12:57:13 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:57:13 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-irc 12:57:15 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:57:15 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:57:17 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:57:17 ok, trackbot 12:57:18 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:57:18 Date: 29 April 2016 12:57:25 RRSAgent, make logs public 12:58:37 annette_g has joined #dwbp 12:58:48 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 13:00:52 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 13:01:04 newton has joined #dwbp 13:02:53 Present+ Caroline_ 13:03:04 deirdrelee has joined #dwbp 13:03:12 present+ annette_g 13:03:28 PWinstanley has joined #dwbp 13:04:02 Makx has joined #dwbp 13:04:36 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:04:47 present+ antoine 13:04:48 Makx has joined #dwbp 13:05:01 present+ phila_ 13:05:23 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:05:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html phila 13:05:56 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:06:02 present+ ericstephan 13:06:10 yep 13:06:16 pw i have not working 13:06:33 present+ BernadetteLoscio 13:06:37 dahhh 13:06:55 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:07:47 present+ 13:08:01 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20160429 13:08:07 chair: Dee 13:08:35 deirdrelee: Main focus today is all the activity that's been going on around the BP doc 13:08:41 scribe please? 13:08:56 zakim, pick a victim 13:08:56 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Caroline_ 13:09:00 zakim, pick a victim 13:09:00 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose phila_ 13:09:02 zakim, pick a victim 13:09:02 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose phila_ 13:09:16 zakim, pick another victim 13:09:16 I don't understand 'pick another victim', phila 13:09:19 zakim, pick a victim 13:09:19 Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Caroline_ 13:09:31 scribe: Caroline_ 13:09:37 scribeNick: Caroline_ 13:09:41 present+ riccardoAlbertoni 13:09:43 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes 13:09:50 +1 13:09:51 +1 13:09:57 0 absent 13:09:59 present+ deirdrelee 13:09:59 +1 13:10:01 +1 13:10:03 +1 13:10:10 RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes https://www.w3.org/2016/04/22-dwbp-minutes 13:10:10 0 absent 13:10:22 +1 13:10:25 Topic: BP Doc 13:10:26 deirdrelee: about teh BP document 13:10:46 present+ laufer 13:11:20 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:11:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html phila 13:11:23 Caroline_: thanks to everyone, there were a lot of meetings and mail exchanges that helped the doc a lot 13:11:27 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft 13:11:50 ... regarding the table here on comments to be considered, we started this thinking there would only be a couple, but now it's huge 13:12:21 ... we sent an email yesterday with all the commits we did, the resolved updates in the document 13:12:26 -> w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html Lastest editors' draft 13:12:30 gatemezi has joined #dwbp 13:12:35 ... i don't know if you had a chance to take a look 13:13:01 BernadetteLoscio: in the column of the table, we have resolution/implementation 13:13:20 ... some are in red because they have not been implemented yet or have been partially resolution 13:13:41 ... we made a lot of progress. for the comments we resolved, there is a commit for each comment 13:13:44 q+ 13:13:49 scribe: Caroline_ 13:14:10 ack me 13:14:11 deirdrelee: is there any big change in terms of BP being added or removed? 13:14:21 BernadetteLoscio: the biggest changes are on the data vocabulary section 13:14:39 ... the 2 BPs about reuse vocabs and standardized terms were merged 13:14:47 ... new they became BP 15 13:15:03 ... on data preservation section Phil did a review and changed some of the BPs 13:15:09 ... maybe Phila could talk about it 13:15:26 ... we also had changes on usage and use terms 13:15:30 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse 13:15:48 ... we proposed with annette_g and ericstephan to write "republication' 13:16:04 .... on the section http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#Reuse 13:16:33 -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1eSTt3A6kTfXYTcVMt5VGDardLIk8b7FnsgENpCuNRBA/edit#gid=0 Subtitles 13:16:43 -> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0 Intended Outcomes 13:17:02 ... annette_g and phila worked on subtitles 13:17:03 It's the first time I see the use of the term "republication" in a doc on reusing data 13:17:15 ... we can discuss the API 13:17:36 ... we need some help with the BP access real time 13:17:56 table: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft items 43 and 58 13:18:09 ... the BP is the one bellow 13:18:11 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#AccessRealTime 13:18:29 ... we had some discussions about it with annette_g 13:18:40 we need some help with the approach to implementation and the example 13:18:46 q? 13:18:53 ... to improve the approach to implementation and the example 13:19:41 I think we were hoping to find someone with experience with streaming 13:19:54 q+ 13:19:57 PWinstanley: I will take a look on the comments 13:20:05 ... it is the BP ericstephan and I did 13:20:12 ... we have loads of information on that 13:20:32 I can help 13:20:33 ack ericstephan 13:20:34 ack erics 13:20:35 BernadetteLoscio: annette_g would you have time to talk about it? 13:20:40 annette_g: yes 13:20:54 q+ 13:21:03 ericstephan: I haven't had a chance to look at those comments yet 13:21:07 ack annette_g 13:21:10 ... I'd like to help 13:21:21 annette_g: the things we need help with was the idea of streaming 13:21:29 I am working with streaming data 13:21:33 ... it is a point about real time data 13:21:46 deirdrelee: ericstephan, PWinstanley and annette_g can discuss that 13:21:49 yay Eric! 13:21:50 BernadetteLoscio: thank you 13:21:51 and time series databases that collect streaming data (influxdb) 13:21:52 In think streaming is different from real time data 13:21:54 :) 13:22:06 BernadetteLoscio: about the API documentation 13:22:09 Makx has joined #dwbp 13:22:22 ... item comments bellow 13:22:27 Hmmm.. because you can also have real time streaming data ... 13:22:28 67, 45, 46 and 61 13:22:54 ... there are mainly about the examples 13:23:01 We can have a video stream... 13:23:07 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:23:12 ... because the examples are related to geospatial data 13:23:23 it is different of an array of sensor information published in real time 13:23:27 I suggest to have the definition in the glossary of the two terms 13:23:28 ... there is the link for the BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:23:42 s/67/ 13:23:53 ... about the examples 13:24:10 deirdrelee: you are looking for good examples that are not from the geospatial domain? 13:24:14 q+ 13:24:20 BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if we had a real example 13:24:38 ... we discussed that would be nice if we had an example of API that also shows the documentation 13:24:45 https://arrayofthings.github.io/ 13:24:47 deirdrelee: I should be able to help with that 13:25:21 action for deirdrelee help with the example of BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:25:21 Error finding 'for'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:25:45 action to deirdrelee help with the example of BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:25:45 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:25:49 action: deirdrelee to help with the example of BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:25:49 Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:25:56 action: lee to help with the example of BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:25:56 'lee' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., dlee8, klee5). 13:26:06 action: deirdre to help with the example of BP http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentYourAPI 13:26:06 Created ACTION-275 - Help with the example of bp http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#documentyourapi [on Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-06]. 13:26:20 q? 13:26:43 phila: this new data usa site is a visualization site , an app that would be a good example of gatemezi point 13:26:54 ... it give us an example of reuse 13:27:06 ack annette_g 13:27:22 -> -> http://datausa.io DataUSA 13:27:22 q+ 13:27:26 -> http://datausa.io DataUSA 13:27:31 annette_g: about the API 13:27:39 deirdrelee: if it is documentation about the API 13:27:53 annette_g: we were thinking for both 13:28:10 ... if we build a API sample and check the documentation to see how it work 13:28:27 BernadetteLoscio: that would be good because we can also use the API as an example for other BPs 13:28:30 ack ericstephan 13:28:38 q+ to ask if the API could be functional 13:28:42 ericstephan: PWinstanley and I found that 13:28:53 ... we could show an example using an API collectiong real time data 13:28:55 Cool that DataUSA phila 13:29:07 ... I wrote a HTML form useing a DWBP example 13:29:13 ... I put in our repository 13:29:19 dwbp-realtime-example.html 13:29:21 ... just to let eveyone know 13:29:29 deirdrelee: I will look at that 13:29:31 maybe this could help - http://www.markus-lanthaler.com/hydra/ 13:29:39 @phila I spend some time trying to find a way of solve that issue with the fragment urls on the dwbp-example and I did it: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-example.html#dataset-structural-metadata 13:29:45 BernadetteLoscio: it would be nice if it is using the same example we have about transports 13:29:54 ericstephan: we try to build about bus crossing 13:30:04 ... we tried to came back to the bus scenario 13:30:19 deirdrelee: BernadetteLoscio and I will take a look on that 13:30:26 yes that's fine 13:30:28 I can take a look also :) 13:30:36 I just wanted you to know if helpful 13:30:37 q? 13:30:48 ack phila 13:30:48 phila, you wanted to ask if the API could be functional 13:30:49 phila: do you want to have a function API? 13:30:57 ... it would be as simple as possible 13:31:03 javascript with a json object in the html 13:31:04 I like the idea :) 13:31:08 ... a real function API for fictional buses 13:31:12 ack me 13:31:36 ericstephan: when we talked about it a couple of weeks back people said that we shouldn't do something that might desapear 13:31:50 q+ 13:33:02 q+ 13:33:07 +1 phila 13:33:09 phila: if we create a bus thing the API could be a javascript code in the doc 13:33:14 ack ericstephan 13:33:22 ericstephan: was +1 to phila 13:33:25 ack newton 13:33:51 newton: I like the idea of doing an API 13:34:19 ... I have concerns if someone is reading the document that person could think that it is an example of doing an API 13:34:27 ... we just want to show that API working 13:34:37 ... not an example of how to do an API 13:34:38 q+ 13:34:49 The data wouldn't have to really change 13:34:53 FYI, I really like the way at southampton here http://data.southampton.ac.uk/datasets.html, and the way they describe catalogs and apps. Maybe could be used as implementation of some BPs? 13:34:54 @annette_g I liked your idea about swagger to document an API 13:34:56 BernadetteLoscio: if we make this clear on the text it wouldn't be a problem 13:35:22 I think Swagger will be the most complex part of it 13:35:30 deirdrelee: I see the potential problem there 13:35:33 Maybe we can use Hydra Core Vocabulary to document the API (A Vocabulary for Hypermedia-Driven Web APIs)... 13:35:41 ... one thing is the API and another is the documentation 13:35:54 ... BP 23 or 24 show that 13:36:05 ... a guideline could be more of what newton was talking about 13:36:07 q+ 13:36:36 ... if we do provide an API we could point out why approaching this way or another is good 13:36:52 ack deirdrelee 13:36:57 BernadetteLoscio: I agree 13:36:58 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:37:00 we do have text about such things, but we need an example 13:37:19 ... for making an API I think we discussed that we shouldn't give guidelines on how to build APIs 13:37:27 ... we should be more careful about it 13:37:33 that's a good point BernadetteLoscio 13:37:48 ... it is about frameworks to help building API 13:37:49 +1 to BernadetteLoscio point 13:37:55 ... it would be nice to have a real API 13:38:10 ... the focus should be how to access the data using an API instead of building an API 13:38:37 deirdrelee: to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today 13:39:07 action deirdrelee to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today 13:39:07 Error finding 'deirdrelee'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:39:32 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/dwbp-realtime-example.html 13:39:41 ction deirdree to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today 13:39:45 action: deirdreto enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today 13:39:46 Error finding 'deirdreto'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:39:52 s/ction deirdrelee to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today/ 13:39:54 action: deirdre to enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today 13:39:54 Created ACTION-276 - Enhance the examples and incorporate some of the things we discussed today [on Deirdre Lee - due 2016-05-06]. 13:40:00 BernadetteLoscio: about the intended outcomes 13:40:05 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#LocaleParametersMetadata 13:40:23 https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1qAX-nW2lditnyYt0MQdK0Jc-9IflWbcHI-yagT-EfA8/edit#gid=0 13:42:11 phila: my motivations to write that way was that we agreed that we wouldn't use "machine should be this" 13:42:19 ... no should or must added 13:42:20 q+ 13:43:01 ack annette_g 13:43:21 annette_g: I wasn't sure if we should start with "that" or "to" 13:43:34 phila: the subject of the sentenced is the intended outcome 13:44:13 I was wondering why the links of the BPs do not deref to the specific part in the doc...Is it a browser issue or just me having this "small issue"? 13:44:19 q? 13:44:25 annette_g: just writing it in future tense might solve it 13:44:34 q+ 13:44:42 ... some of them are already in future tense 13:44:56 ack BernadetteLoscio 13:45:02 BernadetteLoscio: before we sent a message that we were using the future 13:45:15 ... we had comments saying that should be in the present 13:45:35 Current To enable data consumers to know that data that is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under different conditions. 13:45:36 back to the future? 13:45:41 phila: let's take this example 13:45:47 ... changing that to: 13:45:54 Consumers will know that data that is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under different conditions. 13:46:30 Just be consistent imo 13:47:29 BernadetteLoscio: if you don't mind you may change 13:47:34 phila: I will do it 13:48:04 action phila to change all the phrases of intedend outcomes to present. E.g. Consumers will know that data that is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under different conditions. 13:48:04 Created ACTION-277 - Change all the phrases of intedend outcomes to present. e.g. consumers will know that data that is referred to from the current dataset is unavailable or only available under different conditions. [on Phil Archer - due 2016-05-06]. 13:48:31 BernadetteLoscio: we still have the BPs about feedback and up to date access, which we will work with annette_g 13:48:40 ... it was a great team work this week 13:48:52 ... we are really happy. Thank you everybody for the contributions! 13:48:58 Eds are really great, too! 13:49:09 Yes, great Eds! 13:49:31 We're very close to a documetn freeze 13:49:39 ... we will try to finish everything and as soon we finish this I we will freeze the document 13:49:54 ... so the WG participants can review the changes 13:49:59 Time is very tight 13:50:07 ... in the beggining of next week we might finish it 13:50:25 deirdrelee: I will try to get back on Tuesday 13:50:38 BernadetteLoscio: as soon as we finish it we will let the group know 13:51:00 ... it is important to keep in mind that we shouldn't do big changes after Monday 13:51:11 ... if anyone has a big change to make, please do it before Monday 13:51:29 ... you can go to the commit that is on the table https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Comments_to_be_considered_in_the_last_call_working_draft and see the changes 13:51:32 Topic: DQV 13:51:41 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html 13:51:43 deirdrelee: antoine and riccardoAlbertoni could you give us an update? 13:51:55 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule 13:52:04 antoine: we are working on the vocabs 13:52:16 ... check the link https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Data_quality_schedule 13:52:17 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/products/2 13:52:27 ... the link above has the open issues and actions 13:52:33 ... this week we closed some of them 13:53:20 ... ther are some open issues 13:53:31 q? 13:53:38 ... we are ready to work on them before the next working draft pubilcation 13:53:55 deirdrelee: you prefer to release the next working draft and then the final one? 13:53:58 antoine: yas 13:54:04 s/yas/yes 13:54:22 ... when it is ready to last call we are willing to publish as a working draft 13:55:22 riccardoAlbertoni: we ask the group to guve us feedback about the document 13:55:40 ... about editorial things and the way we are editing it 13:55:53 deirdrelee: it is good to dedicate complete meeting on that as all 13:55:54 phila: Just to say thank you to Antoine and Riccardo for all their continuing work. The WG should indeed give the work some proper attention. 13:56:04 ... we can dedicate a complete Friday to DWV and DUV 13:56:29 phila: thank you both of you 13:56:39 deirdrelee: we will have to vote to publish it as a final working note 13:56:49 ... we need to be aware of what has been made 13:57:03 ... is our responsability to keep up with it as well 13:57:15 https://www.force11.org/meetings/force2016 13:57:23 ericstephan: I did go to the force11 conference last week 13:57:24 https://figshare.com/articles/Stephan_DUV_Poster_Force2016_pdf/3179935 13:57:29 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:57:30 Topic: DUV 13:57:39 ... I had a conversation with ?? 13:57:39 https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ 13:58:02 ... it is a very interesting network in terms of metadata this https://www.w3.org/community/scholarlyhtml/ 13:58:14 ... there are good contributions to be made 13:58:20 One of the key people in that CG as well as Peter M-R is Robin Berjon, until recently the HTML editor 13:58:37 ... they are not using SPARQL, they are using JSON-LD 13:58:40 Compliance to Best Practices Metadata #1, #2, #4, Data Licensing #5 Identifiers #10, #12, Vocabularies #15, #16 13:58:56 ... I do want to have that on the data usage vocab 13:59:04 ... maybe we can have on both vocabs 13:59:23 ... some of the editing comments BernadetteLoscio provided we are working on that 13:59:36 q? 14:00:11 deirdrelee: between now and the final working note you will put out another working draft? 14:00:13 ericstephan: yes 14:00:28 deirdrelee: now to 3 weeks we can freeze and vote 14:00:30 So we're looking at big voting session on 20 May? 14:00:42 ... then we can move on to the final working note 14:01:14 When can the DUV have Berna back? :-) 14:01:23 A truly impressive portion of that big table has been resolved. 14:01:24 deirdrelee: by next week we try to freeze and see how it goes 14:01:28 soon Eric ;) 14:01:37 great :-) 14:01:41 yes, annette_g! :) thank you so much for all you help! 14:01:53 phila: I agree but May 20 is already late in our schedule 14:02:00 Annette, and they are implemented already ;) 14:02:13 ... I think May 20 is the latest we hav 14:02:17 s/hav/have 14:02:30 Caroline_ I meant to say that SPAR ontologies not sparql 14:02:35 bye all! 14:02:35 deirdrelee: talk to you all next week 14:02:35 thanks .. bye 14:02:37 bye... nice... 14:02:46 thank you ericstephan for this correction :) 14:02:46 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:02:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:02:58 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:02:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:02:58 annette_g has left #dwbp 14:03:03 Ciao! 14:04:59 regrets+ Hadley 14:05:01 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:05:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/29-dwbp-minutes.html phila 14:11:57 yaso has joined #dwbp 14:52:38 zakim, bye 14:52:38 leaving. 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