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15:24:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:24:48 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:24:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:24:49 <trackbot> Date: 10 February 2016
15:25:00 <shawn> agenda?
15:25:06 <shawn> zakim, clear agenda
15:25:06 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:25:12 <shawn> present:
15:25:26 <shawn> present+ Shawn, Jim
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15:26:23 <shawn> present+ JohnRockford
15:27:19 <JohnRochford> +JohnRochford
15:27:45 <JohnRochford> present+ JohnRochford
15:28:28 <allanj> agenda+ Color blindness - not include stats? #20 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/20
15:28:30 <allanj> agenda+ Change to focus on ICT more broadly #9 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/9
15:28:31 <allanj> agenda+ Address JB's comment on international perspective #8 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/8
15:28:33 <allanj> agenda+ User Needs - specific settings #21 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/21
15:28:34 <allanj> agenda+ Scope and specificity #16 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/16
15:28:36 <allanj> agenda+ Change to scope and definition #10 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/10
15:28:37 <allanj> agenda+ Separate color from contrast #15 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/15
15:28:39 <allanj> agenda+ Brightness #22 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/22 (changed from https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/18)
15:28:40 <allanj> agenda+ Factual Correction #17 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/17
15:28:42 <allanj> (If Wayne and I work on it Tuesday morning, we might get it ready before the telcon. Otherwise, we might want to ask the LVTF if this can be put off until after FPWD -- in which case we might want to add a specific review note that we're working on it...)
15:29:39 <laura> present+ Laura
15:30:28 <shawn> present+ Andrew
15:30:34 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:30:34 <Zakim> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRockford, JohnRochford, Laura, Andrew
15:30:49 <shawn> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRockford, Laura, Andrew
15:31:06 <Wayne> Wayne has joined #lvtf
15:31:22 <JohnRochford> I'm being identified incorrectly. Last name = Rochford
15:32:53 <shawn> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Andrew
15:33:15 <laura> Scribe: Laura
15:33:38 <AWK> ZAkim, take up item 1
15:33:38 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Color blindness - not include stats? #20 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/issues/20" taken up [from allanj]
15:33:38 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:33:40 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, laura
15:34:26 <laura> Jim: Any objections to including the stats?
15:34:27 <shawn> OK with infcluding the stats
15:34:31 <laura> …none
15:34:52 <laura> RESOLUTION: No objections to including the stats
15:35:26 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:35:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Change to focus on ICT more broadly #9 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/9" taken up [from allanj]
15:36:13 <laura> Jim: Okay with Shawn’s wording?
15:37:29 <laura> …none
15:37:41 <laura> RESOLUTION: No objections to Shawn’s wording
15:37:50 <allanj> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/9#issuecomment-181577087
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15:38:22 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:38:22 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Address JB's comment on international perspective #8 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/8" taken up [from allanj]
15:40:56 <laura> AWK: Looked into the legal aspect. Want to make sure we are speaking broadly.
15:41:14 <laura> Shawn: Thinks we cover it.
15:41:36 <laura> AWK:  Okay.
15:42:07 <allanj> shawn's wording - https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/8#issuecomment-181540462
15:42:09 <laura> RESOLUTION:  No objections to Shawn’s wording.
15:42:23 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:42:23 <Zakim> agendum 4. "User Needs - specific settings #21 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/21" taken up [from allanj]
15:44:25 <allanj> change note: https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/21/files?diff=split
15:44:28 <laura> RESOLUTION:  No objections to Shawn’s wording.
15:44:42 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:44:42 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Scope and specificity #16 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/16" taken up [from allanj]
15:46:03 <shawn> "Most people with low vision have multiple visual impairments. For example, people with macular degeneration usually develop central field loss ("blind spots"), poor visual acuity, low contrast sensitivity, and high light sensitivity."
15:46:15 <shawn> https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/16#issuecomment-181471268
15:49:25 <shawn> q+
15:49:53 <shawn> ack me
15:51:03 <laura> RESOLUTION: No objections to Shawn’s wording.
15:51:44 <JohnRochford> +1 to most
15:52:33 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:52:33 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Change to scope and definition #10 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/10" taken up [from allanj]
15:53:36 <shawn> Edit suggestion:
15:53:36 <shawn> Some people have extreme sensitivity to light (called photophobia). Bright light makes it difficult or impossible to see, and causes eye pain and headaches. For some people, the normal brightness of a computer screen with a light background is not readable and painful. They need to change the background to a darker color.
15:54:16 <allanj> +1
15:54:40 <laura> RESOLUTION:  No objections to Shawn’s wording.
15:54:48 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:54:48 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Separate color from contrast #15 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/15" taken up [from allanj]
15:55:14 <shawn> suggested rewording
15:55:17 <shawn> Contrast sensitivity is the ability to distinguish bright and dim areas of images, for example, to discern text on a background. A common accessibility barrier for people with low contrast sensitivity is gray text on a light background.
15:55:17 <shawn> Contrast is based on brightness ("luminance"). Colors that look very different (for example, red, blue, green) can have similar brightness, and not provide sufficient contrast. Tools are available to determine the contrast ratio between colors.
15:55:59 <shawn> [ maybe without ("luminance") depending later discussion ]
15:57:24 <laura> RESOLUTION:  No objections to Shawn’s wording.
15:57:31 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:57:31 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Brightness #22 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/22 (changed from https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/18)" taken up [from allanj]
15:59:26 <JohnRochford> +1 to brightness rather than luminence
15:59:44 <allanj> +1 to brightness rather than luminence
16:00:20 <jon_avila> using brightness is good with me as I think it is more understood
16:00:29 <shawn> use Brightness for the heading, and then put something like this: "Brightness relates to luminance and luminosity. [references] This document  uses &quot;brightness&quot; for simplicity.  -- and then a separate write up on the more about  luminance and luminosity
16:00:55 <laura> Wayne: Brightness is a generic term. Could write another paragraph explaining things.
16:01:44 <shawn> ACTION: Wayne write up bit on luminance and luminosity for a WAI page (or wiki page)
16:01:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-34 - Write up bit on luminance and luminosity for a wai page (or wiki page) [on Wayne Dick - due 2016-02-17].
16:02:01 <laura> RESOLUTION: No objections to Shawn’s wording.
16:02:06 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:02:06 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Factual Correction #17 https://github.com/w3c/low-vision-a11y-tf/pull/17" taken up [from allanj]
16:03:37 <shawn> agenda?
16:04:39 <laura> Wayne: could leave it or could do a minor thing.
16:05:11 <jon_avila> I think the difference is important -- so thank you for bringing this up.  Not sure we have time to address now.
16:06:19 <laura> Jim: We could leave it for now and make a note we are working on that section.
16:09:08 <laura> RESOLUTION: No objections to making an explicit note that we are working on this visibility  section.
16:09:21 <laura> Topic: Sending to WCAG WG & EOWG for approval to publish
16:09:26 <shawn> http://w3c.github.io/low-vision-a11y-tf/requirements.html#to-do-before-fpwd
16:10:27 <allanj> things to do:
16:11:08 <laura> Shawn: Still some items to take care of @@ etc.
16:12:39 <jon_avila> +1 I am ok with the images
16:12:49 <JohnRochford> +1 I am ok with the images
16:12:58 <allanj> +1 am ok with images
16:13:06 <laura> Laura: +1
16:13:25 <shawn> I'll take a look at the images
16:14:48 <laura> shawn: may still have some minor tweaks.
16:15:38 <shawn> to dos:
16:15:41 <shawn> Sources / references 3Feb e-mail
16:15:41 <shawn> "categorical statements that should be qualified" 3Feb e-mail (see also 3 Feb minutes "spacing is an issue for all people including those without low vision")
16:15:41 <shawn> Final issues before FPWD
16:15:42 <shawn> Images
16:15:42 <shawn> CSS
16:15:42 <shawn> @@s throughout
16:16:39 <laura> wayne: references in wiki are quite complete.
16:17:38 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Research
16:17:40 <laura> Shawn: don’t want to point to something that can change.
16:18:33 <laura> …could leave it flexible for now.
16:18:45 <shawn> zakim, who is on the phone?
16:18:45 <Zakim> Present: Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Andrew
16:18:56 <shawn> present+ JonAvila
16:20:35 <laura> RESOLUTION: Accept sending to WCAG WG & EOWG for approval to publish with understanding completion of minor “to dos” and notification.
16:20:48 <JohnRochford> +1
16:20:52 <allanj> +1
16:21:09 <laura> Laura: +1
16:21:12 <Wayne> +1
16:21:45 <shawn> +1
16:22:21 <laura> Topic: Use cases
16:22:25 <laura> Wayne: Looking at use cases. Thinking that organization should be inverted.
16:23:03 <laura> …example font size and single column has 2 uses.
16:23:57 <laura> Jim:  good idea. But wants to take up next item.
16:24:13 <allanj> use technical aspect first and group user needs beneath
16:25:00 <laura> Topic: Visibility, Legibility, Readability
16:25:44 <allanj> visibility - can i see it at all
16:26:23 <laura> Shawn: Visibility = Can see if text is there.
16:27:03 <laura> Wayne: Difference of what a person can see and what they can read.
16:28:40 <shawn> [ I need to do more reading up on this because right now I'm thinking differently about legibility and readability...]
16:29:32 <laura> Tinker study on what makes type legibile
16:30:18 <laura> Jim: Visibility term is new to me.
16:30:35 <shawn> +1 to Jim that visbility is new. and that we might need only legibility and readability
16:31:01 <allanj> [me also - http://logotalks.com/2012/06/05/font-readability-and-legibility/]
16:31:46 <shawn> Tinker, Miles A. (1963). Legibility of Print. Iowa: Iowa State University Press.
16:31:46 <shawn> Note: In his seminal research, Tinker used only the term legibility to avoid confusion with readability formulas for the level of difficulty of the language; however, most recent literature distinguishes between legibility and readability as explain on this page. [from http://www.tader.info/understanding.html#refreadability ]
16:32:02 <laura> wayne: Visibility  is usually called acuity limit. 20/20 line
16:32:40 <laura> shawn: we need to work on this some more.
16:33:18 <laura> Jime: Thanks all.
16:35:12 <laura> rrsagent, make minutes
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16:46:43 <laura> trackbot, end meeting
16:46:43 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:46:45 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Shawn, Jim, JohnRochford, Laura, Andrew, JonAvila
16:46:51 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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16:46:52 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:46:52 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-lvtf-actions.rdf :
16:46:52 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Wayne write up bit on luminance and luminosity for a WAI page (or wiki page) [1]
16:46:52 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2016/02/10-lvtf-irc#T16-01-44