IRC log of i18n on 2016-04-14

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Zakim, this will be 4186
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 14 April 2016
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agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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agenda+ Unicode-XML placeholder text and publication
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agenda+ Ruby Markup (internal review discussion)
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agenda+ <q> element
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agenda+ CharMod
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present+ Addison
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present+ r12a
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present+ Felix
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Topic: Agenda
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agenda?
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Topic: Action Items
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action-174?
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action-174 -- Addison Phillips to Write article about floating times in HTML -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/174
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/questions/qa-floating-times.en.html
15:08:00 [r12a]
https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open?sort=owner
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action-505?
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action-505 -- Addison Phillips to Prepare updated unicode-xml disclaimer text for publication as a placeholding wg note while martin et al get started working on updates -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/505
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close action-505
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Closed action-505.
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close action-506
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Closed action-506.
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Topic: Info Share
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:09:32 [fsasaki]
https://www.gala-global.org/ondemand/live-webinar-framework-multilingual-and-semantic-enrichment-digital-content-new-l10n#sthash.71Yj67ln.dpbs
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Felix: make you aware of a GALA webinar
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... abstract doesn't talk about standards, but talking about ITS and various standards, community standards, CGs
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... open to non-GALA members
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... 28 April, if available please join
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-annotation/2016Apr/0040.html
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felix: text processing, using ITS to do that
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... don't want to store HTML but web annotations
15:11:12 [aphillip]
... just submitted, see what their reaction is
15:11:25 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 1
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agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
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http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/radar/
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15:13:23 [r12a]
regrets+ David
15:13:35 [aphillip]
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-activity/projects/
15:14:21 [JcK]
present+ JcK
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richard: asked felix to provide some info from "his neck of the woods"
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... the CGs listed are not under the I18N activity
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... but would be something we would follow
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... there's another under previous column (bpmlod)
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: felix, are there high level milestones??
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... for bpmlod or the other CGs?
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felix: can add them
15:17:03 [aphillip]
richard: keep high level, maybe 2 or 3
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addison: different color or something for non-WG/IG stuff?
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felix: some of these are developing technologies, others doing best practices
15:19:06 [aphillip]
... suggest to put under these items
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... not under i18n
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richard: scroll down and you see track industry is a horizontal
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... list CGs in a similar manner?
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richard: are we publishing bpmlod eventually?
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felix: we announce and such
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... in the blog
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... could be
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richard: would keep bpmlod where it is now
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felix: update is processing web annotation
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... way to store ITS as linked data
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... being developed as a best practice
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... put the link in (earlier)
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... can do term annotations
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... term data category
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... currently on implementation side
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2. "Unicode-XML placeholder text and publication" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: martin has closed one issue
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addison: should we publish updated unicode-xml updated Note with the placeholder text on UTR status?
15:24:07 [fsasaki]
+1
15:24:08 [aphillip]
+1
15:24:08 [r12a]
+1
15:24:30 [JcK]
To the extent to which I understand the current piece of the issue, +1
15:25:11 [aphillip]
so resolved
15:25:55 [aphillip]
richard: check with martin to get a clear response on the disclaimer from him
15:26:19 [aphillip]
... may need me to do this to do echidna
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addison: *just* do WDs in github??
15:29:37 [aphillip]
action: richard: double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it
15:29:37 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-507 - Double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:29:57 [aphillip]
action: richard: publish updated unicode-xml Note based on results of action-507
15:29:57 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-508 - Publish updated unicode-xml note based on results of action-507 [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:30:07 [aphillip]
agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 3
15:30:41 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Ruby Markup (internal review discussion)" taken up [from aphillip]
15:30:51 [r12a]
http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html
15:30:59 [aphillip]
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2016AprJun/0003.html Ruby Markup http://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/articles/ruby/markup.en.html
15:31:35 [aphillip]
richard: go to wide review?
15:33:47 [aphillip]
action: addison: remind WG members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week
15:33:47 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-509 - Remind wg members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-04-21].
15:34:12 [aphillip]
richard: just to add to that, refrehsed tests for ruby
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... both htnml and css
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... ported test script to js only
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... no php
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... just finished, a few small changes in the page
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... updated the results
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... some changes
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addison: positive changes?
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richard: yes, but not far enough
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... added canary and webkit
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zakim, take up agendum 4
15:35:20 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "<q> element" taken up [from aphillip]
15:35:26 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: various people made useful suggestions
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addison: mostly that the outer document language should control?
15:36:58 [aphillip]
richard: there is a problem with that
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... been working on testing
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... look first to see if borwser puts quotes
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... then if they follow the language specific qutation marks
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... FF does not
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... chrome does what HTML/CLDR say
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... third set and probably need to fourth set
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richard: do browsers use the outside language or not?
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... FF does, but only because it doesn't pay attention
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... one thing that came to light things we've looked at so far it makes sense to use outer language
15:39:08 [aphillip]
... if you have words "one" "two" and "three"
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and you put lang=en at beginning of para
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... then have spans with lang=ja
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<p>one <span lang=ja>two</span> <q lang=ja>three</q></p>
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<p lang=en>one <span>two <q lang=ja>three</q></span></p>
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<p lang=en>one <span lang=ja>two <q>three</q></span></p>
15:40:57 [aphillip]
richard: this last one
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... if apply "lang out side outer q", then japanese quotes
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addison: containing block element? but seems problematic
15:43:41 [aphillip]
... it's only a problem when languages are mixed
15:44:06 [aphillip]
jck: would be far too problematic to understand if very complex
15:45:59 [aphillip]
addison: two possibilities
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jck: could be counter-intuitive
15:46:31 [aphillip]
richard: lang on q is the language *of the contents*
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... but the quotes belong to the *surrounding* text
15:47:35 [aphillip]
addison: also they wanted q-transitivity, q within a q would use same quotes
15:48:37 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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richard: upshot
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... 1. need an element that explains how it works and how to sstyle them
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... 2. tell HTML the default behaviour isn't quite right
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... 3. tell CSS also
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s/sstyle/style/
15:52:56 [aphillip]
... next steps are to finish off tests
15:53:21 [aphillip]
... go back to e-books and here's this one bit that doesn't work well and propose to do nothing about it
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action: richard: write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion
15:54:08 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-510 - Write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion [on Richard Ishida - due 2016-04-21].
15:54:29 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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agenda?
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "CharMod" taken up [from aphillip]
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Topic: AOB?
15:58:44 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2016Apr/0025.html
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:01:28 [aphillip]
zakim, bye
16:01:28 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Addison, r12a, Felix, JcK
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Zakim has left #i18n
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rrsagent, byte
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I'm logging. I don't understand 'byte', aphillip. Try /msg RRSAgent help
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: richard: double check handling of note status for unicode-xml while we work on it [1]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-29-37
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ACTION: richard: publish updated unicode-xml Note based on results of action-507 [2]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-29-57
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ACTION: addison: remind WG members to definitely read ruby/markup.en.html for next week [3]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-33-47
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ACTION: richard: write a wiki page on <q> element proposal using extracts from the email discussion [4]
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recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/04/14-i18n-irc#T15-54-08