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15:07:22 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
15:07:22 <trackbot> Date: 18 December 2015
15:08:27 <fesch> chair: fred
15:09:07 <fesch> present+ fred
15:09:14 <AmeliaBR> present+ AmeliaBR
15:11:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
15:11:27 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: House Keeping
15:11:37 <fesch> ARIA test harness training at 1 pm
15:11:38 <fesch> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m7db77677168c3b593472b7bd18a744e2
15:11:40 <fesch> +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number
15:11:41 <fesch> Access code: 646 468 175
15:11:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: there is an aria test harness training session at 1pm today
15:12:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: In January Michael is going ot activate a  tracker for the task force
15:13:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: close out old defects in the the old tracker that are not valide.
15:14:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> s/valide/valid/
15:15:23 <richardschwerdtfeger> Rich: I will set up doodle pole on new testing time
15:15:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> Doug: I will look into starting an automated test harness project
15:16:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> Topic: Fred’s updates on testing
15:17:05 <fesch> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing
15:17:09 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I wrote a perl script to create the actual test files from the testable statements in the wiki
15:17:38 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the test skips over the to do in the testable statement and creates a test file with a svg wrapper.
15:17:46 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the orca browser does not complain
15:18:14 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: it puts in meta data for what is being tested. It captures what the test file is. the name, etc.
15:18:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the point is the meta data can be used to set up the test
15:18:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: charles and leonie have had to use inspect to do the testing
15:19:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I am building a seprate test that sucks in the json database files and through the use of radio buttons choose a suite of tests based on the svg or html wrapper
15:19:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the other radio buttons will say whether you are testing the role or name
15:19:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: it runs 21-29 tests
15:20:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: you click on the button and it shows a separate window to look in the accessibility tree. The element you are testing always has the id of test
15:20:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: youl will alway be able to find the test manually
15:20:48 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: in the diagram it will show what the test is that is being made
15:21:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I am going to put a button with pass or fail.
15:21:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: you can screenscrape the results and pass them on to michael cooper to record the results.
15:21:43 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I should have a sample of a debugging test interface that you can put on your own personal web server.
15:22:06 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: anyone have any questions?
15:22:13 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: I think we need to see it.
15:22:36 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: if magically web driver gets updated quick enough then we could use it
15:23:42 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the next steps in testing. We have 3, 4, or 5 things.
15:24:03 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: we need to look and see if the tests on the wiki are sufficient and whether they are valid.
15:24:20 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: then we need to look at the test driver is coming out Tuesday
15:24:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> amelia: do you have a place where the tests are available on line?
15:24:54 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I will will send everything out on Tuesday.
15:25:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: you are going to need hundreds of tests.
15:26:08 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: i did not all of svg
15:26:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: the default role mappings are in there
15:27:41 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: did you do all the name computation work?
15:27:51 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I think so but I need confirmation.
15:28:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: i did label and aria-labelledy as well as all the attributes
15:29:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: you can actually run the test, yeah
15:29:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: should we have a telecon with the SVG working group
15:29:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: we need to see where we overlap
15:29:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: a lot of the older tests were manual
15:29:59 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: some of the tests are automated
15:30:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: SVG was hand done
15:30:32 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: there are some autorun
15:30:37 <richardschwerdtfeger> scribe: Rich
15:30:47 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: we need to coordinate testing
15:31:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: how close are they to being done in SVG2? Do they have consensus?
15:32:11 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: I think it will be more like Q2
15:32:30 <richardschwerdtfeger> RRSAgent, make log public
15:34:21 <richardschwerdtfeger> Doug: there is a face to face in Sydney in February
15:49:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: We need a joint task force meeting with the main svg working group to get particular test going
15:50:17 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: In addition to the types of tests that were already done I don’t knwo that we have a sort of a comprehensive list of things we need to test in SVG
15:50:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: All the things that we need to test in svg (high level)
15:51:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: I will make a different page
15:51:57 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: I will make the current page test assertions. The testing page will be a high level testing page.
15:54:40 <richardschwerdtfeger> rich: we need to test error conditions like an element with role=“none” and tabindex=“0”
15:55:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: that should not be an issue
15:56:54 <shepazu> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions
15:57:05 <shepazu> https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing and https://www.w3.org/wiki/SVG_Accessibility/Testing/Test_Assertions
15:58:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: track and view don’t have a test
16:00:51 <fesch> if given <rect width="100" height="100"><animateTransform id="test" attributeName="transform" type="scale" from="2" to="3" repeatCount="3" dur="4s" fill="freeze"/></rect> then for id="test" NOAC
16:00:52 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: animate transform is an example of something that is not mapped
16:01:18 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: we need an example of every filter element to make sure it is not mapped.
16:02:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> doug: I can walk through the filters easily
16:02:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> fred: for evey todo here we need to populate it
16:03:28 <richardschwerdtfeger> Doug: the next meeting is January 8
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16:03:45 <richardschwerdtfeger> chair: Fred
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