16:21:07 RRSAgent has joined #auto 16:21:07 logging to http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-irc 16:24:24 kaz_ has joined #auto 16:24:55 philippec has joined #auto 16:32:23 philrob has joined #auto 16:32:56 Present+ Ted 16:33:00 agenda? 16:33:09 zakim, clear agendum 16:33:09 I don't understand 'clear agendum', ted 16:33:12 zakim, clear agenda 16:33:12 agenda cleared 16:34:19 Agenda+ LBS Web API 16:34:35 agenda+ Speech use cases and APIs 16:34:41 agenda+ Security 16:34:49 agenda+ Browser implementation 16:34:52 agenda+ AOB 16:34:54 zakim, next agendum 16:34:54 I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ted 16:34:58 present: Kaz_Ashimura, Philippe_Robin, Ted_Guild, Paul_Boyes, Gunnar_Andersson, Philippe_Colliot 16:35:16 PhilippeR reviews agenda 16:35:28 q? 16:35:31 zakim, next agendum 16:35:31 agendum 2. "Speech use cases and APIs" taken up [from ted] 16:35:40 q- 16:35:42 zakim, take up agendum 1 16:35:42 agendum 1. "LBS Web API" taken up [from ted] 16:36:41 PhilippeC: during the joint session (Genivi+W3C) in Seoul I explained the first step is to align the WebIDL with our internal API 16:37:03 … for the franca file alignment I pushed to the git repository 16:37:29 scrumb has joined #auto 16:37:35 … that is perhaps 95% of the work done. I have investigated how to generate the WebIDL content and researching that further 16:38:09 … currently the HMI is based on QML for navigation and my goal is to replace that with HTML 16:38:38 … Emscripten is one path being explored 16:38:51 i|for the franca|-> https://www.w3.org/2015/10/23-auto-minutes.html Auto BG f2f meeting in Seoul| 16:38:55 tempuser has joined #auto 16:38:59 q+ 16:39:22 … I spoke with Qing An (Alibaba) and he wants this proof of concept on github 16:40:36 … I spoke with him on Emscripten by email. Another issue is understanding WebIDL more. It is a rich language 16:41:08 … The idea is to be able to generate from the Franca IDL 16:41:25 q? 16:41:49 Paul: from the Genivi perspective is there anyone that can help with the in-between (binding) tooling? 16:42:28 PhilippeC: it is possible to generate a Web API and that is a good motivator for Klaus to generate that piece 16:43:09 Paul: that seems like it would be a worthwhile effort for generalizing that so we can expose other possible APIs as well 16:43:27 … Besides Klaus I know Harman is participating 16:43:57 PhilippeR: Franca is not on eclipse anymore, it is on github 16:44:19 … Don't you think we should both talk to Klaus? 16:44:57 -> https://github.com/franca/franca Franca Github repo 16:45:45 PhilippeC: Klaus was working on a generator in the past 16:46:14 franca on github : https://github.com/franca/franca// 16:46:41 Franca wiki on github: /https://github.com/franca/franca/wiki/ 16:46:53 ranca update site (will not work in browser): http://franca.github.io/franca/update_site/releases/ 16:46:57 ted: WebIDL is a W3C standard, and can ask people from W3C for help 16:47:14 s/ranca update/Franca update/ 16:48:19 ... would be useful to involve web developers/API developers 16:48:35 ... as well as C++ engineers 16:48:50 ... can try to find from the W3C side 16:48:53 q- 16:48:57 ... and you can try to find from the Genivi side 16:49:34 Paul: getting something tangible that people can look at is essential for getting them involved 16:50:18 … How would we communicate in the middle, Dbus? 16:50:34 PhilippeC: yes 16:51:16 Paul: it should be fairly straight forward to go from Franca to Web IDL. To be able to do so automatically (and continuously) would be helpful but maybe we need to do this manually 16:51:44 … we already have an API and need to work on the mapping 16:52:16 PhilippeC: clearly the target is to be able to do it automatically. I want an intermediate step for now 16:52:58 Paul: I think we can move that along and would like help going from Franca to WebIDL 16:54:34 PhilippeC: I need to get the rules for WebIDL 16:55:05 q+ 16:55:05 Paul: we can try to get some help from W3C people on WebIDL side and from Genivi Franca LBS side 16:55:26 Ted: I can try to get some people (Cameron from Mozilla and Yves from W3C) involved 16:55:30 +1 for the proposal just made 16:56:25 -> https://www.w3.org/TR/exi-for-json/ EXI for JSON draft 16:56:48 Kaz: recently EXI generated an interesting spec for exposing EXI as JSON 16:56:55 Paul: who can we get involved there? 16:57:12 Ted: Carine (W3C) is the Team contact there, I can ask for her input 16:58:22 s/EXI generated/EXI WG generated/ 16:59:53 PhilippeR: it would be good to have something together for a Genivi AMM 17:00:01 … including potentially a demonstration 17:00:07 Paul: that would be good 17:00:38 s/a Genivi AMM/the Genivi AMM in Paris/ 17:01:15 PhilippeR: it doesn't need to be fully functioning but start of work to interest more participants 17:01:46 Paul: correct, especially as it opens up the possibility of exposing more of the Franca IDL as Web API 17:02:26 PhilippeR: Phillipe (Colliet) is that possible for you? 17:03:11 PhilippeC: what I plan to do is make this in parallel. I hope by end of this week I hope to get some input from maintainer of Emscripten 17:03:56 … if I have time I will integrate it into my demo. I will at least show something during showcase at the AMM 17:04:12 … to have something to be able to compare to QML and native HMI 17:05:16 PhilippeR: there is a full fledged navigation system proof of concept demonstrating the various underlying APIs 17:05:54 PhilippeC: yes for example the adviser can propose a gas station en route when low on fuel 17:06:25 this is not a navigation system per se, it is an application that uses the many apis genivi has standardized 17:06:27 … I want this demo to connect to Web and retrieve data (eg gas price) 17:06:41 [thanks for the clarification] 17:06:53 q+ 17:07:06 PhilippeR: I also want some battery charging stations in the landscape 17:07:50 Kaz: I was at the Web of Things Working Group and they are presently working on demonstration for APIs, a plugfest to check interoperability 17:08:01 … we may want to do the same with Genivi and W3C 17:09:05 s/Working Group/Interest Group/ 17:09:53 PhilippeR: do you think that is reasonable within three months? 17:10:03 Kaz: we can start with some very small modules 17:10:49 PhilippeR: the AMM after this one will be in the Fall in Silicon Valley 17:11:23 [i think that might be a better target for a plugfest] 17:11:50 PhilippeR: tell me what you have in mind? 17:12:21 Kaz: we might want JLR and Access to provide some black boxes with W3C vehicle API and plug into Genivi stack 17:13:16 a? 17:13:17 agenda? 17:15:30 action Ted to follow up on existing WebIDL binding thread 17:15:30 Created ACTION-14 - Follow up on existing webidl binding thread [on Ted Guild - due 2016-02-09]. 17:15:45 [ sorry if what I mentioned sounded too ambitious. just wanted to mention plugfest activity for your information. ] 17:16:32 action Ted to learn more from EXI JSON IDL effort and WebIDL and make introductions to Team Contacts 17:16:32 Created ACTION-15 - Learn more from exi json idl effort and webidl and make introductions to team contacts [on Ted Guild - due 2016-02-09]. 17:16:47 action PhilippeR to reach out to Klaus on Franca IDL 17:16:48 Error finding 'PhilippeR'. You can review and register nicknames at . 17:16:49 zakim, next agendum 17:16:49 agendum 2. "Speech use cases and APIs" taken up [from ted] 17:16:52 agenda? 17:17:12 i/action Ted to follow up/Ted: summarizes the actions/ 17:17:19 rrsagent, make log public 17:17:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:17:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html kaz 17:18:24 zakim, take up agendum 4 17:18:24 agendum 4. "Browser implementation" taken up [from ted] 17:18:33 i/WebIDL is a W3C/scribenick: kaz/ 17:18:47 i/getting something tangible/scribenick: ted/ 17:18:48 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:18:48 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html kaz 17:19:15 i/PhilippeR reviews/scribenick: ted/ 17:19:17 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:19:17 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html kaz 17:19:18 Paul: I am not sure of the current browser work in Genivi. Chromium is easy to built, curious what the history is 17:19:32 PhilippeR: we have a Chromium based proof of concept 17:19:48 … we have some work from French company @@ 17:20:09 s/@@/Egalia/ 17:20:40 … they decided yesterday to document their work so we can see how it can merge into Genivi browser POC 17:20:51 … we can provide you an update and presentation in the near future 17:21:03 … perhaps best to wait and give a fuller update at a future meeting 17:21:16 [we agreed to meet every other week at this same time slot] 17:21:43 s/Egalia/Igalia/ 17:21:54 Paul: they are a W3C Member, saw some people from there at TPAC 17:22:39 s/Egalia/Igalia/ 17:23:07 -> https://www.w3.org/2000/09/dbwg/participants?org=62028&order=group Igalia involvement (Member visible) 17:23:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html ted 17:23:39 quit 17:23:52 [ Igalia participates in ARIA, Digital publishing, Web Platform, HTML Media Extensions, PF, Web&TV, etc. ] 17:24:13 quit 17:26:09 Meeting: GENIVI@W3C Coordination 17:26:13 Chair: Paul 17:26:26 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:26:26 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html kaz 17:28:13 s/[ Igalia participates in ARIA, Digital publishing, Web Platform, HTML Media Extensions, PF, Web&TV, etc. ]// 17:28:16 rrsagent, draft minutes 17:28:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2016/02/02-auto-minutes.html kaz