IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-04-25

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17:01:55 [jamesn]
rrsagent, make log world
17:02:00 [jamesn]
regrets+ Michiel
17:02:00 [eli]
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17:02:19 [eli]
Hey everyone! First timer here. What is the meeting pw?
17:03:59 [mck]
Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
17:04:00 [mck]
Agenda+ Review section 2.8 Combo Box http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#combobox
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Agenda+ Review section 2.5 Auto Complete http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#autocomplete
17:04:10 [eli]
Thanks!
17:05:25 [jamesn]
eli: who are you by the way
17:06:10 [jamesn]
welcome
17:07:26 [jemma_]
present+ jaeunjemmaku
17:08:25 [jamesn]
present+ JamesNurthen
17:10:02 [jemma_]
scribe:JemmaJaeun
17:10:36 [jemma_]
agenda 1
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next item
17:12:07 [annabbott]
Jemma is working on tree example, Jon is traveling
17:12:31 [annabbott]
Jemma will try to have tree example ready for next week
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*thanks ann
17:13:12 [jemma_]
matt is working on dialog
17:13:37 [jemma_]
mk: to show support on combo box
17:13:58 [jemma_]
mk: we don't reviewed the text yet though
17:14:22 [jemma_]
mk: need help on css
17:14:47 [jemma_]
mk: I will work on dialog modal
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mk: also work on non modal
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s/work/will work
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jn: matt, will you work on combo box?
17:16:00 [jemma_]
mk: need to 2 combo box example
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s/example/examples
17:17:20 [jemma_]
ann: how about dialog tool tip?
17:17:39 [jemma_]
mk: about to rewrite dialog tool tip from ground
17:17:59 [MichielBijl]
Agenda+ Discuss possible issues with splitting APG to separate repository.
17:19:43 [jemma_]
mk: bascially decide to rewrite dialog tool tip section later
17:20:39 [mck]
Agenda+ Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
17:20:41 [mck]
Agenda+ Review section 2.8 Combo Box http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#combobox
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Agenda+ Review section 2.5 Auto Complete http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#autocomplete
17:20:45 [eli]
https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=29327
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17:21:38 [jamesn]
agenda?
17:21:46 [MichielBijl]
Regrets- Michiel
17:21:55 [jemma_]
next item
17:21:57 [MichielBijl]
present+ Michiel_Bijl
17:22:47 [jamesn]
zakim, drop agendum 5
17:22:47 [Zakim]
agendum 5, Review status of current example development work https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status, dropped
17:22:54 [jamesn]
zakim, drop agendum 6
17:22:54 [Zakim]
agendum 6, Review section 2.8 Combo Box http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#combobox, dropped
17:22:59 [jamesn]
zakim, drop agendum 7
17:22:59 [Zakim]
agendum 7, Review section 2.5 Auto Complete http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#autocomplete, dropped
17:23:03 [jamesn]
agenda?
17:24:13 [jemma_]
take up agendum 4
17:24:59 [jamesn]
zakim, take up item 2
17:24:59 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "Review section 2.8 Combo Box http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#combobox" taken up [from mck]
17:26:02 [jemma_]
mk: description of combo box here is interestingly terse
17:26:15 [jemma_]
ann: interestingly feminize
17:26:53 [mck]
http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/action1490-combobox/aria/aria.html#combobox
17:27:17 [jemma_]
mk: linked to spec
17:27:44 [jemma_]
mk:using description, first paragraph from here
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mk: trying to help user which role is need to be used.
17:28:53 [jemma_]
mk:explicit description from outset needed.
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ann: dialog in combo box?
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mk: like a datepicker
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17:30:37 [jemma_]
jn:do we want to keep autocomplete together in the section?
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jn: it makes hard to implement combo box with auto complete
17:32:50 [jemma_]
jn: combobox and autocomplete are separate for design pattern example for now
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mk: talk combox as simple as like replicating html select
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s/combox/combobox
17:34:22 [jemma_]
jn: keyboard changes significantly between two, combo box and autocomplete combo box
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jn: common stuff first, (easiest thing first) and different thing later such as keyboard
17:35:23 [jemma_]
jn: in regards to combo box and autocomplete example
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mk:aria-multiline is relevant to text
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s/text/text input method
17:36:29 [jemma_]
mk: how we address this, aria-multiline with autocomplete
17:37:08 [eli]
forgive me, but what is an example where a user would encounter a combobox?
17:37:39 [jemma_]
jn; multi line text is not necessarily text editor, it could be just one word, single line text box
17:38:14 [jemma_]
mk: for now autocomplete does not describe this case.
17:38:34 [jemma_]
s/jn;/jn:
17:39:18 [eli]
http://w3c.github.io/aria/practices/aria-practices.html#combobox
17:39:31 [jemma_]
ann: description will be rewritten?
17:39:35 [jemma_]
mk: yes
17:40:13 [jemma_]
mk:download arrow usually open the combo box rather than alt+download arrow.
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s/download/down
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jn:down arrow move focus to first item
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mk: native element for combo box with autocomplete is html select
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s/is/is similar to
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ann: more explanation for html select?
17:45:01 [jemma_]
bryan: select element with down arrow, automatically trigger on change event
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, not with down arrow with alt
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s/,/bryan:
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jn:space key does not make sense for combo box
17:47:01 [jemma_]
mk: do we want to have the same behavior with html select then?
17:48:01 [jemma_]
mk: listbox I worked on is not incorporated here yet.
17:48:26 [jemma_]
mk: didnot write about expanding/ collapsing the list box
17:49:33 [jemma_]
mk: should we incorporate list box pattern to combo box pattern?
17:50:14 [jemma_]
mk: what about combo box which has only read only text field?
17:51:01 [jemma_]
mk: I think read only text does not make sense for combo box.
17:52:00 [jemma_]
mk: considering copy and paste function, it could be a valid reason to have combo box as read only item.
17:52:54 [jemma_]
mk: if readonly, using space bar and opening the list make sense.
17:54:06 [jemma_]
brayan: divide keyboard sections for two, one for read only text, the other one for non read only?
17:54:21 [jemma_]
s/brayan/mk
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bryan: yes
17:55:44 [jemma_]
jn: let's make this option - ua implementation
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s/option/optional
17:56:27 [jemma_]
mk:enter key does not expand the list
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mk: space is the same as alt+down arrow
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*thanks james
17:59:09 [jemma_]
jn: creating a bug with discussion summary
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eli:esc key fall back to default status
18:04:11 [jemma_]
teresa: are we talking about jaws?
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mK:no
18:04:53 [jemma_]
mk: jaws behavior is only reading cursor is active
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s/only/only for
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mk: this is for widget section
18:07:27 [jemma_]
mk: we are working on aria 1.1 apg, not 1.o
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s/1.o/1.0
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bryan: wouldn't be a good idea to separate them out?
18:08:52 [jemma_]
mk: there was a discussion separating labels
18:10:53 [mck_]
• The next element is an html <button>, or another element with a role of button. This element is used to toggle the display of the combobox's drop down list.
18:11:44 [jemma_]
s/wouldn't be a good idea to separate them out?/wouldn't be a good idea to separate design patterns out for each aria 1.0 and 1.1?
18:14:48 [jemma_]
brayn: when edit field is spoken, dropdown trigger is button
18:16:40 [jemma_]
bryan:when there is role=combo box, image is outside of list and it uses aria control
18:17:08 [jemma_]
mk: 1.0 pattern still requires to have aria-own
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s/aria control/aria-control
18:19:02 [jemma_]
bryan: button is not part of combo box, it is trigger device to invoke the combo box
18:21:03 [jemma_]
mk: you may use text box, aria equal to list box, aria controls on it as alternative and it is also relevant to descendants discussion.
18:21:28 [jemma_]
s/descendants/aria-descendants
18:21:55 [jemma_]
mk: not sure yet about "image" part in the section
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s/section/combo box section
18:24:19 [jemma_]
ann: mouse way and keyboard way are different
18:24:54 [jamesn]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/349
18:25:03 [jemma_]
ann: that is why we are talking about this section
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next ite
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s/next ite/next item
18:26:07 [mck_]
• Provide a label for the combobox by referencing the text field in the combobox. You can use an
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aria-label
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to associate this label with the combobox or you may use the HTML <label> element and its for attribute to reference the text field.
18:31:04 [jemma_]
mk: need to have some discussions with screen reader guy about label
18:31:45 [jemma_]
summary about combo box pattern: Keys: Space and Alt+Down expand list without changing the value (both optional) Down (change the selected displayed in the list) and optionally expand the list.
18:32:02 [jamesn]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/25-aria-apg-minutes.html jamesn
18:36:55 [eli]
Hey, guys. I had to jump off the call. Thanks for being gentle for my first time :)
18:46:00 [MichielBijl]
Nice to meet you Eli!