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16:57:23 <clapierre> title: Accessibility DPUB Task Force Weekly Meeting
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17:03:15 <clapierre> Topic: A11Y Note Todo Items from last week
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17:05:52 <clapierre> regrests+ Jean
17:07:03 <clapierre> 1c) George ARIA does have heading guidance #16 https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/issues/16  (maybe this is really resolved in these techniques but I will check it out and provide details.) https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/WCAG20-TECHS/ARIA12.html
17:08:05 <clapierre> George:  I sent this in email, but it is obscure on finding it.   we could put a pointer from out Note to this reference.
17:08:22 <clapierre> Deborah: we could say the gap is finding this information.
17:08:59 <clapierre> George: there is a technique on how to do this and it is in ARIA techniques but if people can't find it then it doesn't exist.
17:09:10 <clapierre> …, maybe we should put a link to it for discoverability
17:10:09 <clapierre> Deborah: this is a great link you provided George, but there are 3 things, role, headings and aria-level
17:10:28 <clapierre> …, what happens when you have different combinations or if they are nested.
17:11:07 <clapierre> George: we don't know what happens to the DOMs with these properties, in the various properties.. but this is the documentation provided.
17:11:30 <clapierre> Tzviya: this is ARIA practices are being completely rewritten now.
17:12:09 <clapierre> …, when I did research on this, I wasn't sure if it should be ARIA-level, ARIA- label, or ARIA-labelledby
17:13:09 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/#kbd_layout_nesting
17:13:12 <clapierre> Deborah: there are different ways to put in headings in, HTML headings, or there are ARIA ways to do this.  There needs to be a documentation explaning all of this.
17:14:07 <clapierre> George: because headings and structure is so important, should we recommend a best practice sample that eliminates the guesswork?  some authoritative example.  H1-6 then past 6 then it becomes a div with level with ARIA-role.
17:14:46 <clapierre> Deborah: I agree there should be a best practice technique, but we don't need to write this, we just say this is the gap and that is needed to help clarify this.
17:15:13 <clapierre> …, we shouldn't tell them what technique to use that is their call.
17:15:39 <clapierre> George: distributive object where object has its own structure, and how that integrates when it is placed is level 2.
17:16:02 <clapierre> Tzviya: we can't get into distributive objects, that is a production issue.
17:16:16 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-practices-1.1/
17:16:32 <clapierre> …, this is a well written document
17:16:54 <clapierre> deborah: this is great and an important doc.  ARIA is a fallback for HTML
17:17:30 <clapierre> …, the tecnique should be when to use ARIA.
17:18:19 <clapierre> Tzviya: this link aria practices document is great for static document.  this is a preview to my talk coming up.
17:18:29 <clapierre> …, this is what I use for work.
17:19:37 <clapierre> deborah: I think we can say there is a gap here, and is a wider problem.  I think we need to: there is a gap, no one knows how to do headers.  what is the best practice when to use ARIA vs. HTML.
17:20:59 <clapierre> George: this is relevant to the topic of headers, but we have the same problem for a range of problems.   On diagram center has best practices for images, it needs to be updated, but has always contradicted with what W3C says.  so for publishing we need to find those documents in W3C
17:21:37 <clapierre> Tzviya: we don't want to tell people how to do things just the discrepancies.  We need to just point them out, and not write them.
17:22:08 <clapierre> Charles: so for this topic whats the action item.
17:22:26 <clapierre> George: so for #16 someone needs to rephrase this.
17:23:40 <clapierre> Deborah: the action would be for someone to rephrase .  I can but depends on what else gets put on my plate.
17:24:27 <clapierre> Tzviya: we need to look over this for tone, and we need to let go of this.
17:24:39 <clapierre> Topic: #2 Open Issues still left in GitHub
17:26:08 <clapierre> topic: 2c) what is confinement to AT? #17 https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/issues/17 
17:27:23 <clapierre> Tzviya: this should be a easy fix,
17:27:43 <clapierre> Deborah: we need to replace it with a sentence they will accept.
17:27:58 <clapierre> Tzviya: this is not a gap in the a11y documentation.
17:28:59 <clapierre> Deborah: I am not happy to taking it out.
17:29:08 <clapierre> George: isn't this covered in DPUB-ARIA?
17:30:00 <clapierre> Deborah: no this is something that browsers dont expose to other than AT.. I will rephrase this.
17:30:06 <clapierre> Topic: 2d) incorrect characterisation of css speech in epub #18 https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/issues/18 
17:30:58 <clapierre> Charles: I will take this on and use Matt's sentence.
17:31:10 <clapierre> topic: #3 Next Steps
17:33:55 <clapierre> Deborah: we will present this to DPUB on Monday and have them tell us if there are any issues.
17:35:03 <clapierre> Todo: Debora to handle #14/16 and #17 rewrite, Charles to do #18, and then on Monday present to DPUB the Note for their review
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