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16:12:22 <Lisa_Seeman>   agenda: this
16:12:23 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  review actions, and timelines
16:12:25 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ with michael - do we publish supporting documents ?
16:12:26 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Iso update (Andy Heath)
16:12:28 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ What have we missed for issues page,Emma, globish etc
16:12:29 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Tables
16:12:31 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  kurts email
16:12:32 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+  Next ftf
16:12:34 <Lisa_Seeman>  agenda+ be done
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16:57:52 <Rich> present+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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17:01:26 <janina> present+ Janina
17:01:43 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: JohnRochford
17:03:17 <JohnRochford> Lisa: We have 3 thing I would like to do today.
17:03:51 <JohnRochford> Lisa: 1) Dependent docs. Need stable URIs.
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17:04:44 <JohnRochford> 2) ISO issue Andy wants to raise.
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17:05:10 <Lisa_Seeman> kurts email
17:05:12 <JohnRochford> 3) Kurt's email
17:05:34 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
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17:06:37 <JohnRochford> Michael: Lots of links to Wiki and raw git. We can't use raw git
17:07:09 <JohnRochford> Michael: We need to publish the issue papers alongside the gap analyses
17:07:31 <JohnRochford> Michael: Option: Remove all refs to raw git and Wiki
17:08:14 <JohnRochford> Michael: These are structural issues.
17:08:17 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:08:49 <JohnRochford> Lisa: The issue papers and the techniques docs are all mature.
17:09:38 <JohnRochford> Lisa: I think the issue papers should be published as working drafts.
17:09:48 <Mike_Pluke> Can't get audio connection via Webex, keep getting the spinning wheel and "Connecting". Tried Chrome and Internet Explorer!
17:10:16 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules
17:10:59 <JohnRochford>  Lisa: We could publish a 2nd working draft of the user-research module
17:11:29 <Lisa_Seeman> https://w3c.github.io/coga/techniques/index.html
17:11:39 <EA> I am having the same problem
17:12:20 <EA> Sorry Webex not wanting to connect despite closing and trying again.  Watching on this channel
17:12:32 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/gap-analysis/
17:12:33 <JohnRochford> Michael: Publishing these docs will add at least 2 to 3 weeks to the timeline
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17:13:27 <Lisa_Seeman> https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html and https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/
17:13:39 <JohnRochford> Lisa: It's worth waiting "a little bit"
17:14:35 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Does anyone want to take out the references so we can publish this week?
17:16:18 <JohnRochford> Rich: Does 3 weeks hurt us?
17:16:35 <Lisa_Seeman> call for conciseness to take to first working draft https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/techniques/index.html and https://rawgit.com/w3c/coga/master/issue-papers/
17:16:38 <JohnRochford> Michael: No
17:16:57 <Lisa_Seeman> and all the dependent documents
17:17:35 <Lisa_Seeman> all the issue papers
17:17:43 <Mike_Pluke> +1
17:17:48 <JohnRochford> +1
17:17:51 <Lisa_Seeman> +1
17:17:55 <KurtM> +1
17:18:09 <ddahl> +1
17:18:14 <EA> +1
17:18:39 <MichaelC> +1
17:18:54 <janina> +1
17:19:32 <Lisa_Seeman> carried
17:19:50 <Lisa_Seeman> action: lisa to ask the list if there are any objections
17:19:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-154 - Ask the list if there are any objections [on Lisa Seeman - due 2016-02-29].
17:20:32 <JohnRochford> Lisa: John Kirkwood is a new member.
17:20:35 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
17:21:39 <JohnRochford> John K: Internet realm since 1996, on W3C many years ago, have a cognitive disability myself (since 2002), want to make the world better for people w/ CD
17:21:56 <Lisa_Seeman> welcome John! delighted to have you
17:22:44 <Lisa_Seeman> iso sc35
17:22:51 <Lisa_Seeman> user needs
17:23:07 <Lisa_Seeman> (used to be 2938)
17:23:08 <JohnRochford> KurtM: Worked with a couple of W3C TF groups before; I work on a number of accessibility standards, including SC35
17:23:22 <Lisa_Seeman> john this is andy heath
17:23:33 <JohnRochford> Sorry!
17:23:50 <Lisa_Seeman> no problem :)
17:24:21 <JohnRochford> Andy: SC35 has taken over the work, and the needs have expanded tremendously
17:26:04 <JohnRochford> Andy: A good thing to do would be to have you (COGA TF) go through a couple of user-needs docs
17:27:33 <JohnRochford> Andy: We should capture as many user needs as we can for both our groups
17:29:30 <JohnRochford> Andy: Will send the docs, which are not online
17:30:28 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Andy, will you write an email about that?
17:30:35 <JohnRochford> Andy: Yes.
17:31:06 <Lisa_Seeman> q?
17:31:43 <JohnRochford> Mike: Are these updates to the 2009 docs?
17:31:47 <JohnRochford> Andy: Yes.
17:32:31 <JohnRochford> Andy: I'm working outside SC35 in the commercial space
17:33:33 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Harmonization perhaps should be our goal
17:34:27 <JohnRochford> Lisa: In Israel, law is based upon WCAG with one or 2 exceptions
17:35:38 <KurtM> Lost audio
17:36:07 <JohnRochford> Lisa: Can we do something similar for COGA, in which every need we come up with is included?
17:36:13 <JohnRochford> Andy: Yes.
17:36:25 <EA> Sadly I have lost sound again but I wanted to ask about harmonisation and BS 8878 news to get the broader picture?
17:36:29 <KurtM> Dialed in on phone
17:36:53 <JohnRochford> q+ for EA
17:37:00 <Lisa_Seeman> great now i lost audio
17:37:14 <JohnRochford> I have lost audio
17:37:35 <Kirkwood> lost audio, too
17:38:03 <andy> mine too
17:38:13 <janina> Looks like we lost Lisa!
17:38:13 <Mike_Pluke> That makes all of us?
17:38:19 <janina> Ah, here she is!
17:38:49 <Lisa_Seeman> we are weighting for people to call in
17:39:15 <Lisa_Seeman> john is back
17:39:28 <Kirkwood> back
17:39:48 <janina> present+ Janina
17:40:15 <andy> tried calling in on audio again but no joy - should I leave the webex and start it again ?
17:40:21 <Lisa_Seeman> kurt, John R, John k,
17:40:22 <janina> Yes, Andy
17:40:23 <ddahl> i'm back
17:40:39 <Lisa_Seeman> you should just be able to conct via the phone or skype
17:40:51 <Lisa_Seeman> if not leave and rejoin
17:41:03 <janina> \Or, you can sip:6173240000@mit.edu
17:41:06 <JohnRochford> lost audio again
17:41:18 <KurtM> Kurt agrees with MichaelC
17:41:27 <Lisa_Seeman> or webex can call you
17:42:02 <andy> still no joy with audio
17:42:10 <janina> Andy, do you have sip?
17:42:22 <Lisa_Seeman> maybe login again
17:43:15 <Lisa_Seeman> does anyone have a problem with the aim of harmanisation
17:44:02 <EA> No problem with harmonisation just one with technology!
17:44:03 <Rich> s/harmanisation/harmonization/
17:44:25 <JohnRochford> +1 to harmonization
17:45:07 <JohnRochford> -1 to no audio
17:45:11 <andy> my audio just won’t connect now
17:45:25 <Lisa_Seeman> have you asked webex to call you
17:45:55 <andy> don’t have a landline - can it work to cellphone ?
17:46:05 <Lisa_Seeman> yes
17:46:28 <Lisa_Seeman> ea can you hear me?
17:47:07 <EA> No sorry - I can access via Skype if necessary
17:47:20 <Lisa_Seeman> or ask webex to call you
17:48:16 <Lisa_Seeman> We will revisit this is two or three weeks
17:48:17 <JohnRochford> I'm trying with WebEx, but it just asked me to pass a CAPTCHA, which I cannot see.
17:48:40 <JohnRochford> No audio alternative
17:48:57 <Lisa_Seeman> EA can you send us an email
17:49:36 <JohnRochford> I give up. I look forward to talking with and hearing you next week.
17:49:53 <Lisa_Seeman> john text me your phone number
17:49:59 <Lisa_Seeman> we will try and call you in
17:50:35 <JohnRochford> I can't do that, Lisa, but I appreciate the offer.
17:50:55 <KurtM> Scribe now Kurt
17:50:59 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: kurtM
17:51:16 <KurtM> resume discussion on harmonizing user needs
17:55:01 <KurtM> Doc EA has mentions cognitive impairments, but is broader than cognitive, includes process for accessibility
17:56:26 <KurtM> Lisa question - should TF keep list of docs to be considered for Harmonization?
17:57:54 <KurtM> MichaelC - Judy prefers to be involved in harmonization efforts from a WAI perspective
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17:59:53 <KurtM> Lisa will obtain docs from Andy, distribute to group, all docs need to remain private
18:00:45 <KurtM> Lisa wants to finish first working draft prior to harmonization efforts
18:01:13 <KurtM> Target 2nd working draft for incorporating harmonization bits
18:03:28 <KurtM> Lisa will wrap up minutes
18:03:41 <KurtM> Thanks Lisa, some day I'll know how to do that
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18:04:24 <Lisa_Seeman> rrsagent, create minutes
18:04:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/22-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
18:04:34 <Lisa_Seeman> zakim, please part
18:04:34 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, Rich_Schwerdtfeger
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