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15:54:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
15:54:20 <trackbot> Date: 21 April 2016
15:54:41 <mdjp> Agenda+ Defining AudioWorkletNode https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/778
15:54:51 <mdjp> Agenda+ TAG issue: Subclassing / Node composition https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/251
15:55:00 <padenot> ahhh
15:55:01 <mdjp> Agenda+ Update on Output devices discussions
15:55:12 <mdjp> Agenda+ Update on outstanding actions
15:55:33 <mdjp> Agenda+ Date of next meeting
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16:02:23 <ChrisL> present+ ChrisL
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16:02:50 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here
16:02:50 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2016/04/21-audio-irc#T16-02-50
16:03:34 <joe> Agenda+ Issue 12 PR https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/pull/754
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16:05:24 <joe> zakim, take up next agendum
16:05:24 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Defining AudioWorkletNode https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/778" taken up [from mdjp]
16:05:33 <mdjp> Scribe: mdjp
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16:06:48 <mdjp> mdjp outstanding from f2f, agreed to carry to the telecon
16:07:03 <BillHofmann> present+
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16:08:01 <mdjp> hongchan updated idl on issue open to other opinions
16:08:26 <mdjp> joe does this only apply a class constructor or pre es6 also
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16:09:05 <mdjp> hongchan not sure pre es6 rtoyg_m why would we need it?
16:09:22 <mdjp> joe would we be shutting out implementations by requiring es6
16:09:28 <ChrisL> most of ES6 is widely supported now
16:09:38 <mdjp> padenot 99% coverage
16:10:27 <padenot> safari technical preview: 99%: https://kangax.github.io/compat-table/es6/#safaritp
16:10:57 <padenot> gecko 90%, chrome 52: 98%
16:11:19 <marcosc> oh man, can't wait for Safari to go stable
16:11:35 <marcosc> AND WTF HOW IS SAFARI BEATING GECKO WTF!!!
16:11:49 <marcosc> 😠
16:11:50 <padenot> marcosc: I hear you know people at mozilla
16:12:09 <marcosc> maybe, you shut up padenot
16:12:18 <padenot> :-)
16:12:22 <marcosc> :)
16:14:15 <BillHofmann> Is that desktop coverage?  Mobile coverage, TV coverage - how's that in terms of %?
16:14:53 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/777
16:15:47 <mdjp> hongchan i/o defined in audioworklet node constructor
16:15:59 <mdjp> joe why do audio params have to be defined in the script
16:16:14 <mdjp> padenot author of the script knows what needs to be exposed
16:16:39 <mdjp> hongchan parameters can be dynamic - with default values.
16:17:07 <mdjp> joe next step?
16:17:33 <mdjp> hongchan have a magic method may not be possible - needs to discuss with chrome team
16:17:46 <hongchan> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/778#issuecomment-204138788
16:17:57 <mdjp> hongchan 778 static resouce issue also needs discussion
16:18:21 <mdjp> hongchan padenot to discuss
16:18:52 <joe> zakim, take up next agendum
16:18:52 <Zakim> agendum 2. "TAG issue: Subclassing / Node composition https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/251" taken up [from mdjp]
16:22:28 <joe> zakim, take up next agendum
16:22:28 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Update on Output devices discussions" taken up [from mdjp]
16:23:37 <mdjp> ChrisL sensors and devices task force with web rtc - output API. Web Audio have input to the spec.  We can raise issues and PRs.
16:23:52 <mdjp> There is a large problem to be solved with media capabilities in general
16:24:04 <mdjp> raised by jdsmith
16:24:45 <mdjp> ChrisL has platform implications for media platforms
16:25:13 <mdjp> ChrisL web incubator community group used to float new proposals, we need a good set of requirements from all interested parties to present to the incubator group
16:25:54 <mdjp> jdsmith intro document on incubator process.  Not too hard to take drafts from existing model and get onto radar. Wil encourage others to raise opinion
16:26:08 <mdjp> jdsmith willing to be point person to get into incubator group discussion
16:26:34 <mdjp> ChrisL sounds good but existing spec not well suited, restriced to audio and relies on media capture
16:26:59 <mdjp> ChrisL maybe step back and develop use cases and requirements. jdsmith this all goes into the explainer.
16:27:46 <mdjp> jdsmith we wouldnt use MC spec but modify to a media output device capability api, dictionary could be extended to expose capabilities. joe similar to what MC have done for input
16:28:29 <mdjp> jdsmith starting point to collaborate on explainer document jdsmith willing to start and then ask for input
16:29:02 <mdjp> joe also useful for driving decisions that web audio apps make about content they might load (high bw/low bw)
16:29:25 <joe> zakim, take up next agendum
16:29:25 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Update on outstanding actions" taken up [from mdjp]
16:29:49 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/open
16:30:01 <mdjp> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/129
16:30:18 <joe> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/129 - finger printing - Chris Lilley https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/128 - lease with media capture group - Joe Berkiovitz https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/127 - Coordinate new use cases - Matt Paradis https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/126 - Create implementation report - Chris Lilley https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/125 - Draft new charter - Chris Lilley
16:30:46 <mdjp> ChrisL - wg note which explains how to deal with finger printing - not against finger printing - guide people towards not exposing unecessary data
16:32:20 <mdjp> ChrisL security and privacy questionarre, ChrisL to fill in and add to github.
16:32:41 <ChrisL> action ChrisL to add new security appendix
16:32:41 <trackbot> Created ACTION-130 - Add new security appendix [on Chris Lilley - due 2016-04-28].
16:32:56 <mdjp> action jdsmith  to begin explainer document for media output.
16:32:56 <trackbot> Created ACTION-131 -  to begin explainer document for media output. [on Jerry Smith - due 2016-04-28].
16:33:30 <ChrisL> action-128?
16:33:30 <trackbot> action-128 -- Joe Berkovitz to Liaise with the media capture and streams to discuss options for adding audio and video device constraint and enumeration, in context of existing group or the incubator group -- due 2016-04-15 -- OPEN
16:33:30 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/128
16:34:20 <ChrisL> close action-128
16:34:20 <trackbot> Closed action-128.
16:34:37 <ChrisL> action-127?
16:34:37 <trackbot> action-127 -- Matthew Paradis to Coordinate new use cases -- due 2016-04-15 -- OPEN
16:34:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/127
16:35:18 <ChrisL> mdjp: working on adding new use cases and distill down for v.next. Plan to add to github early next week.
16:35:42 <ChrisL> close action-119
16:35:42 <trackbot> Closed action-119.
16:36:07 <mdjp> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/126
16:36:51 <mdjp> ChrisL for entry to cr - status update, not demonstraing interoperability. Nothing more required but people can comment specifically around testing
16:37:18 <mdjp> padenot mozilla tests can be reimplemented for web platforms tests but need more research.
16:37:45 <mdjp> ChrisL chrome tests also use external library but should map onto web platform tests
16:38:31 <mdjp> rtoyg_m mainly codec tests that need infrastructure help, everything else is just js
16:39:20 <mdjp> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/125
16:39:21 <ChrisL> action-125?
16:39:21 <trackbot> action-125 -- Chris Lilley to Draft new charter -- due 2016-04-15 -- OPEN
16:39:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2011/audio/track/actions/125
16:40:50 <joe> https://www.w3.org/2011/audio/charter/2016/Overview.html
16:40:59 <mdjp> ChrisL took copy of current charter and cleaned up links and wording. Added deliverables for v1 and v2 (next) updated timeline.
16:41:49 <mdjp> ChrisL assumption that we start FPWD for v2 once we enter CR for v1
16:42:21 <mdjp> ChrisL remove streamprocessing note from charter - agreed
16:42:56 <mdjp> ChrisL action to remain open until september.
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16:44:35 <ChrisL> rrsagent, here?
16:44:35 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2016/04/21-audio-irc#T16-44-35
16:45:36 <ChrisL> https://webaudio.github.io/web-audio-api/implementation-report.html
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16:47:47 <mdjp> https://github.com/mohayonao/web-audio-test-api
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16:48:36 <joe> zakim, take up next agendum
16:48:37 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
16:48:50 <joe> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/pull/754
16:49:12 <ChrisL> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/pull/754/commits/d51bbd05700eb0ea0682d3fd008bcc7b383ff5d0
16:50:26 <mdjp> padenot ok with this but naming needs to be reviewed
16:51:36 <mdjp> joe suggest people review to check naming before merging.
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16:53:59 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:54:20 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make logs public
16:54:22 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
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