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15:50:13 <Lisa_Seeman>  Chair:Lisa_Seeman
15:50:14 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda: this
15:50:16 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  review actions, and timelines
15:50:17 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+  Tables for roadmap
15:50:19 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ What have we missed for issues page,Emma, globish etc
15:50:20 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
15:50:45 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
16:32:43 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
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17:02:43 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/blog/2015/09/tpac-2016-dates-and-location-announced/
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17:06:40 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
17:07:06 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/track/actions/open
17:08:11 <Lisa_Seeman> michael are you there
17:08:13 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules
17:08:59 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I will have a coordination call with Michael afterwards
17:09:30 <JohnRochford> Lisa: ddahl has open action items
17:10:09 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
17:10:14 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Next issue is to look at tables
17:11:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: 1st table - anyone need more time to look at that?
17:12:22 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html
17:13:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: To create Table 1, I looked at security in techniques document
17:13:38 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Proposal_for_WCAG
17:14:15 <JohnRochford> Rich: First link in Table 1 goes to Lisa's C: drive.
17:17:13 <janina> present+ Janina
17:17:52 <JohnRochford> Lisa is describing work put into Table 1
17:18:39 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
17:19:00 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Does Table 1 make sense?
17:19:24 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Who thinks that it does make sense?
17:19:55 <JohnRochford> Rich: For this example, the content ties into the information above it in a clean way.
17:20:55 <JohnRochford> Correction: KurtM said "For this example, the content ties into the information above it in a clean way."
17:21:42 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Let's look at Table 7, which was harder / more difficult.
17:22:11 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I have to go back and redo Table 7.
17:24:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa is describing work she performed on Table 7.
17:25:02 <JohnRochford> KurtM: Lisa, are you matching slow readers with comprehension?
17:26:12 <JohnRochford> Lisa resumes describing Table 7 work.
17:26:40 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Are people happy with Table 7?
17:26:53 <Lisa_Seeman> Q?
17:27:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Do the tables (7 & 1) make sense to people?
17:28:22 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe error
17:28:30 <Lisa_Seeman> it was kurt
17:29:05 <janina> zakim, mute me
17:29:05 <Zakim> sorry, janina, I can't do that anymore
17:31:14 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
17:32:18 <Lisa_Seeman> debie: the tables are realy long , so much in a cell
17:32:29 <Lisa_Seeman> lisa: we could move out the discusion
17:32:53 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman
17:32:58 <Lisa_Seeman> debie: the tables are realy long , so much in a cell
17:33:02 <Lisa_Seeman> lisa: we could move out the discusion
17:33:25 <Lisa_Seeman> kurt: when would people look at the links - it dig deaper?
17:33:37 <Lisa_Seeman> and should be be after
17:34:04 <Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: I wouldnt, people need to see it
17:34:29 <Lisa_Seeman> for one row
17:35:01 <Lisa_Seeman> debie agrees with kurt
17:35:59 <Lisa_Seeman> John R link to the bottem for the
17:36:21 <Lisa_Seeman> Lisa: have a link to it from the user need
17:38:30 <Lisa_Seeman> John R: likes the table anoying horisontal table. but why do we need it
17:38:59 <Lisa_Seeman> for other userg groups who will complain whjy need things
17:44:03 <Lisa_Seeman> john: to much information
17:44:27 <Lisa_Seeman> maybe each table will be its own page
17:44:49 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
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17:46:35 <JohnRochford> ddahl: Is it redundant to have explanatory text and links to that text (external to the page)?
17:48:01 <JohnRochford> Lisa: A problem is that the link URLs will change.
17:48:04 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/table.html
17:48:48 <JohnRochford> Michael: Global copy and replace would not be too hard.
17:49:20 <JohnRochford> Michael: Editing tables is a pain in the arse.
17:50:11 <JohnRochford> Michael: You could move all the content to GitHub now.
17:50:47 <JohnRochford> Michael: It is easier to share editing in GitHub than it is in the Wiki.
17:52:03 <JohnRochford> Michael: I recommend not overwhelming the table with content; and instead using links. Also, you could have dynamic tables.
17:53:38 <JohnRochford> Michael: A common approach is to have a twistie that opens up more content.
17:53:59 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:54:57 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Lisa_Seeman
17:55:08 <Lisa_Seeman> i like the idea of more content palled in real time
17:55:26 <Lisa_Seeman> jquery will support it
17:55:58 <Lisa_Seeman> michale: libarier or html summaries  might do ti
17:56:36 <Lisa_Seeman> 1.4.3 Instructions, labels, navigation and important information are provided with a clear writing style that includes:
17:56:44 <Lisa_Seeman> miss out the bullet pints
17:57:11 <MichaelC> <details>1.4.3 Instructions, labels, navigation and important information are provided with a clear writing style</details>
17:57:18 <MichaelC> <details>
17:57:21 <MichaelC> 1.4.3 Instructions, labels, navigation and important information are provided with a clear writing style
17:57:26 <MichaelC> <details>
17:57:28 <MichaelC> <summary>
17:57:28 <MichaelC> 1.4.3 Instructions, labels, navigation and important information are provided with a clear writing style
17:57:31 <MichaelC> </summary>
17:57:33 <MichaelC> bullets
17:57:35 <MichaelC> </details>
17:58:33 <Lisa_Seeman> kurt: that will make more digestible
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17:59:40 <MichaelC> It´s a HTML 5.1 feature: https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#the-details-element
17:59:58 <MichaelC> Probably need a script ¨polyfill¨ for backwards compatibility, but can manage ti
18:00:01 <Lisa_Seeman> lisa: doing it by script will keep it current
18:00:11 <Lisa_Seeman> even if the wording on the souce changes
18:02:54 <Lisa_Seeman> 1.4.3 Instructions, labels, navigation and important information are provided with a clear writing style that includes:
18:02:56 <Lisa_Seeman> more
18:09:32 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, make logs public
18:09:44 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:09:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/07-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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18:10:31 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:10:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger, Debbie_Dahl, JohnRochford
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18:10:42 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, please part
18:10:42 <RRSAgent> I see no action items