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20:54:32 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
20:54:32 <trackbot> Date: 05 April 2016
20:54:42 <Kerry_> present+ kerry
20:54:46 <Kerry_> chair: kerry
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20:58:10 <KJanowicz> Hi
20:58:34 <ahaller2> hi
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20:58:53 <ahaller2> Can you guys connect to audio?
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21:01:06 <DanhLePhuoc> present+ DanhLePhuoc
21:01:11 <jramsay> present+ jramsay
21:02:06 <KJanowicz> present+ KJanowicz
21:02:12 <Kerry_> regrets+ simon
21:02:15 <Kerry_> regrets+ phila
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21:02:49 <ahaller2> github is down for maintenance, good timing...
21:03:29 <KJanowicz> coffee always sounds good.
21:04:10 <ahaller2> I can
21:04:18 <KJanowicz> URL stioll works for me: http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
21:04:21 <KJanowicz> I can scribe
21:04:32 <Kerry_> scribe: KJanowicz
21:04:42 <Kerry_> scribeNick: KJanowicz
21:05:02 <Kerry_> patent call: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
21:05:37 <ahaller2> Github is working again
21:05:46 <Kerry_> proposed: approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon20160322
21:05:56 <Kerry_> +1
21:06:22 <ScottSimmons> +1
21:06:23 <KJanowicz> +1
21:06:24 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
21:06:25 <jramsay> +1
21:06:30 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1
21:06:48 <Kerry_> resolved:  approve last meeting minutes https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:SSN-Telecon20160322 [07:05] <Kerry_> +1
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21:08:00 <Kerry_> topic: What does the FPWD look like? See Editor's draft on github
21:08:12 <Kerry_> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/ssn/
21:09:06 <ClausStadler> present+ ClausStadler
21:09:18 <Kerry_> actions: put in doc number in ssn draft
21:09:21 <RaulGarciaCastro> present+ RaulGarciaCastro
21:10:26 <KJanowicz> kerry: reminder; we agreed to start with the modularization and review the future work items.
21:10:46 <KJanowicz> q+
21:10:58 <ahaller2> q+
21:11:13 <Kerry_> ac KJanowicz
21:11:36 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:12:16 <Kerry_> ack ahaller2
21:12:28 <KJanowicz> kerry: make sure we have something to discuss/present for the next overall group meeting. Lets try to draft as much as possible over the next week.
21:13:26 <KJanowicz> ahaller2: we need to assign sections to people but first we have to agree on the modularization.
21:13:38 <Kerry_> q+ kerry
21:13:47 <KJanowicz> ahaller2: the current version only shows the components of the original version.
21:14:36 <KJanowicz> kerry: agreed, this is just a placeholder. We need to flesh this out during this meeting and this is what I suggest we do.
21:15:10 <KJanowicz> Kerry: this also involved removing DUL.
21:15:35 <KJanowicz> q+
21:15:53 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz: Modularization not only horizontally but also vertically, i.e., make an embarrassingly  simple sensor-observation model and then layer more complex axioms on top of it. See SEM as example (page 130)
21:15:55 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:15:58 <ahaller2> ack ahaller
21:16:08 <ahaller2> ack kerry
21:16:14 <ahaller2> q+
21:16:47 <Kerry_> ack ahaller2
21:17:08 <KJanowicz> SEM: http://www.cs.vu.nl/~guus/papers/Hage11b.pdf
21:17:36 <KJanowicz>  Ahaller2:  currently we only have introduced additional namespaces.
21:18:04 <Kerry_> aq+ Kerry_
21:18:09 <Kerry_> q+ Kerry_
21:18:30 <KJanowicz>  Ahaller2:  what to have as core, what to import?
21:18:33 <Kerry_> ack ahaller2
21:19:41 <KJanowicz> Kerry: agreed but IMHO on even higher priority we need to get the FPWD out as statement of what we are thinking.
21:19:48 <ahaller2> q+
21:20:22 <KJanowicz> q+
21:21:01 <Kerry_> ack ahaller2
21:21:19 <KJanowicz> Kerry: otherwise it may take us 2 months before we get something out.
21:21:43 <KJanowicz> Ahaller2: we need use cases first also for the draft, e.g., to provide examples.
21:22:31 <KJanowicz> Kerry: we have uses cases from the general use case document but they are not necessarily all we need. We can still use examples from the incubator group.
21:23:05 <KJanowicz> Kjanowicz: I would be in favor of synthetic use cases
21:23:16 <Kerry_> ack
21:23:20 <Kerry_> ack next
21:23:25 <Kerry_> ack next
21:23:28 <Kerry_> ack next
21:23:38 <RaulGarciaCastro> +1 to KJanowicz
21:24:21 <DanhLePhuoc> +1 for simple UC
21:24:49 <KJanowicz> yes, KISS
21:26:13 <Kerry_> q?
21:26:18 <KJanowicz> actions:  DanhLePhuoc and Ahaller2 to work on the use cases
21:26:37 <Kerry_> action: ahaller2  to start drafting modularisation
21:26:38 <trackbot> Created ACTION-153 -  to start drafting modularisation [on Armin Haller - due 2016-04-12].
21:26:48 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz: I can draft the introduction part until next week is this would be of any use?
21:27:05 <Kerry_> action: DanhLePhuoc to assist on adding stuff before next meeting
21:27:05 <trackbot> Error finding 'DanhLePhuoc'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:27:23 <Kerry_> action: KJanowicz to draft instroduction
21:27:23 <trackbot> Error finding 'KJanowicz'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:27:49 <KJanowicz> action: Kjanowicz to draft instroduction
21:27:49 <trackbot> Error finding 'Kjanowicz'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:28:21 <Kerry_> action KJanowicz to draft introduction for next week
21:28:21 <trackbot> Error finding 'KJanowicz'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:28:43 <KJanowicz> No idea what the problem is
21:29:01 <Kerry_> action: jano to draft intro for next week
21:29:01 <trackbot> Error finding 'jano'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:29:01 <KJanowicz> action kjano to draft introduction for next week
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21:29:10 <KJanowicz> okay, i will do it anyway
21:29:14 <Kerry_> action jano to draft ssn intro for next week
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21:29:33 <ahaller2>  action: KJanowicz to draft introduction
21:30:06 <KJanowicz> Kerry: lets now jump to future work
21:30:52 <KJanowicz> Kerry: difficult to decide on these items now.
21:31:04 <KJanowicz> Kerry: I can draft this section
21:32:20 <KJanowicz> action: Kerry_ to draft future work section
21:32:20 <trackbot> Error finding 'Kerry_'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
21:32:31 <KJanowicz> action: Kerry to draft future work section
21:32:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-154 - Draft future work section [on Kerry Taylor - due 2016-04-12].
21:33:42 <KJanowicz> DanhLePhuoc: Do we do BP only for SSN or do we align it with the entire group?
21:34:01 <KJanowicz> q+
21:34:48 <KJanowicz> Kerry: we need to check where to place our bp examples and make sure that we align with the main document
21:35:15 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:35:42 <KJanowicz> Kjanowicz; lets first work locally on our document and then move things.
21:36:26 <Kerry_> +1 to bp in this group firts -- then consider movng to main BP doc
21:36:43 <KJanowicz> DanhLePhuoc: bp is very important for those that want to use SSN
21:37:29 <ahaller2> s/ firts first
21:37:41 <ahaller2> s/firts/first
21:38:02 <ahaller2> s/movng/moving
21:39:10 <KJanowicz> DanhLePhuoc: Involvement of industry players?
21:39:12 <KJanowicz> q+
21:40:06 <KJanowicz> +1
21:40:29 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:41:24 <KJanowicz> kerry: explicitly target industry partners with first draft
21:41:25 <KJanowicz> +1
21:41:47 <Kerry_> ack
21:41:50 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:41:51 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
21:42:02 <Kerry_> ack DanhLePhuoc
21:42:07 <KJanowicz> KJanowicz: create ssn semantically lifted data directly by the sensor
21:42:55 <KJanowicz> DanhLePhuoc: agree on vertical modularization need
21:42:56 <Kerry_> q+ kerry
21:43:40 <DanhLePhuoc> q+
21:45:01 <ahaller2> q+
21:46:02 <Kerry_> ack next
21:46:05 <Kerry_> ack next
21:47:08 <Kerry_> ack DanhLePhuoc
21:47:11 <Kerry_> ack arm
21:47:41 <KJanowicz> Ahaller2: vertical modules may relate to IoT-light ontology and use rdfs subset
21:47:43 <KJanowicz> +1
21:47:59 <KJanowicz> Agreed
21:48:04 <DanhLePhuoc> +1
21:48:29 <KJanowicz> I am actually very interested in the vertical modularization
21:48:43 <KJanowicz> ahaller2: this will not be trivial
21:48:44 <KJanowicz> +1
21:49:15 <KJanowicz> kerry: agreed but lets also focus on first getting the steps in the document and the actual implementation as second step
21:49:25 <KJanowicz> q+
21:49:32 <Kerry_> ack ahaller2
21:49:39 <Kerry_> ack ahaller
21:49:47 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:50:59 <Kerry_> topic: Editor responsibilities for drafting
21:51:05 <Kerry_> assigned actions here
21:51:26 <Kerry_> topic:  W3C TPAC and F2F in Lisbon
21:51:43 <Kerry_> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings#TPAC_2015.2C_Lisbon
21:52:53 <KJanowicz> q+
21:53:02 <Kerry_> ack KJanowicz
21:54:59 <Kerry_> topic: AOB?
21:56:26 <KJanowicz> kerry going to accept github revisions
21:57:22 <KJanowicz> bye bye
21:57:29 <RaulGarciaCastro> Bye!
21:57:33 <Kerry_> bye!
21:57:45 <Kerry_> rrsagent, make logs public
21:57:52 <Kerry_> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:57:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/04/05-sdwssn-minutes.html Kerry_
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