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18:39:41 <allanj> open item 2
18:39:45 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
18:39:53 <Kathy> q+
18:39:55 <allanj> present+ Jim
18:40:02 <Kathy> present+
18:40:06 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
18:40:29 <allanj> gk: sent link for epub conformance spec, builds on wcag and other wai stuff
18:40:55 <Judy> agenda+ inviting Auto-WCAG rep?
18:40:59 <allanj> ... epub built on w3 standards, content is html, css, svg
18:41:20 <allanj> ... accessibility spec applies to all 3.x epub specs
18:41:36 <allanj> ... reference wcag, must meet wcag specs
18:42:16 <allanj> ... metadata conformance requirement, so user can see accessibility components
18:42:23 <allanj> ... looking for comments
18:42:46 <Judy> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-cc/2016Apr/0018.html
18:42:49 <allanj> https://github.com/IDPF/epub-revision/issues/711
18:43:22 <Ryladog> http://www.idpf.org/epub/a11y/
18:43:29 <allanj> gw: which groups should I contact? perhaps send to wai-ig
18:44:21 <allanj> gw: with wai.next may be useful in the discussion
18:44:45 <allanj> jb: gw work with katie for getting info on IG
18:45:24 <allanj> rrsagent, set logs public
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18:45:45 <allanj> jb: other reviews?
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18:46:44 <allanj> kw: matf finishing touch and pointer guideline. hoping to have WCAG review
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18:47:05 <allanj> ... touch target sizes, px vs pt, etc
18:47:16 <fesch> present +fesch
18:47:23 <allanj> ... much discussion on matf list and other external coments
18:47:32 <allanj> s/coments/comments
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18:48:27 <allanj> ... want a wide review.
18:48:47 <allanj> kw: seeking timeline for wcag review
18:49:20 <allanj> awk: depends on wcag:next or 2.1 or something.
18:49:55 <allanj> kw: hate to lose momentum. trying to get finalized.
18:50:00 <Ryladog> q+
18:50:07 <allanj> ... how it gets integrated is a different issue
18:50:20 <allanj> ... happy to make it a separate document.
18:50:35 <allanj> kw: don't want to wait. finalize and move on
18:51:04 <allanj> khs: +1, finalize, get it out there, integrate later
18:51:37 <allanj> jb: can awk suggest context to focus review comments
18:52:04 <Rich> q?
18:52:15 <allanj> ... wcag review of TF documents...give context for review vs integration
18:53:02 <allanj> awk: getting content from TF then have draft extension model. are we doing that or pivoting to some other path
18:53:37 <allanj> ... if extension have a clearer path, then {sorry missed the last bit}
18:54:20 <allanj> jb: awk and kw and khs should meet to work
18:54:55 <allanj> awk: can talk. but what goes out for review...a note, a draft note, or some other document to send for review
18:55:23 <Judy> q+ to suggest and wrap
18:55:32 <allanj> khs: frame it...important content not sure how it will be published integrated, but needs wide review
18:56:28 <allanj> jb: big agenda. awk - khs - kw to meet off line. sort out context of how to frame for wai-ig
18:56:57 <allanj> jb: any other documents? cross review, announcements?
18:57:11 <Judy> agenda?
18:57:26 <allanj> close item 2
18:57:34 <Judy> q?
18:57:43 <Judy> q-
18:58:02 <allanj> ack kathy
18:58:06 <allanj> ack r
18:58:15 <allanj> open item 3
18:58:19 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:58:24 <Judy> zakim, pick a victim
18:58:24 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose Rich_Schwerdtfeger
18:59:00 <Rich> scrribe: Rich
18:59:03 <Rich> scribe: Rich
18:59:13 <Rich> zakim, takeup next
18:59:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'takeup next', Rich
18:59:31 <Rich> zakim, take up next
18:59:31 <Zakim> agendum 2. "any pending cross-review requests; or upcoming announcement needs?" taken up [from Judy]
18:59:44 <Judy> zakim, close item 2
18:59:44 <Zakim> agendum 2, any pending cross-review requests; or upcoming announcement needs?, closed
18:59:46 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
18:59:46 <Zakim> 4. coordination around issues taken to tag [from Judy]
18:59:55 <Rich> sakim, take up next
19:00:01 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:00:01 <Zakim> agendum 4. "coordination around issues taken to tag" taken up [from Judy]
19:00:42 <MichaelC> zakim, take up item 3
19:00:42 <Zakim> agendum 3. "html accessibility bug triage calls; participation welcome" taken up [from Judy]
19:00:44 <Rich> Judy: HTML accessibility bug processing. This is a meeting about bugs moving from HTML to the new web platform working group
19:01:12 <Rich> Judy: Leonie has brought this up at the APA working group
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19:01:35 <Ryladog_> q+
19:01:40 <Rich> Judy: we are looking to regularly announce it in APA
19:02:35 <Rich> Judy: I notice that in the past processing bugs in the html a11y task force there were issues where we needed input from the WCAG working group and were not successful in doing so
19:02:54 <Rich> Judy: Can someone from WCAG watch these for review purposes?
19:03:13 <Rich> Judy: Katie, I think you mentioned it to the WAI IG
19:03:16 <Rich> Katie: yes
19:04:30 <Rich> Judy: I think Leonie is off for the next few meetings
19:04:54 <Judy> s/not successful/generally successful/
19:04:57 <Rich> Judy: There is a mail from Charles on this regarding the stage that they are in processing these issues
19:05:13 <Rich> Judy: continuting to mention this on the WAI IG list is good
19:05:30 <Rich> s/continuting/continuing/
19:05:40 <Judy> agenda?
19:05:46 <Rich> zakim, take up next item
19:05:46 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Rich
19:06:15 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:06:15 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Rich
19:06:26 <Rich> q?
19:06:34 <Rich> ack Ryladog_
19:06:42 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:06:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "coordination around issues taken to tag" taken up [from Judy]
19:07:10 <Rich> Judy: I am encouraging that there be relevant and more frequent communication between groups
19:07:31 <Rich> Judy: Rich, Janina, and Michael I will send up some links so you can see the agenda items they are taking up
19:07:38 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:07:38 <Zakim> agendum 4 was just opened, Rich
19:07:54 <Judy> zakim, close item 4
19:07:54 <Zakim> agendum 4, coordination around issues taken to tag, closed
19:07:55 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:07:55 <Zakim> 5. issues to discuss in WAI IG; who following, helping; when bring back? [from Judy]
19:08:13 <MichaelC> zakim, next item
19:08:13 <Zakim> agendum 5. "issues to discuss in WAI IG; who following, helping; when bring back?" taken up [from Judy]
19:08:25 <Rich> Judy: I am looking for nominations for issues to discuss
19:08:54 <Rich> Judy: I want to encourage people to look at things like APA spec. reviews
19:09:13 <Rich> Judy: On some items we may want to encourage more community feedback
19:09:41 <Rich> Judy: We expect more from research task force
19:10:12 <Rich> Judy: I am looking for ideas to pass to Katie on what and how we can move focus questions in a sensible pace to the WAI IG discussion
19:10:30 <Rich> Katie: What things like APA spec. review to discuss on a WAI mailing list?
19:10:47 <Rich> Janina: I am not sure I have a good answer for you off the top of my head
19:10:58 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review
19:11:06 <Rich> Janina: Let’s look at this WIKI
19:11:17 <Rich> Katie: what section should we dicuss most?
19:11:28 <Rich> Janina: Community groups is a useful discussion
19:11:49 <Rich> Janina: So many groups have been started
19:12:02 <Rich> Janina: I wider look would be useful
19:12:38 <Rich> Katie: You and I will brainstorm on this
19:14:51 <Rich> Rich: Project to have Pseudo last call on ARIA 1.1, ARIA graphics, and dpub aria modules by June for a formal review
19:15:02 <MichaelC> q+
19:15:23 <MichaelC> q-
19:15:27 <Judy> agenda?
19:16:16 <Judy> agenda order is 6, 7, 9, 10, 8
19:16:24 <Rich> Rich: this is a feature lock
19:17:10 <Rich> Judy: this is a way to bring people back into the groups
19:17:21 <Rich> Katie: I was thinking about a monthly news letter
19:17:36 <Rich> Rich: That would be perfect
19:18:12 <Rich> Judy: I tried to do this a long time ago when we were doing far less. I think it could be great but it is helpful if it is more consistent. Let’s take it off line
19:18:20 <Rich> Katie: some people want things all in one place
19:18:34 <Rich> Judy: it may link back to how we are handling annoncements
19:18:55 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:18:55 <Zakim> agendum 6. "further updates on specific task forces, in terms issues, progress, coord?" taken up [from Judy]
19:19:16 <Rich> Judy: last meeting I had asked in an agenda item updates on some task force work
19:20:15 <AWK> q+_
19:20:21 <Ryladog_> q+
19:20:26 <AWK> ack _
19:21:06 <Rich> AWK: The low vision task force is reviewing the comments and requirements document and building out the gapp analysis to build the success criteria
19:21:40 <Rich> AWK: there are a few comments left to address but we are not releasing anything soon
19:22:26 <Rich> AWK: There was definitely feedback from a lot of people including some that were not involved. The feedback was not overwhelming but it was a good mix
19:23:17 <Rich> RESOLUTION: Rich Liaison for Katie WAI IG
19:23:33 <Rich> For ARIA
19:24:06 <Rich> Judy: some times people feel there comments are not addressed as feedback does not come
19:24:25 <Rich> Katie: I will work to ensure that happens.
19:24:59 <Rich> Judy: If you were to try to set a consistent expectation that may be difficult to ensure
19:25:16 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:25:16 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Rich
19:25:23 <Judy> ack K
19:25:24 <Rich> ack Rich
19:25:27 <Judy> ack _
19:25:31 <Rich> ack Ryladog_
19:25:37 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:25:37 <Zakim> agendum 7. "any further updates on straw models or specific wcag next steps" taken up [from Judy]
19:25:55 <Judy> agenda?
19:26:00 <AWK> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Comments_on_WCAG.Next_Models
19:26:30 <Rich> AWK: John and Jeanne did some work gathering thoughts from the email discussions and solicited some feedback
19:26:41 <Rich> AWK: this URL aggregates the information
19:26:56 <Rich> AWK: we will be discussing at the nex editors meeting
19:28:16 <Rich> zakim, take  up next
19:28:16 <Zakim> agendum 9. "WAI 3.0" taken up [from Judy]
19:29:24 <Rich> Michael: we discussed this in January. The author and user agent groups closed but they may still be relevant
19:30:15 <Rich> Michael: In particular in exploration of WCAG requirements we want a 3.0 guidelines that included content and user agent requirements. We need to see how authoring tools might fit in
19:30:51 <Rich> Michael: We have not take this to the WCAG WG yet as we don’t have consensus on the explanation. It seems to make sense to widen the discussion to this group
19:31:12 <Rich> Katie: It is good to think about this and it is a discussion that need to happen
19:31:16 <Rich> q+
19:32:26 <Rich> George: with the digital publishing interest group and we see convergence of word processing documents it is becoming increasingly important to move authoring tools and user agent requirements into the digital web
19:33:01 <Rich> Judy: I am wondering on your thoughts on the integration of these topics into the WCAG discussion to deal with hte WCAG 3.0 phase more seamlessly
19:33:26 <Rich> Judy: I am wondering if Andrew, Michael, and Josh might reserve WG time to discuss this
19:33:49 <Rich> AWK: Cetainly we need to discuss this further. We have lots left to think about. I don’t see that being a problem
19:35:13 <Rich> Riich: ARIA 2.0 and APIs work will potentially impact WCAG 3 down the road. We have never had to deal wit apis
19:35:15 <Rich> q?
19:35:18 <Rich> ack
19:35:22 <Rich> q?
19:35:24 <Rich> ack Rich
19:35:29 <Judy> ack R
19:35:30 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:35:30 <Zakim> agendum 10. "inviting Auto-WCAG rep?" taken up [from Judy]
19:36:00 <Rich> Judy: earlier in the call somebody mentioned community group
19:36:25 <Rich> Judy: the other aspect of the community groups is the W3C using these groups to incubate work related to existing WGs
19:37:14 <Rich> Judy: should we invite another to this call. … regarding work being incubated. .. like auto wcag
19:37:32 <Rich> Judy: this could potentially be a task force in the WCAG working group
19:37:54 <Rich> Judy: That opens the question do we open a call
19:38:26 <Rich> Judy: Cynthia was looking at work, potentiall about APIs coming out of Indie UI
19:39:16 <Rich> Judy: take work out and into a chartered WG
19:39:59 <Rich> Judy: Unless I hear any concerns then I will make an invitation to the person’s time
19:40:10 <Rich> zakim, take up next
19:40:10 <Zakim> agendum 8. "any other business?" taken up [from Judy]
19:41:11 <Rich> George: Regrets for the May 11 meeting as I am giving a keynote at the digicon conference with TimBL
19:41:35 <Rich> Katie: Is it possible to move this a half hour later?
19:41:48 <Rich> Judy: if we do that we miss all of Jim Allen
19:42:09 <Rich> RRSAgent, make log public
19:42:16 <Rich> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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19:42:47 <Rich> Judy: I will reask the question on the list
19:43:03 <Rich> zakim, bye
19:43:03 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Katie_Haritos-Shea, Jim, Kathy, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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19:43:28 <AWK> Zakim, agenda?
19:43:33 <janina> present+ Janina
19:43:35 <Judy> present+ Judy
19:43:40 <Rich> Zakim, draft minutes
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