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13:59:31 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
14:00:14 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Mar/0003.html
14:04:07 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:04:38 <ivan> present+
14:05:06 <tzviya> present+ Ivan_Herman
14:06:57 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
14:10:46 <tzviya> last commit: https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/aadd0236fbdfdc09f245fddf0121332eb93e59e6
14:12:30 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
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14:13:32 <tzviya> rich: some concerns about mappings
14:16:55 <tzviya> Joanie: Someone at Orca will fix error in mappings.
14:17:30 <tzviya> ...If role subclasses landmark, the only way to expose in AT is as an object
14:17:46 <tzviya> ...This should map to role_landmark
14:20:28 <tzviya> discussion of changes to superclasses
14:20:31 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#substantive-changes-since-the-last-public-working-draft
14:23:22 <tzviya> Joanie: There are significant changes, but all errata
14:23:49 <tzviya> ...This doesn't have such huge implications
14:24:08 <tzviya> ...it's search and replace in the AAM
14:25:37 <tzviya> ...on Mac, everything is still a group, assuming their mappings don't change
14:26:58 <tzviya> rich: concerned that no one will have time to review
14:28:42 <tzviya> Joanie: if it's role_panel, change it to role_section
14:30:03 <tzviya> Joanie: Is a cover always going to be an image?
14:30:10 <tzviya> Tzviya: yes, almost always
14:30:17 <tzviya> Joanie: recommend subclass img
14:30:39 <tzviya> ...so on my platform it's img, so ROLE_IMAGE
14:31:09 <tzviya> ...I would want to know the XML role, and expose the xml roles
14:31:31 <tzviya> ...Why is it landmark?
14:34:35 <tzviya> Tzviya: pullquotes are specific case or decorative quotes that repeat content. This is irritating to AT user
14:35:00 <tzviya> Joanie: recommend mapping to presentation or none, not subclasses
14:36:02 <tzviya> Rich: Similar to SVG, this should not be mapped
14:36:33 <tzviya> ...This should just be role = "presentation" or "none"
14:37:19 <Rich> https://svgwg.org/svg2-draft/struct.html#implicit-aria-semantics
14:38:47 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html
14:41:47 <tzviya> Tzviya: We will add note to pullquote in DPUB-ARIA that it will be dealt with in next draft and DPUB-AAM about not exposing it
14:42:46 <tzviya> Joanie: Add that ATs should ignore subclassing and link to ARIA role="presentation". Functionaly this is just like presentation
14:43:28 <tzviya> doc_pullquote is not mapped to anything
14:43:39 <tzviya> doc-cover is mapped to image
14:44:26 <tzviya> ...pending discussion with Matt
14:46:08 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
14:46:56 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/10-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya
14:47:02 <tzviya> zakim, bye
14:47:02 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, Janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, ivan, Ivan_Herman, Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:12:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> ariaSpecURLs: {
15:12:35 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "ED": "https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html",
15:12:37 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "FPWD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/",
15:12:38 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "WD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-1.1/",
15:12:40 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "REC": "http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria/"
15:12:41 <richardschwerdtfeger>     },
15:12:43 <richardschwerdtfeger>    accNameURLs: {
15:12:44 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "ED": "http://w3c.github.io/aria/accname-aam/accname-aam.html",
15:12:46 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "WD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/",
15:12:47 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "FPWD": "http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam-1.1/",
15:12:49 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "REC": "http://www.w3.org/TR/accname-aam/"
15:12:50 <richardschwerdtfeger>     },
15:12:52 <richardschwerdtfeger>     coreMappingURLs: {
15:12:53 <richardschwerdtfeger>        "ED": "http://w3c.github.io/aria/core-aam/core-aam.html",
15:12:55 <richardschwerdtfeger>        "WD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/",
15:12:56 <richardschwerdtfeger>        "FPWD": "http://www.w3.org/TR/core-aam-1.1/",
15:12:58 <richardschwerdtfeger>        "REC": "http://www.w3.org/TR/wai-aria-implementation/"
15:12:59 <richardschwerdtfeger>     },
15:13:01 <richardschwerdtfeger>    dpubModURLs: {
15:13:02 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "ED": "http://w3c.github.io/aria/master/aria/dpub.html",
15:13:04 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "FPWD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/",
15:13:05 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "WD" : "http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria-1.0/",
15:13:06 <richardschwerdtfeger>       "REC": "http://www.w3.org/TR/dpub-aria/"
15:13:07 <richardschwerdtfeger>     },
15:13:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> joanie, which of those links are bad
15:13:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> ?
15:13:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> let’s start with that question first
15:13:53 <joanie> 15:53 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/blob/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html#L109
15:13:56 <joanie> 15:53 <joanie> the "master" in the url needs to be removed
15:13:58 <joanie> 15:53 <joanie> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/dpub.html is correct
15:14:11 <joanie> ('scuse the euro time)
15:14:23 <joanie> but line 109 of the dpub-aam.html
15:14:31 <joanie> has a "master" in it
15:15:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> what about the other urls?
15:15:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> I see the aria module is wrong too
15:15:57 <joanie> well, the ariaSpecURL is valid, but aren't we supposed to point to...
15:16:07 <joanie> it's valid
15:16:14 <joanie> but if we are not supposed to point to rawgit
15:16:21 <joanie> then it's not right
15:16:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> no it has dpub.html in the aria spec url
15:16:31 <joanie> oh, heh
15:16:34 <joanie> good catch
15:16:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> what is the aria spec url?
15:17:25 <joanie> http://w3c.github.io/aria/aria/aria.html
15:17:47 <joanie> aria, aria, aria! (like marsha, marsha, marsha!)
15:17:58 <richardschwerdtfeger> :-)
15:18:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> ok go that one
15:18:07 <joanie> :)
15:18:16 <richardschwerdtfeger> what were you saying about the change log?
15:18:53 <joanie> nothing of use. I was looking at the wrong spec
15:19:40 <joanie> You can probably c&P the elements missing from core-aam.html
15:20:24 <richardschwerdtfeger> ok
15:20:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> I have a lot of the edits done
15:20:47 <joanie> yay!
15:25:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> great, just great
15:25:55 <joanie> ?
15:26:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> they have a doc-endnote that subclasses listitem
15:26:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> but doc-endnotes is a landmark
15:26:25 <richardschwerdtfeger> so a floating listitem without a list
15:26:25 <joanie> I think I commented on that
15:26:29 <joanie> one sec
15:26:54 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/278
15:27:34 <joanie> i remember tzviya says something about that, but I forget what (and where)
15:28:37 <joanie> richardschwerdtfeger: it's addressed in dpub.html
15:28:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> it is?
15:29:10 <joanie> well, c&p error it looks like
15:29:13 <joanie> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#doc-endnote
15:29:23 <joanie> Authors must ensure that elements with role doc-biblioentry are contained in, or owned, by an element with the role list.
15:29:33 <joanie> so s/doc-biblioentry/doc-endnote/
15:30:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> did they take out biblioentry?
15:31:05 <joanie> I forget. I'll look
15:31:48 <joanie> no
15:31:51 <joanie> it's still there
15:31:59 <joanie> but an endnote is not a biblioentry
15:32:24 <joanie> they apparently copied the normative statement from doc-biblioentry
15:32:31 <joanie> but then neglected to change the role
15:34:15 <richardschwerdtfeger> ok so it is just xml role
15:34:16 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/7d6b00573e
15:34:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> what is that?
15:34:29 <joanie> dpub.html needs to be corrected
15:34:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> where are you looking?
15:34:52 <joanie> you said there were floating listitems
15:34:59 <joanie> I said dpub.html addresses that
15:35:13 <joanie> but the statement that addresses it is incorrect
15:35:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> ok. Let matt garrish know
15:35:35 <joanie> k
15:36:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> I am going to add a change log and then I would like your comments after I push it
15:36:07 <joanie> k
15:38:53 <richardschwerdtfeger> forgot hover mapping
15:38:55 <richardschwerdtfeger> grumble
15:39:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> or was it cover
15:39:17 <joanie> cover
15:39:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> so that is now an image
15:39:44 <joanie> yes
15:59:20 <ShaneM> joanie: fixed respec is now live.  I am going to grab an aria tree and test against it.  I won't put in a PR unless you want one though
15:59:53 <joanie> ShaneM: if it works, please update the spec to use it
15:59:59 <joanie> I don't need a PR for that though
16:00:16 <ShaneM> okay boss
16:08:39 <ShaneM> joanie: okay I pushed that change into master - only on aria.html .  I will send out an email .
16:08:47 <joanie> thanks ShaneM!! :)
16:11:29 <tzviya> hi\
16:11:35 <tzviya> matt updated DPUB-ARIA
16:11:59 <ShaneM> cool - just now?
16:12:23 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/commit/c26a3541180f9b322d2f3d04673e2c815193c57a#diff-59a32debd55372a9fff0f3e3444461a8
16:12:34 <tzviya> yes, he's superfast, and we were in the worst EPUB call
16:13:01 <joanie> yay!
16:13:58 <ShaneM> lol.  new respec is smaller and faster too, but that's not really important this week.
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