IRC log of i18n on 2016-04-07

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trackbot, prepare teleconference
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Zakim, this will be 4186
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Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 07 April 2016
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Chair: Addison Phillips
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Scribe: Addison Phillips
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ScribeNick: aphillip
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Regrets: Steve, JcK
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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Present+ Felix
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Present+ Addison
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Present+ Richard
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agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
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agenda+ (2) publication questions
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agenda+ TR#20: What to do about it?
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agenda+ Charmod
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Topic: Agenda
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agenda+ process stuff
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Topic: Action Items
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action-174 -- Addison Phillips to Write article about floating times in HTML -- due 2013-01-30 -- OPEN
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action-461 -- Richard Ishida to Re-read issue-80 and evaluate whether to reopen as a github issue or not -- due 2015-09-10 -- OPEN
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15:09:07 [aphillip]
richard: should mark as closed
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... looked at another thing
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15:09:29 [aphillip]
we can hear david perfectly
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we hear you
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richard: wrote to ebook list and www-international about quotes
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15:12:29 [aphillip]
close action-461
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Closed action-461.
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action-503 -- Addison Phillips to Add unicode-xml to project radar -- due 2016-04-07 -- OPEN
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close action-503
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Closed action-503.
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Topic: Info Shhare
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felix: share progress xliff/its integration
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... xliff 2.1 finalizing in june
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... supports its 2.0
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... ITS-IG has helped move forward
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zakim, take up agendum 5
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agendum 5. "process stuff" taken up [from aphillip]
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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richard: echidna could work for docs not on req
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... can publish a Note as a Note, but not the WDs :-(
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... shook the cage a bit and maybe in 2-3 weeks could do that
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... meantime need WG agreement to publish using echidna
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addison: (waxes enthusiastic)
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big +1
15:18:12 [David]
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15:18:20 [r12a]
big +1
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addison: (chair hat) so approved
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there were no objections raised over email either
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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richard: send your comments by github and against latest dated version in TR
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... can't produce a dated version in github we thought
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... but possible to do for a specific commit
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[sorry, have to go, for this topic either way is fine for me]
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richard: 2 scenarios
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... for charmod and clreq
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... TR far behind github
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... textis more up to date
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... closer to issues list
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s/textis/text is/
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richard: other scenario is unicode-xml
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... it's published as a Note and martin is making edits
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... very messy
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addison: only use TR for like FPWD or Last Call?
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richard: well, the unicode-xml might be a different case
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present+ JcK
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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zakim, delete agendum 6
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agendum 6, whining, dropped
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Charmod" taken up [from aphillip]
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Topic: The "Quotation Thing"
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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richard: what do you do whne you have multiple nested quotes in multiple languages
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... clear if in one language
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Mais Lucy répond: «Embrassez George de ma part - seulement une fois. Dites-lui, ‹Embrouille.› ».
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Mais Lucy répond: «Give George my love – once only. Tell him, 'Muddle.' ».
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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richard: sent do www-international and e-books
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... consensus so far is "if you start the para in say French, you use throughout"
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... avoids confusion
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richard: just sent the above
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... how do you actually make happen
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... CSS and HTML don't produce this
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... wanted to get you thinking about this
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... what punct. goes where?
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richard: "am I in a quotation" and then am I dealing with a q with a lang
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... if inside a quote and have a lang, then ignore it
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... not quite sure how to do that in css yet
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addison: agenda next week to discuss?
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action: addison: remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call
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Created ACTION-506 - Remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call [on Addison Phillips - due 2016-04-14].
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zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4. "Charmod" taken up [from aphillip]
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richard: might have come through in my comments
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... not sure, putting some ideas out for feedback
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... starting to wonder if focus of document is clear
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... talking about confusables, is a problem...
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... but wondering how relevant
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... is our focus on the syntactic elements rather than the text content
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... findtext is bigger labyrinth
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richard: other question in my mind
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... can see why users might expect visual vs. encoding
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... some many languages where you can expect that
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addison: (expounds at length)
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Topic: AOB?
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Felix, Addison, Richard, JcK
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate aphillip
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 1 open action item saved in :
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ACTION: addison: remind group to study quotation mark behavior for next call [1]
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