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12:41:48 <trackbot> Meeting: XForms Users Community Group Teleconference
12:41:48 <trackbot> Date: 13 April 2016
12:42:10 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0009
12:42:28 <Steven> Steven has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0009
12:42:47 <Steven> Chair: Steven
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13:01:25 <Steven> Present: Alain, Erik, Steven
13:02:27 <Steven> Present+Philip
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13:03:13 <Steven> Present+Nick
13:03:26 <nvdbleek> sorry previous meeting is going over tim
13:03:35 <nvdbleek> s/tim/time/
13:04:13 <Steven> Topic: Anyone going to XML London?
13:04:13 <Steven> http://xmllondon.com/
13:04:20 <Steven> Steven: I'll be there.
13:04:51 <Steven> ... One of our users will be there, the guy who does ancient numismatics with XForms
13:05:21 <Steven> Topic: includenamespaceprefixes
13:05:21 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0007.html
13:05:49 <Steven> Steven: Seems obvious
13:06:28 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to update the includenamespaceprefixes example
13:06:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2061 - Update the includenamespaceprefixes example [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-04-20].
13:06:55 <Steven> Topic: Mention application/json and text/csv under 7.9.5 Serialization
13:06:55 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0008.html
13:07:36 <Steven> Steven: Sounds reasonable, I'll do it
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13:08:05 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to fix the serialisation text as in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0008.html
13:08:06 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2062 - Fix the serialisation text as in https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-xformsusers/2016apr/0008.html [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-04-20].
13:08:21 <Steven> Topic: Address for comments
13:08:21 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0005.html
13:08:59 <Steven> Steven: We also have http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-forms-editor/latest
13:09:14 <Steven> ... do we have a preference?
13:10:31 <Steven> Erik: I have a slight preference for the xforms-users group
13:11:19 <Steven> ... if you have to register though it would be better to use the other one
13:11:25 <Steven> Steven: I'll investigate
13:11:36 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add text about where to send comments
13:11:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2063 - Add text about where to send comments [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-04-20].
13:11:59 <Steven> Topic: transform()
13:11:59 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0005.html
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13:12:22 <Steven> Steven: What happened to transform{}?
13:12:33 <Steven> Philip: We talked about this a long time ago.
13:12:44 <Steven> s/{}/()/
13:12:59 <Steven> Philip: There was discussion about similarity with the submission element
13:13:14 <Steven> ... what then happened, I don't know.
13:13:29 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to track down what happened to transform()
13:13:29 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2064 - Track down what happened to transform() [on Steven Pemberton - due 2016-04-20].
13:13:49 <Steven> Topic: Whitespace MIP
13:13:59 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_whitespace_Property
13:14:22 <Steven> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-xformsusers/2016Apr/0010.html
13:15:40 <Steven> Steven: SO I've currently specified that we can't have more than one whitespace MIP for  value (like calculate)
13:15:44 <Steven> s/SO/So/
13:15:57 <Steven> Erik: We don't say what it means for it not to be allowed.
13:16:19 <Steven> ... in XForms 1.1 it was never allowed
13:17:38 <Steven> Steven: I think it used to generate an xforms-binding-exception
13:17:47 <Steven> ... we now have xforms-binding-error
13:17:58 <Steven> Erik: We don't say that in XForms 1.1
13:18:38 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/#model-xformsconstraints
13:18:45 <ebruchez> "It is an error to attempt to set a model item property twice on the same node (see 4.3.1 The xforms-rebuild Event for details)..
13:18:45 <ebruchez> "
13:19:15 <Steven> https://www.w3.org/TR/xforms/#evt-rebuild
13:19:28 <Steven> "If a node already contains a model item property of the same name due to the processing of prior bind elements, then XForms processing for the containing document halts with an exception (4.5.1 The xforms-binding-exception Event)."
13:19:33 <Steven> Erik: We took that out.
13:19:46 <Steven> ... we should reinstate something
13:20:23 <Steven> Steven: In the section with the table
13:21:00 <ebruchez> https://www.w3.org/community/xformsusers/wiki/XForms_2.0#The_xforms-rebuild_Event
13:21:18 <Steven> Erik: We should say the same as it used to say for the things that can still occur.
13:21:51 <Steven> ACTION: Erik to reinstate xforms-binding-error for multiple MIPs
13:21:52 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2065 - Reinstate xforms-binding-error for multiple mips [on Erik Bruchez - due 2016-04-20].
13:23:10 <Steven> Topic: AOB
13:23:15 <Steven> [None]
13:23:22 <Steven> [ADJOURN]
13:23:38 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
13:23:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/13-forms-minutes.html Steven
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