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14:58:39 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
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14:58:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
14:58:43 <Zakim> ok, trackbot
14:58:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
14:58:44 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2016
14:59:14 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
14:59:24 <aphillip> agenda+ Unicode-XML placeholder text and publication
14:59:34 <aphillip> agenda+ Ruby Markup (internal review discussion)
14:59:46 <aphillip> agenda+ <q> element
14:59:56 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod
15:03:14 <aphillip> present+ Addison
15:03:18 <aphillip> present+ r12a
15:03:22 <aphillip> present+ Felix
15:04:04 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
15:04:06 <aphillip> agenda?
15:06:46 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
15:06:54 <aphillip> action-174?
15:06:54 <trackbot> action-174 -- Addison Phillips to Write article about floating times in HTML -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
15:06:54 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/174
15:07:02 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en.html
15:08:00 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open?sort=owner
15:08:57 <aphillip> action-505?
15:08:57 <trackbot> action-505 -- Addison Phillips to Prepare updated unicode-xml disclaimer text for publication as a placeholding wg note while martin et al get started working on updates -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
15:08:57 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/505
15:09:00 <aphillip> close action-505
15:09:00 <trackbot> Closed action-505.
15:09:15 <aphillip> close action-506
15:09:15 <trackbot> Closed action-506.
15:09:23 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
15:09:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:32 <fsasaki> https://www.gala-global.org/ondemand/live-webinar-framework-multilingual-and-semantic-enrichment-digital-content-new-l10n#sthash.71Yj67ln.dpbs
15:09:44 <aphillip> Felix: make you aware of a GALA webinar
15:10:08 <aphillip> ... abstract doesn't talk about standards, but talking about ITS and various standards, community standards, CGs
15:10:15 <aphillip> ... open to non-GALA members
15:10:26 <aphillip> ... 28 April, if available please join
15:10:32 <fsasaki> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2016Apr/0040.html
15:10:47 <aphillip> felix: text processing, using ITS to do that
15:10:56 <aphillip> ... don't want to store HTML but web annotations
15:11:12 <aphillip> ... just submitted, see what their reaction is
15:11:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:11:41 <aphillip> agenda?
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15:11:48 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
15:11:48 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
15:11:57 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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15:13:23 <r12a> regrets+ David
15:13:35 <aphillip> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:14:21 <JcK> present+ JcK
15:15:39 <aphillip> richard: asked felix to provide some info from "his neck of the woods"
15:15:47 <aphillip> ... the CGs listed are not under the I18N activity
15:15:58 <aphillip> ... but would be something we would follow
15:16:16 <aphillip> ... there's another under previous column (bpmlod)
15:16:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:16:41 <aphillip> richard: felix, are there high level milestones??
15:16:52 <aphillip> ... for bpmlod or the other CGs?
15:16:56 <aphillip> felix: can add them
15:17:03 <aphillip> richard: keep high level, maybe 2 or 3
15:18:19 <aphillip> addison: different color or something for non-WG/IG stuff?
15:18:40 <aphillip> felix: some of these are developing technologies, others doing best practices
15:19:06 <aphillip> ... suggest to put under these items
15:19:16 <aphillip> ... not under i18n
15:19:30 <aphillip> richard: scroll down and you see track industry is a horizontal
15:19:37 <aphillip> ... list CGs in a similar manner?
15:20:09 <aphillip> richard: are we publishing bpmlod eventually?
15:20:21 <aphillip> felix: we announce and such
15:20:24 <aphillip> ... in the blog
15:20:28 <aphillip> ... could be
15:20:36 <aphillip> richard: would keep bpmlod where it is now
15:21:06 <aphillip> felix: update is processing web annotation
15:21:12 <aphillip> ... way to store ITS as linked data
15:21:20 <aphillip> ... being developed as a best practice
15:21:31 <aphillip> ... put the link in (earlier)
15:21:46 <aphillip> ... can do term annotations
15:21:51 <aphillip> ... term data category
15:21:58 <aphillip> ... currently on implementation side
15:22:04 <aphillip> agenda?
15:22:33 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
15:22:33 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Unicode-XML placeholder text and publication" taken up [from aphillip]
15:22:42 <aphillip> richard: martin has closed one issue
15:23:41 <aphillip> addison: should we publish updated unicode-xml updated Note with the placeholder text on UTR status?
15:24:07 <fsasaki> +1
15:24:08 <aphillip> +1
15:24:08 <r12a> +1
15:24:30 <JcK> To the extent to which I understand the current piece of the issue, +1
15:25:11 <aphillip> so resolved
15:25:55 <aphillip> richard: check with martin to get a clear response on the disclaimer from him
15:26:19 <aphillip> ... may need me to do this to do echidna
15:27:31 <aphillip> addison: *just* do WDs in github??
15:29:37 <aphillip> action: richard: double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it
15:29:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-507 - Double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:29:57 <aphillip> action: richard: publish updated unicode-xml Note based on results of action-507
15:29:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-508 - Publish updated unicode-xml note based on results of action-507 [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:30:07 <aphillip> agenda?
15:30:41 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
15:30:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Ruby Markup (internal review discussion)" taken up [from aphillip]
15:30:51 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html
15:30:59 <aphillip>     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2016AprJun/0003.html      Ruby Markup     http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html
15:31:35 <aphillip> richard: go to wide review?
15:33:47 <aphillip> action: addison: remind WG members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week
15:33:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-509 - Remind wg members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-04-21].
15:34:12 <aphillip> richard: just to add to that, refrehsed tests for ruby
15:34:20 <aphillip> ... both htnml and css
15:34:26 <aphillip> ... ported test script to js only
15:34:28 <aphillip> ... no php
15:34:35 <aphillip> ... just finished, a few small changes in the page
15:34:40 <aphillip> ... updated the results
15:34:44 <aphillip> ... some changes
15:34:51 <aphillip> addison: positive changes?
15:34:56 <aphillip> richard: yes, but not far enough
15:35:04 <aphillip> ... added canary and webkit
15:35:20 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
15:35:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "<q> element" taken up [from aphillip]
15:35:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:36:22 <aphillip> richard: various people made useful suggestions
15:36:45 <aphillip> addison: mostly that the outer document language should control?
15:36:58 <aphillip> richard: there is a problem with that
15:37:09 <aphillip> ... been working on testing
15:37:21 <aphillip> ... look first to see if borwser puts quotes
15:37:29 <aphillip> ... then if they follow the language specific qutation marks
15:37:32 <aphillip> ... FF does not
15:37:46 <aphillip> ... chrome does what HTML/CLDR say
15:37:57 <aphillip> ... third set and probably need to fourth set
15:38:10 <aphillip> richard: do browsers use the outside language or not?
15:38:18 <aphillip> ... FF does, but only because it doesn't pay attention
15:38:55 <aphillip> ... one thing that came to light things we've looked at so far it makes sense to use outer language
15:39:08 <aphillip> ... if you have words "one" "two" and "three"
15:39:16 <aphillip> and you put lang=en at beginning of para
15:39:27 <aphillip> ... then have spans with lang=ja
15:39:59 <aphillip> <p>one <span lang=ja>two</span> <q lang=ja>three</q></p>
15:40:28 <r12a> <p lang=en>one <span>two <q lang=ja>three</q></span></p>
15:40:50 <r12a> <p lang=en>one <span lang=ja>two <q>three</q></span></p>
15:40:57 <aphillip> richard: this last one
15:41:39 <aphillip> ... if apply "lang out side outer q", then japanese quotes
15:42:51 <aphillip> addison: containing block element? but seems problematic
15:43:41 <aphillip> ... it's only a problem when languages are mixed
15:44:06 <aphillip> jck: would be far too problematic to understand if very complex
15:45:59 <aphillip> addison: two possibilities
15:46:21 <aphillip> jck: could be counter-intuitive
15:46:31 <aphillip> richard: lang on q is the language *of the contents*
15:46:46 <aphillip> ... but the quotes belong to the *surrounding* text
15:47:35 <aphillip> addison: also they wanted q-transitivity, q within a q would use same quotes
15:48:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:51:10 <aphillip> richard: upshot
15:51:24 <aphillip> ... 1. need an element that explains how it works and how to sstyle them
15:51:43 <aphillip> ... 2. tell HTML the default behaviour isn't quite right
15:51:47 <aphillip> ... 3. tell CSS also
15:52:44 <aphillip> s/sstyle/style/
15:52:56 <aphillip> ... next steps are to finish off tests
15:53:21 <aphillip> ... go back to e-books and here's this one bit that doesn't work well and propose to do nothing about it
15:54:08 <aphillip> action: richard: write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion
15:54:08 <trackbot> Created ACTION-510 - Write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:54:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:54:46 <aphillip> agenda?
15:55:02 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
15:55:02 <Zakim> agendum 5. "CharMod" taken up [from aphillip]
15:58:35 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:58:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:59:31 <JcK> JcK has left #i18n
16:00:58 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
16:01:01 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
16:01:05 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
16:01:10 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:17 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0025.html
16:01:23 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
16:01:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:28 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:01:28 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Addison, r12a, Felix, JcK
16:01:28 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:01:34 <aphillip> rrsagent, byte
16:01:34 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'byte', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:01:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it [1]
16:01:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-29-37
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish updated unicode-xml Note based on results of action-507 [2]
16:01:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-29-57
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind WG members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week [3]
16:01:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-33-47
16:01:40 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion [4]
16:01:40 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-54-08