IRC log of aria-apg on 2016-04-18

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17:07:45 [jamesn]
present+ Teresa, Matt, Ann, James, Jemma
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regrets+ Michiel, Leonie, Birkir, Bryan
17:07:55 [jamesn]
present+ Jon
17:08:05 [jamesn]
Agenda+ 10-minute discussion: Review actions needed to finish landmarks and math
17:08:05 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review section 2.13 Grid (Simple Data Tables) https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#grid
17:08:05 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review section 2.14 Actionable, Sortable Column Header in a Grid https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/practices/aria-practices.html#sortablegrid
17:08:05 [jamesn]
Agenda+ Review new examples and update pattern work assignments https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status
17:08:11 [jamesn]
rrsagent, make log world
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scribe: jemma
17:08:26 [jamesn]
zakim, next item
17:08:26 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "10-minute discussion: Review actions needed to finish landmarks and math" taken up [from jamesn]
17:09:02 [jemma]
*thanks james
17:09:33 [jamesn]
meeting: ARIA APG TF
17:10:25 [jemma]
mk: landmark works looks good
17:11:03 [jemma]
ann: I am fine with as far as html5 section there
17:11:21 [boerst]
I'm fine with that
17:11:39 [jamesn]
https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/JN_Landmarks/practices/aria-practices.html
17:11:49 [jemma]
mk: suggest to move landmark as resolution
17:12:17 [jemma]
is there way to merge/pull the landmark work to the spec
17:12:32 [jemma]
jn: he will do merge the doc
17:13:03 [jemma]
s/spec/guide
17:13:19 [mck]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/18-aria-apg-minutes.html mck
17:14:11 [jemma]
group agrees to merge the work
17:14:30 [jemma]
s/resolution/guides
17:15:26 [jemma]
mk:should math be part of this aria discussion?
17:16:36 [jemma]
jg: birker and bryan are trying to get information for best practice for math role
17:17:04 [jemma]
mk: math role has a place for guide
17:17:18 [jemma]
jn: there is github issue about math role
17:17:47 [jemma]
mk:would we bring this to the agenda item?
17:18:12 [jemma]
jg: I will help to bring this to agenda items
17:18:59 [jemma]
ann: how about AT for the math role?
17:19:41 [jemma]
jn: role=math is not brand new in aria 1.1
17:19:58 [jemma]
jg: will bring the math role agenda in three weeks
17:20:39 [jemma]
jg: after all my travel
17:21:14 [jamesn]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/290
17:21:46 [jemma]
mk: created the issue and will assign to jon gunderson
17:22:05 [jongund]
jongund
17:22:11 [jemma]
ann: why do we assign the issue to jon?
17:22:12 [jongund]
I don't know
17:22:31 [jongund]
OK
17:22:57 [jemma]
mk: this, math role is agenda for May 9
17:23:13 [jemma]
ann: math role is not in design pattern
17:23:33 [jemma]
jn:section 1.0 version has math role as a separate section
17:23:39 [jemma]
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17:26:46 [jemma]
jn: james already set up a github issue in github
17:26:56 [jemma]
jn: for this
17:27:23 [jemma]
jn: we are trying to move issue to github from mozila
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s/issue/issues
17:27:54 [jemma]
jn: we can put multiple labels for the issues
17:28:05 [jemma]
mk:apg label for now
17:28:05 [jamesn]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/323
17:28:24 [jemma]
s/mozila/bugzilla
17:29:11 [jemma]
mk:actionable/sortable would not be easy to be integrate "grid"
17:30:38 [jemma]
mk: I would prefer not to see different section for each layout grid/sortable grid/
17:30:42 [jemma]
jn: good point
17:31:34 [jemma]
jn: ie. dialog - there are common part such as keyboard nav..in spite of different dialog type/usage
17:32:30 [jemma]
jn: grouping for grid will help people to see whole picture first rather than sticking to one specific grid example
17:32:42 [jemma]
mk:editorial work will be needed
17:32:54 [jemma]
mk: merging the same content section
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into one such as keyboard and more
17:34:02 [jemma]
jn: we can show general section, not only subset of the grid
17:35:35 [jemma]
ann: grid is now usable as generic layout container for interactive element
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s/ann/mk
17:36:13 [jemma]
mk: take out tabular data and reward it
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17:37:54 [jemma]
mk: explaining generic feature which distinguish grid from table and then talk about different usage of grid
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mk: then keyboard features..
17:42:43 [jemma]
mk: title is rid starting with generic description and talk about one for layout grid and the other for data grid
17:42:52 [jemma]
s/rid/grid
17:43:14 [jemma]
mk:that way we can capture UX designer attention James is talking about
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s/designer/designers'
17:43:58 [jemma]
jn: made a git hub issue for this
17:46:18 [jemma]
mk: how would we want to address focus management strategy inside grid?
17:47:35 [jemma]
mk: different case when using jaws and voice over for grid
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s/case/screen reader case
17:49:19 [jemma]
mk: if it is more about focus management, not screen reader management, the description will fit into non keyboard section
17:52:15 [jemma]
mk: will try to make one keyboard section for now for both type of grids
17:53:03 [jemma]
mk: will see how the group think
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s/think/thinks
17:54:07 [jemma]
jn: the same behavior for excel - tab in and make the cell active and edit the data
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s/for/like that of
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jn:use tab to edit the cell
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or box
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s/box/edit box
18:00:24 [jemma]
mk:will add a link to tree grid from grid section
18:01:22 [jemma]
ann: need distinction of table from grid
18:02:54 [jamesn]
https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/#grid
18:06:29 [jemma]
mk: need to rewrite the grid description such as removing the paragraphe "This can be achieved by ...." and more
18:06:39 [jemma]
mk: I will take this action item
18:07:49 [jamesn]
https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/323
18:08:11 [jemma]
Re-title to "Grid" Have 2 sub-sections within the description for "Data Grids" and "Layout Grids" Keyboard Section Need to add something about navigating to the cell or the content (Matt to write) Re-write description section to remove information which is no longer relevant in ARIA 1.1 and to add content about new features in ARIA 1.1
18:09:34 [jemma]
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18:10:29 [jamesn]
zakim, take up item 4
18:10:29 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "Review new examples and update pattern work assignments https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Aria-Authoring-Practices-Patterns-Status" taken up [from jamesn]
18:12:07 [jemma]
jn: taking out drag and drop from pattern status
18:12:22 [jemma]
mk: drag and drop is deprecated
18:13:50 [jemma]
mk: we may do something better - control pattern in aria 2.2
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s/2.2/2.0
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jn: we will update Grid section in design pattern table after we edited authoring practice guide
18:17:42 [jemma]
jg: any update on combo box so that we can add combo box example?
18:19:05 [jemma]
mk: very close to be done with combo box
18:20:33 [jemma]
mk: in apg
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