IRC log of i18n on 2016-04-28

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 28 April 2016
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0030.html
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
14:16:34 [r12a]
your'e off to an early start !
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0035.html
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Regrets+ Felix
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agenda+ Radar and Active Work Review
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agenda+ remove the topic index from the i18n subsite
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agenda+ Definition of whitespace
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agenda+ HTML issues
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agenda+ <q> element
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agenda+ i18n-discuss repo?
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Regrets+ Steve Atkin
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nope
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regrets+ Dave
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present+ JcK
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Topic: Agenda
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agenda?
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Topic: Action Items
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https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
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action-483?
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action-483 -- Addison Phillips to Review close marked webvtt issues and close if satisfied -- due 2015-11-26 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/483
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close action-483
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Closed action-483.
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close action-495
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Closed action-495.
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close action-507
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Closed action-507.
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close action-508
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Closed action-508.
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close action-509
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Closed action-509.
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action-510?
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action-510 -- Richard Ishida to Write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion -- due 2016-04-21 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/510
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-discuss/default-quote-styling
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close action-510
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Closed action-510.
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Topic: Info Share
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Welcoming new member: Rebeca Ruiz
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rebeca: work for a publishing services company
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... publishing technology and standards
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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(intros made)
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agenda?
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https://discourse.wicg.io/
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richard: web platform development, when it's a question of new features
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... try to use new features, web incubator coordination group
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... do their discussion in "discourse"
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... things come up from time to time
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... there's stuff on top on whitespace, for example
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... not sure if you were aware
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addison: suggestion for how to track?
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richard: what could do is raise issue in our review tracker and give it a track label
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action: richard: check if discource for wicg can add notifier for an i18n label
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Created ACTION-511 - Check if discource for wicg can add notifier for an i18n label [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-05].
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agenda?
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "Radar and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "remove the topic index from the i18n subsite" taken up [from aphillip]
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https://www.w3.org/International/
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https://www.w3.org/International/resource-index
15:28:04 [aphillip]
richard: the above link lets you find things by topic/subtopic
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... hard to maintain
15:36:31 [rebecaruiz]
Have you seen this by Dave Cramer? https://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-latinreq/
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action: richard: send www-international an email about removing topic index and prepare new home page and other page mods as needed to support that
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Created ACTION-512 - Send www-international an email about removing topic index and prepare new home page and other page mods as needed to support that [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-05].
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3. "Definition of whitespace" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: responded to stephen p saying we need more use cases
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... ask if we can make this topic more visible?
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zakim, take up agendum 6
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agendum 6. "i18n-discuss repo?" taken up [from r12a]
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richard: we have a thread on q element
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... which I have unleashed
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... split from default ml styling of quotes
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... discussion got forked to a single list
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... it's a recurring problem
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... messages tend to "spread out" and discuss subtopics
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... if in a github issue, easier to police
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... and to get folks to split off to a new issue if needed
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... it would be useful to hold discussion in github instead of mail
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richard: in addition, summary in wiki
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... struggling to produce in wiki
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... gave up and built html and dumped into wiki
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... could do both issue handling and document storage in same github repository
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... and so......
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... I went off and careated "i18n-discuss" repo
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https://github.com/w3c/i18n-discuss
15:42:24 [najib]
+1 to move issue to github
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "<q> element" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: need to raise an issue on html5 list
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... think there is a problem with the default styling in rendering section of html5
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... would like you to discuss
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... this is not about whether <q> is a good idea, etc.
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... just focused on the specific default rendering in section 10
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addison: what you set out to do in first place
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... raise on their list or by issue?
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richard: raise an issue
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... just to be clear, suggesting that
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... groundswell in dpub
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... quotations should by default follow outer language
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... florian offered an option
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... or just use html @lang
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addison: i support doing that?
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+1
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jck: +1 as long as noted I haven't changed mind in last week
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+1
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richard: if need something else, style it
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action: richard: raise an issue against html about default q-styling
15:56:21 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-513 - Raise an issue against html about default q-styling [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-05-05].
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "HTML issues" taken up [from aphillip]
15:58:29 [r12a]
https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/labels/html
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addison: summarizes html's actions
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richard: went through and added things to the list above
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... pretty well all of these were closed in our tracker
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... but reopened the ones that seemed to have things going on
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addison: will go through my inbox
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richard: some additional issues in their list
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... probably necessary and go through their list
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addison: any 5.1?
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richard: want closure by end of may
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addison: keep an agenda item for next week
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Topic: AOB?
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Present: Addison, Richard, JcK, Rebeca, Najib (via IRC)
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, Richard, JcK, Rebeca, Najib, (via, IRC)
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: richard: check if discource for wicg can add notifier for an i18n label [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-irc#T15-21-55
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ACTION: richard: send www-international an email about removing topic index and prepare new home page and other page mods as needed to support that [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-irc#T15-36-50
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ACTION: richard: raise an issue against html about default q-styling [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/28-i18n-irc#T15-56-21