [In regards to resurrecting HTML H1-H6, we are *keeping* them, as they have always been. We have removed the suggestion to use the outline algorithm, and nested section elements with h1 everywhere as if it was automatically assigned the right level. Because it isn't.] 15:52:52 [People have suggested resurrecting the h element as one that gets its level from running the document outline algorithm. That suggestion should be followed up in the WICG incubator to get some traction with implementation first. In particular, it needs to explain the story for getting the right level information to the accessibility API - which was a fatal problem for the nested section/h1 approach] 15:52:57 Thanks for the update, Chaals. 15:53:24 Rich has joined #apa 15:53:55 Yes, we're not expecting her for another couple weeks. I'll convey, as I believe we're not yet recording for minutes. 15:55:28 OK, Rich, thanks! 15:58:25 present+ Joanmarie_Diggs 15:58:47 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:58:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-minutes.html chaals 15:58:53 JF has joined #apa 15:59:24 s/Yes, we're not expecting her for another couple weeks. I'll convey, as I believe we're not yet recording for minutes.// 15:59:38 s/OK, Rich, thanks!// 15:59:55 present+ ShaneM 16:00:45 regrets: Leonie, Michiel 16:00:51 Chair: Janina 16:00:54 present+ Janina 16:01:19 zakim, next item 16:01:19 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:01:36 present+ JF 16:03:30 scribe: JF 16:03:35 agenda? 16:03:38 fesch has joined #apa 16:04:08 JS: waiting on others, but will start 16:04:50 JS: overview of agenda 16:05:10 present+ MichaelC 16:05:24 JS: any good news? 16:05:34 zakim, take up item 2 16:05:34 agendum 2. "Web Payments Mixup; Reschedule Next week? -- Janina" taken up [from janina] 16:05:55 JS: error on web payment scheduling 16:06:12 JS: when should we take up the next call? 16:06:22 SM: fine to meet next week 16:06:30 JS: will schedule that call then 16:06:42 zakim, take up next item 16:06:42 agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina] 16:06:53 zakim, close item 1 16:06:53 agendum 1, preview agenda with items from two minutes, closed 16:06:54 I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 16:06:54 3. TPAC 2016 Planning [from See Below via janina] 16:07:01 zakim, take up item 3 16:07:01 agendum 3. "TPAC 2016 Planning" taken up [from See Below via janina] 16:07:28 JS: expecting to be quite busy at TPAC - more details to follow 16:07:44 JS: remember that it is in Spetember, start collecting agenda proposal ideas 16:07:58 JS: also, are there other groups we need/want to meet with 16:08:07 will be looking to firm this up by JUne/July 16:08:12 zakim, next item, 16:08:12 I don't understand 'next item,', JF 16:08:19 zakim, take up next item 16:08:19 agendum 4. "Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/products/8" taken up [from janina] 16:08:54 Action-2033 16:08:54 Action-2033 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope -- due 2016-05-04 -- OPEN 16:08:54 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2033 16:10:01 SM: will need to investigate this - thought that the action had been closed/responded to 16:10:13 action-2033 due 1 week 16:10:13 Set action-2033 Review https://www.w3.org/tr/tracking-compliance/ tracking compliance and scope due date to 2016-05-11. 16:10:20 Action-2032 16:10:20 Action-2032 -- Janina Sajka to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/mediastream-recording/ mediastream recording -- due 2016-05-04 -- OPEN 16:10:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2032 16:10:32 JS: reviewed this, and did not see any issues 16:10:55 chaals has joined #apa 16:11:01 JS: they explicetly mention capturing *all* media tracks (which would include descr4ibed audio, P-in=P sign langugae, tec) 16:11:14 close action-2032 16:11:14 Closed action-2032. 16:11:23 Action-2030 16:11:23 Action-2030 -- John Foliot to See if reporting api 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/reporting-1/ has applicability to a11y policy reporting -- due 2016-05-04 -- OPEN 16:11:23 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2030 16:11:56 action-2030 due 1 week 16:11:56 Set action-2030 See if reporting api 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/reporting-1/ has applicability to a11y policy reporting due date to 2016-05-11. 16:12:37 Action-2027 16:12:37 Action-2027 -- John Foliot to Solicit gregg vanderheiden review of secure contexts https://www.w3.org/tr/powerful-features/ -- due 2016-04-27 -- OPEN 16:12:37 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2027 16:13:50 MC: multiple folks need to comment on this 16:13:58 ACTION-2023 16:13:58 ACTION-2023 -- Léonie Watson to John to ask Aaron for input on Pointer Lock https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerlock/ -- due 2016-04-14 -- OPEN 16:13:58 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2023 16:15:03 action-2023 due 2 weeks 16:15:03 Set action-2023 John to ask Aaron for input on Pointer Lock https://www.w3.org/TR/pointerlock/ due date to 2016-05-18. 16:15:10 JACtion-2022 16:15:20 Action-2022 16:15:20 Action-2022 -- Michael Cooper to Figure out what we previously did on annotation specs -- due 2016-04-13 -- PENDINGREVIEW 16:15:20 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2022 16:15:34 MC: we need to review this spec still 16:15:44 SM: happy to take that on 16:16:05 close action-2022 16:16:05 Closed action-2022. 16:16:30 Action-2021 16:16:30 Action-2021 -- Michael Cooper to Review css scrolll snap points module level 1 https://www.w3.org/tr/css-snappoints-1/. -- due 2016-04-06 -- PENDINGREVIEW 16:16:30 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2021 16:16:44 MC: we looked at this about a year ago - Janina had some concerns 16:16:58 MC: there may be a setting - we may ask to make this global 16:17:12 MC: will right this up, but could not find the earlier response 16:17:31 close action-2021 16:17:31 Closed action-2021. 16:17:38 Action-2018 16:17:38 Action-2018 -- John Foliot to Get deque review of cooperative scheduling of background tasks https://www.w3.org/tr/requestidlecallback/ -- due 2016-04-27 -- OPEN 16:17:38 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2018 16:18:13 close action-2018 16:18:14 Closed action-2018. 16:18:26 JF: feedback was that this was interesting but not high value at this time 16:18:34 Action-2011 16:18:34 Action-2011 -- Janina Sajka to Janina to draft examples of how the hand-wavey stuff in CSS Transitions accessibility statement could be solidified -- due 2016-04-13 -- OPEN 16:18:34 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2011 16:18:53 JS: forwarded this to Michiel, awaiting feedback 16:18:59 MC: re-assign? 16:19:03 JS: no leave with me 16:19:14 zakim, take up next item 16:19:14 agendum 5. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina] 16:19:36 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/ CSS Scroll Snap Points Module Level 1 16:19:51 MC: we should create an action item 16:19:52 action: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/ CSS Scroll Snap Points Module Level 1 16:19:52 Created ACTION-2034 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/css-snappoints-1/ css scroll snap points module level 1 [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-05-11]. 16:20:25 MC: 3 web annotation specs 16:20:39 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model 16:20:40 propose giving Shane a bulk action to review all 3 16:21:00 SM: there is no "there there" - there is no UI, so likely no impact 16:21:00 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol 16:21:11 MC: likely true, but recall being nervous about this 16:21:16 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/ Web Annotation Vocabulary 16:21:31 JS: can image that, but it is likely how it is implemented in the UI 16:21:42 action: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model, https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol, https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/ Web Annotation Vocabulary 16:21:42 Created ACTION-2035 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-model/ web annotation data model, https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-protocol/ web annotation protocol, https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-vocab/ web annotation vocabulary [on Shane McCarron - due 2016-05-11]. 16:21:45 JSi.e. how you know it is annotated, how you access it, etc. 16:21:52 SM: similar to noteref issue 16:22:17 SM: SpecOps is builiding out the tests, but I've been looking at this intensely 16:22:28 action-2035? 16:22:28 action-2035 -- Shane McCarron to Review https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-model/ web annotation data model, https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-protocol/ web annotation protocol, https://www.w3.org/tr/annotation-vocab/ web annotation vocabulary -- due 2016-05-11 -- OPEN 16:22:28 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2035 16:22:34 Rich has joined #apa 16:22:34 CS: there may be some cross-over with the ARIA stuff 16:23:07 MC: some WG Notes that we can likely skip over 16:23:12 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-accessibility/ Digital Publishing and Accessibility in W3C Documents 16:23:37 MC: recollection is that it is documenting some accessibility requirements 16:24:00 action: janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-accessibility/ Digital Publishing and Accessibility in W3C Documents 16:24:01 Created ACTION-2036 - Review https://www.w3.org/tr/dpub-accessibility/ digital publishing and accessibility in w3c documents [on Janina Sajka - due 2016-05-11]. 16:24:09 JS: interested in reading through this. Based on a question heard earlier this week. "Does W3C have best practices on..." 16:24:48 MC: Unicode in XML and other markup languages 16:24:48 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/unicode-xml/ Unicode in XML and other Markup Languages 16:25:36 MC: some payment specs not looked at, but suspect the sub-team is looking at this 16:26:06 JS: this shold be with the Product there 16:26:14 s/shold/should 16:26:25 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/selection-api/ Selection API 16:27:12 Joanie: I looked at this a long time ago - this may have changed since then, may need a second look 16:27:18 JS: agreed 16:27:27 action: joanie to re-review https://www.w3.org/TR/selection-api/ Selection API 16:27:27 Created ACTION-2037 - Re-review https://www.w3.org/tr/selection-api/ selection api [on Joanmarie Diggs - due 2016-05-11]. 16:27:51 zakim, take up next item 16:27:51 agendum 6. "Action-2031 Credentialing http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2031" taken up [from janina] 16:28:26 FE: really, this is a low-level API, but wanders into areas with minor concrens 16:28:40 Section 5, the usage of images in authrentication, etc. 16:28:57 FE: but we should continue to monitor this 16:29:24 FE: believe this may also be of interest to COGA 16:29:45 q+ to mention relation to custom passwords fields (sorry to say the 'p' word again) ;) 16:30:06 ack j 16:30:06 joanie, you wanted to mention relation to custom passwords fields (sorry to say the 'p' word again) ;) 16:30:07 there is a non-normative example around a chooser - have notified Lisa S that there may be a COGA issue here 16:31:10 Joanie: notes that the locked icon in the browsaer address bar is not being exposed to AT 16:31:20 this surfaced in the APA password role discussion 16:31:44 there is nothing today that is related to this. 16:32:09 JS: this seems to be a piece of the larger discussion around updating authentication 16:32:37 do our APIs have a role to play there? - i.e. when the lock is present, taht the ATs report that somehow (perhaps a different voice) 16:33:00 CS; in the browsser UI, that icon is an image with an alt text. When the state changes that is announced 16:33:18 JS: that may be enough, or we may consider asking more 16:34:15 JS: in terms of what to do next... agree that we should probably revisit this 16:34:47 MC: we can mark it in the wiki as deferred, and we can set a due date of 6 months down the road [sic] 16:34:49 q+ to ask if we need a mechanism to spin off small AAMs on specs like this 16:35:07 SM: web payments actually don't extend to this 16:35:17 ack j 16:35:17 joanie, you wanted to ask if we need a mechanism to spin off small AAMs on specs like this 16:35:17 rrsagent, make minutes 16:35:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-minutes.html MichaelC 16:35:36 joanie: sounds like an area where we may need to have a "mini" AAM spec 16:35:59 something that defines the credentialling API - if we agree that we need this, then "how" is the next question 16:36:41 MC: we don't have a formal mechansim to do that, although we are doing this today informally - this was anticipated inthe chartering 16:36:52 q? 16:37:37 Joanie: concern about waiting 6 months, and arriving then with nothing. Suggest we start the discussion sooner rather than later 16:37:48 MC: agree that we should start working on this then 16:37:56 perhaps we need to look at time-frames 16:38:13 JS: this may be a TPAC discussion (since TPAC is less than 6 months from now) 16:38:15 +1 for TPAC agenda item 16:38:34 JS: suspect taht authentication will be a larger discussion topic at TPAC 16:38:53 FE: perhaps we should be asking for an "AAM" section in *their* spec 16:38:57 Q+ 16:39:26 ack j 16:40:14 CS: perhaps just make it a pull request. (we provide the editorial, but they own the final output) 16:40:43 MC: if we get to the point of specifying mapping, then we should have a larger discussion on strategic methodology 16:41:02 however, it sounds here that we want to get started sooner rather than later 16:41:15 JS: sounds like a couple of action items here 16:41:47 FE: thinks they need to be aware of it - there are only SHOULDS in there, as some things are still missing 16:42:59 JS: outside of discussing this with Lisa, should we establish a stub in the ARIA work 16:43:05 need to discuss with Rich first 16:44:36 action: Fred to raise [https://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1] for re-review - due 6 months 16:44:36 'Fred' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., fesch, fredvogel). 16:44:44 action: esch to raise [https://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1] for re-review - due 6 months 16:44:44 Created ACTION-2038 - Raise [https://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ credential management level 1] for re-review [on Fred Esch - due 2016-11-04]. 16:44:52 action-2038? 16:44:52 action-2038 -- Fred Esch to Raise [https://www.w3.org/tr/credential-management-1/ credential management level 1] for re-review -- due 2016-11-04 -- OPEN 16:44:52 http://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2038 16:45:06 Present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger 16:45:45 close action-2031 16:45:45 Closed action-2031. 16:47:28 [meta discussion on methodology - all part of a larger authenticaiton discussion] 16:47:49 JS: we will continue to coordinate on this as timeline progresses 16:49:13 zakim, take up next item 16:49:13 agendum 7. "CSS -- Updates and Next Steps" taken up [from janina] 16:49:35 JS: this is aholder, but not much to discuss today due to missing participants on call 16:49:56 JS: notes that there is a lot of hand-waving - want more specificity 16:50:19 JS: what is our stance/position on Flex Box? 16:50:46 JS: should likey request a status update on CS WG 16:50:56 zakim, take up next item 16:50:56 agendum 8. "HTML Resurrecting H1-H6? http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2016Apr/0053.html" taken up [from janina] 16:51:16 JS: noted that there were some comments from Chaals on this 16:52:20 MC: will look to insert Chaal's earlier comments into the minutes 16:52:32 question around outline algorithm 16:54:09 [ Chaals comments] 16:54:40 SM: have a comment/question - thinks there is a mis-statment there, perhaps we should ask for clarrification 16:56:07 JS: th emagic nesting thing is proposed as being removed from HTML5.1, and moved to the WICG for additional work 16:56:29 s/th emagic/the magic 16:56:50 MC: sad to see this die off - the HTML AAM does not speak to thisnow 16:57:08 CS: it does not, and from an implementation perspective this is not easy 16:57:41 JS: notes that this is not dead yet, but that there are issues - which is why it has been moved to the CG for now 16:57:55 JS: if dPub wants to see this move forward, they should be pointed there 17:01:45 fesch has left #apa 17:03:25 jamesn has joined #apa 17:03:30 jnurthen has joined #apa 17:49:04 chaals has joined #apa 19:29:31 Rich has joined #apa 20:34:19 rrsagent, make minutes 20:34:19 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-minutes.html MichaelC 20:34:27 rrsagent, bye 20:34:27 I see 6 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-actions.rdf : 20:34:27 ACTION: Janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/css-snappoints-1/ CSS Scroll Snap Points Module Level 1 [1] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-19-52 20:34:27 ACTION: Shane to review https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-model/ Web Annotation Data Model, https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-protocol/ Web Annotation Protocol, https://www.w3.org/TR/annotation-vocab/ Web Annotation Vocabulary [2] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-21-42 20:34:27 ACTION: janina to review https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-accessibility/ Digital Publishing and Accessibility in W3C Documents [3] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-24-00 20:34:27 ACTION: joanie to re-review https://www.w3.org/TR/selection-api/ Selection API [4] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-27-27 20:34:27 ACTION: Fred to raise [https://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1] for re-review - due 6 months [5] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-44-36 20:34:27 ACTION: esch to raise [https://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1] for re-review - due 6 months [6] 20:34:27 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/05/04-apa-irc#T16-44-44 20:34:29 zakim, bye 20:34:29 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Joanmarie_Diggs, ShaneM, Janina, JF, MichaelC, Rich_Schwerdtfeger 20:34:29 Zakim has left #apa