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13:58:32 <tzviya> zakim, this is DPUB-ARIA
13:58:32 <Zakim> got it, tzviya
13:58:55 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Mar/0000.html
13:58:59 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
14:01:29 <janina> I was the ghost, I think!
14:01:37 <janina> present+ Janina
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14:06:32 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html
14:06:39 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
14:07:19 <tzviya> DPUB is publishing the next draft of DPUB-ARIA in the next few weeks
14:07:44 <tzviya> Rich: We need to get the AAM in the same time frame
14:08:32 <tzviya> Tzviya: We have cleaned up the superclasses
14:09:13 <tzviya> Rich: are the section symbols supposed to be present?
14:09:37 <tzviya> Ivan: Not by default
14:09:56 <tzviya> Matt: I didn't add. Styles all went whacky in the last day
14:10:35 <tzviya> Michael: ARIA Ed group was told that ReSpec is broken. Shane is working on it.
14:10:56 <tzviya> Rich: Remove issues related to roles as links
14:11:10 <tzviya> Matt: there are only 2 issues remaining to discuss
14:12:08 <tzviya> ...doc-glossref had question of inheriting from link, but it may not always be an active link
14:12:11 <tzviya> ...Is this OK?
14:12:43 <tzviya> Rich: Why wouldn't it be activatable?
14:15:10 <tzviya> Markus: sometimes glossary terms are not linked to stand-alone glossary because publisher can't afford to do all the linking
14:15:30 <tzviya> ...but it's useful for AT to know that the term is a reference to the glossary
14:17:11 <tzviya> Rich: we could put a state on this, aria disabled="true"
14:17:55 <tzviya> Janina: Is this still a production problem today? Are we protecting legacy content?
14:19:15 <tzviya> Matt: Maybe this is really "keyword" not glossref
14:20:44 <tzviya> Markus: We saw demos based on
14:20:58 <tzviya> ..."learning-objective" semantics
14:22:52 <tzviya> Ivan: Recommend adding video of demos from EPUB Summit
14:24:10 <tzviya> Adding "doc-keyword"
14:25:26 <tzviya> matt: doc-locator role has an issue about whether to change name
14:25:36 <tzviya> https://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/aria/dpub.html#doc-locator
14:26:16 <tzviya> matt: this is the method to return to an element, catch-all means of jumping back from a reference
14:26:56 <tzviya> ivan: wondering about the term. Does it really indicate bi-directionality?
14:27:06 <tzviya> ...what about "origin"
14:27:31 <tzviya> Matt: not always one origin
14:27:42 <tzviya> Tzviya: what about "return"?
14:27:54 <tzviya> Matt: Was "refer" at some point
14:29:38 <tzviya> Janina: Origin suggests a path
14:30:22 <tzviya> Matt: I don't know if origin has anything to do with finding way back to reference
14:30:55 <tzviya> Tzviya: Could be basic like "backlink"
14:31:30 <mgylling> +1
14:31:38 <tzviya> change locator to backlink
14:32:30 <tzviya> Tzviya: Matt, Markus, and I discussed doc-title, and doc-subtitle
14:33:15 <tzviya> Matt: We had open issues on both items. People had been using doc-title for various things, including parts of headers, parts of figures, etx
14:33:20 <tzviya> s/etx/etc
14:33:59 <tzviya> Matt: subtitle is used for things https://www.w3.org/TR/html51/semantics.html#sub-head
14:34:15 <tzviya> ...There isn't really a good method for subtitling in HTML
14:34:42 <tzviya> ...We don't really think this is DPUB specific, and we would like to see this in ARIA Core
14:35:11 <tzviya> Ivan: the fact that this is in DPUB shouldn't be an issue. Anyone can use this
14:35:20 <tzviya> Rich: I agree
14:35:36 <tzviya> ...the issue is whether we have the semantics we need
14:35:47 <tzviya> ...we have to get this into browers anyway
14:36:12 <tzviya> ...I think the DPUB stuff will be implemented everywhere
14:36:34 <tzviya> Ivan: It's fine to keep it here. And, it's easier for Rich
14:38:09 <tzviya> doc-subtitle is back
14:38:49 <tzviya> Markus: we will add role="doc-assessment"
14:39:56 <tzviya> Matt: assessment is one of the critical ones for education content.
14:40:29 <tzviya> Ivan: Will the definition allow me to use this in scholarly paper in which people make assessments at the end
14:41:35 <tzviya> Tzviya: This is a different kind of assessment. It refers to a interactive testing
14:42:47 <tzviya> Matt: It might not make a difference to processors whether people use this for other types of assessment
14:45:19 <tzviya> Markus: the term "assessment" is very important to education, and it will be tough to change the actual term
14:45:31 <tzviya> Ivan: We may have to create other ARIA Modules
14:46:17 <tzviya> we will not assessment now
14:47:56 <tzviya> Janina: Media Query approach for extended description failed, and we need to consider what approach to take
14:48:57 <tzviya> Ivan: It also seems that aria-linktype (in lieu of @rel) is dead
14:49:18 <tzviya> ...To be clear, there is no way to annotate the nature of a link?
14:50:53 <tzviya> Markus: There is no way with a controlled vocab, but many will argue that it is possible with aria-description
14:51:01 <tzviya> ...or title
14:52:39 <tzviya> Ivan: it would be helpful for us to understand why aria-linktype was rejected. It is unclear to us what the issue
14:55:21 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/03/03-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya
14:56:03 <tzviya> bye, zakim
14:56:31 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
14:56:31 <tzviya> zakim, bye
14:56:31 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been Janina, tzviya, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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14:56:44 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
14:56:49 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
14:56:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items