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13:57:40 <tzviya> zakim, this is DPUB-ARIA
13:57:40 <Zakim> got it, tzviya
13:58:04 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dpub-aria/2016Feb/0000.html
13:58:09 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
13:58:14 <tzviya> present+ Tzviya
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14:03:54 <tzviya> present+ Janina, Ivan, Markus
14:05:29 <tzviya> present+ Rich
14:05:35 <richardschwerdtfeger> preseent+ Rich_Schwerdtfeger
14:06:36 <mgylling> http://idpf.org/news/first-editors-draft-of-epub-31-available-for-review
14:07:27 <tzviya> tzviya: IDPF published ed draft of EPUB 3.1 last week
14:07:38 <tzviya> ...there are some dependencies on ARIA
14:07:56 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/issues/1009
14:07:56 <mgylling> https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2006
14:08:21 <tzviya> Rich: I am working on extended descriptions
14:08:50 <tzviya> ...creating relationship for ext desc, requirement for it to be exposed to AT, it has to be visible
14:09:54 <tzviya> ...in contact with CSS regarding media query for hide/show
14:10:04 <tzviya> Janina: i've been in contact with florian
14:10:44 <tzviya> ...the author doesn't do anything special. The media query is for UA not author
14:10:55 <tzviya> tzviya: what can dpub do to help?
14:11:05 <ivan> q+
14:11:17 <tzviya> Janina: Let's see what James and Florian say in response to MQ question
14:11:19 <tzviya> ack iv
14:11:36 <tzviya> ivan: please explain exactly what MQ would do
14:12:25 <tzviya> Janina: default is that descriptions are disabled. User can enable descriptions, up to UA to determine UI
14:13:08 <tzviya> Ivan: understood, but what is the query? What is the relation to MQ? Usually this relates to things like screen size
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14:13:51 <tzviya> Rich: CSS needs to create am attribute similar to inverting colors
14:14:02 <tzviya> ...basically context issues
14:14:25 <ShaneM> User / Device state
14:14:46 <tzviya> ivan: in some ways, this is more about context and user preference than media queries
14:14:55 <tzviya> scribenick: Tzviya
14:15:23 <tzviya> https://drafts.csswg.org/mediaqueries-4/
14:15:25 <tzviya> q?
14:15:34 <ShaneM> The naming is historical / legacy
14:17:13 <tzviya> Tzviya: link-types (https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/track/actions/2006) is with Joanie?
14:17:32 <tzviya> Markus: We are trying to figure out how we can help
14:18:37 <tzviya> Rich: We are trying to get this into the content, and we have a new consensus policy. At this point, just need to support it
14:19:09 <tzviya> ...People are generally supportive of link-type approach. We need to write it
14:19:20 <tzviya> ...make sure that all link-types are represented
14:20:07 <tzviya> ...Extended Descriptions becomes a browser prefence and need to discuss how access it
14:20:46 <tzviya> ...This is likely to be a reading system issue
14:21:03 <tzviya> Tzviya: How does this solve anything then?
14:21:57 <tzviya> Ivan: There are numerous things that I can set in my browser: font size, etc. If the model is that I set this in the CSS, maybe we want to put this in a larger context
14:22:13 <tzviya> ...Maybe this is not just about extended descriptions?
14:22:20 <tzviya> Janina: Yes, but one step at a time
14:22:47 <tzviya> Rich: After ARIA 1.1, I'll be working on p18n as well
14:23:05 <tzviya> ...I can't see an OS-wide system for revealing extended descriptions
14:23:46 <tzviya> ...Once we resolve link-types, we need to do another pass at API mappings with all vendors
14:24:10 <tzviya> ...How does this get pulled into EPUB?
14:24:20 <tzviya> Tzviya: It is a reference
14:26:39 <tzviya> Tzviya: We are scheduled to publish another draft of DPUB-ARIA in March. This affects testing and APIs
14:26:58 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Notes
14:28:10 <tzviya> Shane: HTML A11y TF will discuss notes today, checking to see if this group has any changes
14:29:24 <ivan> q+
14:29:43 <tzviya> ...is there still interest in this community in creating something for notes?
14:30:00 <ivan> q-
14:30:06 <tzviya> tzviya: dpub-aria has role="footnote | footnotes | noteref"
14:30:56 <tzviya> markus: there is also the possibility of link-type = "noteref"
14:31:21 <tzviya> Janina: We are pulling 5.1 together as a following up to 5.0
14:31:23 <tzviya> q?
14:32:40 <tzviya> tzviya: once you're talking about a11y issues in html, please define whether there is a max char count for alt text and what it is
14:34:12 <tzviya> q?
14:34:27 <tzviya> rich: what does EPUB 3.1 say about describedat?
14:34:55 <ShaneM> https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
14:35:12 <tzviya> markus: we took it out of the draft. There is a placeholder for whatever ARIA comes up with to replace it
14:35:53 <ShaneM> tzviya: https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/#alt-restrict-no-difference
14:36:16 <ShaneM> lol - I meant https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/#alt-restrict-overflow
14:36:52 <tzviya> rrsagent, make logs public
14:37:12 <tzviya> bye, zakim
14:37:36 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
14:37:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/04-dpub-aria-minutes.html tzviya
14:38:20 <tzviya> rrsagent, bye
14:38:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items