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11:08:40 <kaz> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-comms/2015Dec/0005.html
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11:09:32 <dsr> sorry for the delay
11:10:22 <koalie> Joerg: for landing page discussion, let's discuss which is best among IG page, IG wiki, CG page
11:10:30 <Karen> +1 get started
11:10:42 <koalie> s/among/among WOT W3C page,/
11:11:04 <koalie> agenda+ Landing page
11:11:12 <koalie> agenda+ Upcoming events
11:11:22 <koalie> agenda+ Outreach
11:11:26 <koalie> agenda+ AOB
11:11:40 <koalie> present+ Dave
11:12:14 <koalie> agenda?
11:12:22 <koalie> scribenick: koalie
11:12:41 <koalie> Zakim, take up item 1
11:12:41 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Landing page" taken up [from koalie]
11:12:44 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Communications_and_Collaboration_for_Web_of_Things_IG Landing Page
11:13:00 <koalie> Joerg: We have three web pages and one wiki
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11:13:53 <koalie> ... if we think of a landing page, scope and activity, it seems w3.org/wot but IG page has probably more info, then wiki page has information to engage
11:14:11 <koalie> ... any comment, preference?
11:14:23 <Karen> q+
11:14:32 <koalie> Daniel: We need to keep content up to date and avoid mismatch that there is on first page
11:14:38 <koalie> ... if feasible, reducing the number of pages
11:14:50 <koalie> ... less likely that we forget to update everywhere
11:14:54 <dsr> q+
11:15:08 <yingying> ack karen
11:15:31 <koalie> Karen: I think from our recent experience, we like to see the landing page be at a higer level
11:15:54 <koalie> ... so that busdev and comm team can use it as first entry page to let people know of the work taking place in the area of WoT
11:16:04 <koalie> ... high-level and plain english type of page
11:16:28 <koalie> ... then, IG and eventually WG pages will have more of the technical details of what you're doing, the scope and where you are, and those need to be maintained
11:16:34 <joerg> could we take a look at http://www.w3.org/WoT/
11:16:37 <koalie> ... the high-level page doesn't need a lot of maintenance.
11:16:49 <koalie> ... we typically update them every few months.
11:16:57 <koalie> ... information stays pretty constant.
11:17:09 <dsr> ack dsr
11:17:48 <koalie> Dave: We have an IG page (essentially a list of links and news articles, a fairly common pattern across groups), that I hope people can help populate that page
11:17:54 <koalie> ... let's ensure the info is appropriate
11:18:09 <koalie> ... when linking to a wiki page, I'm not sure we're doing a good job
11:18:20 <koalie> ... we need to ensure sections of the wiki are properly updated
11:18:27 <koalie> ... I suggest people are in charge of some
11:18:39 <koalie> Joerg: We can try to fix all those different aspects
11:18:44 <kaz> q+
11:18:55 <koalie> ... I understand we have this WoT page as a kind of overview entry
11:19:17 <koalie> ... and the IG page is the one with the news and links to get engaged into details
11:19:26 <koalie> ... and wiki is the working area
11:19:31 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
11:19:40 <koalie> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_Page
11:19:56 <koalie> Joerg: I wasn't quite clear and it's hard to understand the three purposes
11:20:07 <koalie> ... then there's a community page
11:20:15 <koalie> ... which is another overview document
11:20:27 <koalie> http://www.w3.org/community/wot/
11:20:30 <yingying> q?
11:20:40 <koalie> Dave: I think we need more work on the top-level one which doesn't serve its purpose yet
11:20:41 <yingying> ack kaz
11:20:54 <kaz> Auto and Web landing page: http://www.w3.org/auto/
11:20:54 <kaz> Auto WG main page: http://www.w3.org/auto/wg/
11:20:54 <kaz> Auto WG blog: http://www.w3.org/blog/auto/
11:20:54 <kaz> Auto wiki: https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Main_Page
11:21:05 <koalie> Kaz: These 4 pages ^^
11:21:13 <koalie> ... [Kaz goes over purpose of each]
11:21:46 <dape> q+
11:21:57 <yingying> ack dape
11:22:06 <koalie> Darko: Will the main pages remain as we start a WG?
11:22:18 <koalie> Dave: Yes.
11:22:23 <koalie> ... see Kaz' examples
11:22:30 <dape> q+
11:22:31 <koalie> ... there is a role for top-level landing page
11:22:44 <koalie> ... to serve the sort of purposes Karen talked about, and provide pointers to the rest of the pages.
11:22:54 <koalie> Joerg: I'd propose to polish each
11:23:11 <koalie> ... take existing materials and from this first page, to point further to the rest of the pages
11:23:26 <kaz> i/Darko/kaz: landing page provides high-level description for industry stakeholders, main page provides links to resources, blog includes entries of the latest news, and the wiki includes the detail of the technical discussions/
11:23:30 <koalie> Dave: We are thinking of preparing a data sales sheet for CES early next year
11:23:46 <koalie> .... through that work, we could introduce people to what W3C is doing
11:24:15 <koalie> Daniel: Do people use tools to keep the pages up to date?
11:24:21 <koalie> ... or is it done manually?
11:24:35 <koalie> Kaz: landing page and main group page are rather fixed and static
11:24:45 <koalie> ... the blog part is maintained via wordpress
11:24:55 <koalie> ... the main content for the discussion is maintaing by hand in wiki
11:25:12 <yingying> q?
11:25:24 <yingying> ack dape
11:25:58 <koalie> Dave: Right now, we have the admin control systems for Wordpress
11:26:01 <kaz> q+
11:26:11 <yingying> ack kaz
11:26:12 <koalie> ... for the wiki, members of the group have write access
11:26:23 <koalie> Kaz: We assign each wiki page or sections to specific editors
11:26:47 <koalie> Yingying: Could we agree on which one is the landing page?
11:26:58 <koalie> ... should we point pointers on the landing page to other pages?
11:27:12 <koalie> ... how could we maintain it?
11:27:19 <koalie> ... how could we decide to @@ now?
11:27:35 <koalie> ... for w3.org/wot/ can we agree it's the WoT landing page?
11:27:39 <koalie> Joerg: +1
11:27:47 <koalie> [some other oral agreement]
11:28:05 <koalie> RESOLUTION: http://www.w3.org/WoT/ is the landing page
11:28:27 <joerg> q+
11:28:39 <koalie> Yingying: In the WoT IG, there's a link to the wiki. Is it good enough?
11:28:56 <Karen> +1 easier pointers on this page
11:29:02 <koalie> Dave: Perhaps we could @@ wikis where we do most of our work
11:29:07 <Karen> Also need to add CES as next event
11:29:10 <koalie> ack j
11:29:33 <koalie> Joerg: The landing page, which is more static, has outdated upcoming events
11:29:46 <koalie> ... the automotive page uses the right-column differently
11:29:56 <koalie> ... testimonials could be an option
11:30:19 <koalie> ... left-hand side provides references to the sub-pages
11:30:34 <koalie> ... we might say there's a wiki, where the work of the IG happens
11:31:06 <koalie> ... I don't know if we should start testimonials like automotive landing page has
11:31:22 <koalie> ... is that something you asked for? how were they gotten?
11:31:25 <yingying> q?
11:32:11 <koalie> Kaz: this was designed by Daniel Davis, formerly marcomm team member
11:32:19 <dsr> Another example is web payments: http://www.w3.org/Payments/
11:32:38 <koalie> Kaz: we can ask IG members for testimonials
11:33:05 <koalie> ... W3C MarComm team has been working with team contacts like me for Automotive
11:33:10 <koalie> ... talk with stakeholders
11:33:18 <koalie> ... and got the words for testimonials
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11:33:28 <koalie> ... we can ask WoT participants as well for testimonials
11:33:33 <dsr> q+
11:33:44 <koalie> ... Paul Boyes is the chair of the automotive group
11:33:50 <koalie> ... we can get your words, Joerg
11:33:57 <yingying> ack dsr
11:34:13 <koalie> Dave: I was going to ask MarComm team about worth of testimonials
11:34:20 <koalie> ... we don't have them on the Web Payments page
11:34:25 <koalie> ... could be a good page, what do you think?
11:34:41 <Karen> q+
11:34:47 <yingying> ack karen
11:35:04 <koalie> Karen: Always great to have testimonials on landing pages
11:35:15 <koalie> ... static page is a casualty of us having not a lot of staff
11:35:21 <koalie> ... but some information needs to be evergreen
11:35:33 <koalie> ... and it's good to have the calendars updated and a trickly of information
11:35:39 <koalie> ... testimonials would be very nice
11:35:42 <koalie> q+
11:35:51 <yingying> ack koalie
11:36:54 <joerg> q+
11:37:03 <koalie> Coralie: -1 on rotation
11:37:12 <koalie> ... that adds significant overhead
11:37:26 <koalie> ... I'd suggest you take the same route as Automotive and maintain those by hand
11:37:45 <koalie> ... and rotate them by hand if you have a bunch of them
11:37:52 <koalie> Dave: it may be easy to do with javascript
11:38:31 <koalie> Yingying: Who can take the action to call for testimonials among the IG members?
11:39:16 <koalie> Dave: we can provide an example and invite the IG members to provide testimonials
11:39:33 <koalie> Joerg: Logo might be difficult for companies given trademarks
11:40:01 <koalie> Joerg: brief testimonials, short statements, yes
11:40:34 <koalie> Yingying: I remember Ted sent a message previously, asking for testimonials. I can check that and with Ted and Kaz about experience
11:40:46 <koalie> action: yingying to call for testimonials among the IG members
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11:41:36 <kaz> zakim, associate this channel with wot
11:41:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'associate this channel with wot', kaz
11:42:02 <Karen> +1 IIC quote
11:42:10 <dsr> q+
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11:42:27 <koalie> action: yingying to call for testimonials among the IG members
11:42:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Call for testimonials among the ig members [on Yingying Chen - due 2015-12-23].
11:42:58 <koalie> Kaz: We could consider a few organisation listed on the landscape page, such as echonet in Japan
11:42:59 <dsr> q?
11:43:04 <yingying> ack dsr
11:43:19 <koalie> Dave: I think it's a good idea to ask most well known orgs
11:43:32 <koalie> ... iic, open@@consortium, 1m2m etc.
11:43:48 <koalie> ... I'd like to revisit the issue with logos, we should pursue that; makes impact
11:43:56 <koalie> ... it's fine if companies do not want to provide their logos
11:44:04 <koalie> Karen: Yes, some will, some won't.
11:44:12 <koalie> ... if you can include it in the design that will be fine.
11:44:20 <kaz> s/open@@consortium/Open Interconnect Consortium/
11:44:23 <dsr> s/open@@consortium/OIC/
11:44:36 <dsr> s/1m2m/oneM2M/
11:44:39 <koalie> Yingying: we have this alliance, any suggestion for others from whom to get a testimonial?
11:44:42 <koalie> [none]
11:44:42 <dsr> s/iic/IIC/
11:44:49 <koalie> Yingying: I'll start with the alliance
11:45:01 <koalie> ... after this is done, who has access to modify this page?
11:45:03 <koalie> Dave: I do
11:45:18 <koalie> ... I'm sure we can add more poeple to the admin list
11:45:23 <koalie> Yingying: I'll check with systeam.
11:45:28 <koalie> ... this is about landing page
11:45:57 <dsr> action: dsr to look at what wordpress support there is for testmonials
11:45:57 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Look at what wordpress support there is for testmonials [on Dave Raggett - due 2015-12-23].
11:46:16 <koalie> Joerg: about landing page, testimonials would be on the right and left side would have other pages, right?
11:46:49 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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11:47:16 <koalie> ... a link to the wiki page would make sense in the left-hand side, as well as an overview description
11:47:23 <koalie> Yingying: OK.
11:47:54 <koalie> ... I'll get permission to modify and will write something for your review.
11:48:07 <koalie> ... Any more comments?
11:48:33 <kaz> i|good idea to ask|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Mapping_of_tech_landscape_to_IoT_approaches tech landscape page|
11:48:34 <dsr> action: Yingying to update left column of WoT landing page to include links to wiki etc
11:48:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Update left column of wot landing page to include links to wiki etc [on Yingying Chen - due 2015-12-23].
11:48:35 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
11:48:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-wot-comm-minutes.html kaz
11:49:19 <koalie> Dave: That page also needs to be made useful for companies who might be interested in joining W3C for this work.
11:50:11 <koalie> Joerg: we might find data when we take up the outreach topic
11:50:14 <Karen> +1 slide presentation review
11:50:38 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
11:50:38 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, koalie
11:50:41 <koalie> q?
11:50:44 <koalie> ack j
11:50:47 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
11:50:47 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
11:50:48 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
11:50:48 <Zakim> 2. Upcoming events [from koalie]
11:50:52 <koalie> Zakim, take up item 2
11:50:52 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Upcoming events" taken up [from koalie]
11:51:55 <Karen> q+
11:52:01 <yingying> ack karen
11:52:08 <koalie> [[
11:52:09 <koalie> - CES, Las Vegas(Jan 6-9) - Industry of Things World USA(Feb 25-26)
11:52:10 <koalie> ]]
11:52:27 <koalie> Karen: W3C suite at CES Jan 5-9
11:52:34 <koalie> ... we need a presentation to show to people
11:52:47 <koalie> ... We won't have a consumer oriented data sales sheet
11:53:13 <koalie> ... but we're aiming to have it for the other event, Industry of Things World USA in San Diego in February
11:53:23 <dsr> Here are the slides I presented at the ETSI M2M workshop  last week - http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-wot-m2m.pdf, I am updating them for a presentation to Industry 4.0 next Monday.  I plan to update this further for use in CES.
11:53:45 <koalie> Karen: Any other event people know about?
11:53:52 <koalie> ... or that should be coming on the horizon soon?
11:54:21 <koalie> Yingying: We need to prepare an  industry-focused data sales sheet for the February event
11:54:29 <dsr> The wiki page with a list of events: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Relevant_Conferences_for_the_Web_of_Things_IG
11:54:33 <koalie> ... and write a white-paper as starting point for that sales sheet
11:54:38 <koalie> ... I believe Dave is working on it
11:54:42 <koalie> Dave: yes
11:54:47 <koalie> Joerg: example to see?
11:54:50 <koalie> Karen: sure...
11:55:50 <koalie> -> http://www.w3.org/2012/12/auto_salesheet.pdf 2014 version of Automotive data sales sheet (in the process of being updated)
11:56:05 <koalie> Karen: We have a designer to help on those; don't worry about the graphics
11:56:13 <koalie> ... just worry about what's interested to present in terms of graphic
11:57:19 <koalie> ... front: high-level data that speaks to the business audience
11:57:28 <koalie> ... back: technical detail that speaks to the technical audience
11:57:41 <koalie> Joerg: what are the top five messages we want for that page?
11:57:59 <koalie> Karen: whitepaper is a starting point, unless we know right now what those top-five messages are
11:58:42 <koalie> Joerg: we can also draw from slides
11:58:48 <koalie> Karen: Yes, absolutely
11:59:23 <koalie> Dave: see slides I presented last week http://www.w3.org/2015/12/09-wot-m2m.pdf that I'll update for next week to be more industrial
11:59:34 <koalie> ... what's missing, what's wrong?
11:59:44 <dape> q+
12:00:03 <koalie> Yingying: Deadline for whitepaper, Karen?
12:00:13 <koalie> Karen: It would be very good to have it by January 4.
12:00:19 <koalie> Dave: That sounds tight.
12:00:25 <koalie> ... we're all rushed
12:00:40 <koalie> ... I have january deadlines for EU projects.
12:00:43 <koalie> s/tight/right/
12:00:48 <yingying> q?
12:01:19 <koalie> Joerg: Darko and Daniel might have short presentations that we can draw from to provide some focus
12:01:40 <koalie> ... these have two parts: focus part of common presentation of activity and specific
12:01:53 <koalie> ... for the common part, we need to come to a joint understanding
12:01:56 <koalie> Dave: Yes
12:02:06 <koalie> ... we have to make sure the content we're talking about is at the right marketing level
12:02:13 <koalie> ... it needs to speak to the audience
12:02:47 <koalie> ... we don't want to drill down into the detail of what the group is doing
12:03:29 <koalie> Yingying: This white-paper can be ready for January 4.
12:03:43 <koalie> ... presentations are needed as well, what is the deadline, Karen?
12:04:13 <koalie> Karen: 1st presentation, high-level about what W3C is doing in WoT, is January 4 as well.
12:04:20 <koalie> ... it's a hard deadline.
12:04:38 <koalie> ... the 2nd presentation for San Diego event, we have more time, we can have it at the end of January
12:04:48 <koalie> ... we can make it more interesting with a graphic
12:04:58 <koalie> ... we'll have a booth
12:05:11 <koalie> ... two companies already said they want to be part of the W3C booth and do demos
12:05:24 <koalie> Yingying: Dave, is it OK?
12:05:34 <koalie> Dave: we can provide a short slide deck in this time frame
12:05:44 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
12:05:44 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, koalie
12:05:55 <koalie> Zakim, queue = 0
12:05:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'queue = 0', koalie
12:06:04 <koalie> q- d
12:06:10 <koalie> Zakim, close this item
12:06:10 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
12:06:11 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
12:06:11 <Zakim> 3. Outreach [from koalie]
12:06:14 <koalie> Zakim, take up item 3
12:06:14 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Outreach" taken up [from koalie]
12:06:48 <koalie> Daniel: I wanted to comment on what was said previously. We need to agree on slides content.
12:07:57 <koalie> [review of WoT outreach materials by Daniel and Darko]
12:09:03 <Karen> +1 explaining scope
12:10:41 <Karen> +1 good start on slides
12:11:27 <Karen> q+
12:11:35 <yingying> q?
12:11:49 <kaz> i|explaining|-> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/images/5/53/WoT-Outreach-v4.pptx WoT outreach slides by Daniel and Darko|
12:12:14 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:12:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-wot-comm-minutes.html kaz
12:12:14 <yingying> ack Karen
12:12:15 <Karen> +1 use cases
12:12:35 <koalie> karen: Thanks for starting this, Daniel. Good start, very helpful.
12:12:49 <koalie> ... for CES, I think I heard Dave took the action to build a slideset
12:12:56 <koalie> ... is it ok for Dave to re-use that material?
12:13:01 <koalie> Daniel: Yes, feel free.
12:13:07 <koalie> Karen: Great. Thank you very much.
12:13:13 <koalie> kaz++
12:13:40 <koalie> Karen: Use-cases, in particular consumers examples, would be great for CES
12:13:49 <koalie> ... something in the consumer electronics area
12:13:53 <koalie> Joerg: Smart home?
12:13:59 <koalie> Karen: Yes, probably a good thing
12:14:18 <koalie> Joerg: also look at different classes of controllers, not just smartphones
12:14:18 <kaz> +1 with Karen
12:14:36 <dsr> devices, phones and hubs
12:14:42 <koalie> ... that may be a message: smart homes, and controllers other than smartphones.
12:15:01 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
12:15:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-wot-comm-minutes.html kaz
12:16:06 <koalie> Dave: the slideset we just looked at contains a lot of background information
12:16:32 <koalie> ... content depends on audiences
12:16:42 <koalie> ... for CES, we should focus on problems W3C is solving
12:17:00 <koalie> Yingying: we'll use the mailing list for comments on the slides?
12:17:09 <koalie> Dave: Yes, I've already sent to the group
12:17:26 <koalie> ... where I'm struggling a bit: it's hard to compare W3C with the other groups
12:17:40 <koalie> ... what is OneM2M doing
12:17:46 <koalie> Yingying: Any more comments?
12:17:59 <koalie> Daniel: What is the time-line for the presentation?
12:18:05 <koalie> ... 10, 20 minutes?
12:18:13 <koalie> s/time-line/length/
12:18:41 <koalie> Karen: for CES, I think somethign around 10 to 15 slides, for a 10-minute conversation
12:18:46 <koalie> ... we want a short presentation
12:18:56 <koalie> ... for the booth in San Diego, similar, could be longer
12:19:12 <koalie> ... we might want to have 2 versions: high-level and more detailed for technical people who want to know more.
12:19:30 <koalie> q+ to be excused from this call for conflicting thing
12:19:36 <koalie> Dave: Industry?
12:19:39 <koalie> Karen: Yes.
12:19:52 <Karen> ack Coralie
12:20:01 <Karen> Coralie: I have to offer regrets to leave meeting now
12:20:09 <koalie> scribenick: Karen
12:20:19 <Karen> …look forward to next call
12:20:44 <Karen> YingYing: Any more comments on the presentation material?
12:21:03 <Karen> …for the last last three bullets, I pulled them out of minutes from last meeting
12:21:08 <Karen> …we want to have domain specific use cases
12:21:21 <Karen> …shall we agree how to collect the domain specific use cases; what else do you propose?
12:21:38 <Karen> Joerg: I think that should be be covered by this slide set
12:21:49 <Karen> …those are common questions; differentiation of WoT and IoT we should have a slide
12:21:59 <Karen> …and even that we can volunteer to have a first shot at that one
12:22:15 <Karen> …Also what Dave commented on, how our activities relate to others like IIC
12:22:22 <Karen> …those two are on the radar
12:22:36 <Karen> …Having our slides for CES and then for industrial, we need to come up with easy to understand stuff
12:22:48 <Karen> …We have use cases that we compiled at very beginning of IG; they are too complex
12:22:58 <Karen> …here it's to have them be as easy to understand for the slides
12:23:04 <Karen> …For CES would be good to use smart home
12:23:05 <kaz> s/last last/last/
12:23:08 <Karen> …and the industrial for February
12:23:09 <Karen> +1
12:23:14 <Karen> …Also start one slide each
12:23:30 <Karen> YingYing: use cases are already there but need to modify for the target audiences
12:23:39 <Karen> Joerg: not elaborate, but make it easier to understand
12:23:56 <Karen> YingYing: So these three points are being covered by this material
12:24:03 <Karen> …we have all the agenda finished
12:24:09 <Karen> …Are there any other topics to discuss here?
12:24:10 <kaz> q+
12:24:12 <Karen> Dave: yes
12:24:19 <Karen> …I put up a blog for the San Diego event
12:24:22 <Karen> …on the IG page
12:24:28 <Karen> …will also be available on the main W3C page
12:24:33 <Karen> YingYing: pointer?
12:24:43 <Karen> Dave: It refers to IoTW event in San Diego
12:24:55 <Karen> …I also want to put up a short blog post promoting the upcoming F2F in January
12:25:03 <Karen> …Sumir provided me with a logo and a quote
12:25:15 <Karen> …I will draft text and quote later today; can send around to this list for comments
12:25:27 <kaz> s/Sumir/Soumya/
12:25:28 <Karen> …We need to remind people to book travel asap
12:25:50 <Karen> Dave: Meeting at Sophia-Antipolis
12:26:12 <yingying> https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
12:26:30 <Karen> Karen: Good to include that in the CES presentation especially for European companies who may want to observe
12:26:39 <Karen> Dave: yes, we will have an open day again
12:26:45 <Karen> …host is looking at who is being invited
12:26:57 <Karen> …we will charge a fee as host does not have funds to cover meeting expenses
12:27:00 <Karen> YingYing: ok
12:27:05 <Karen> …any other comments here?
12:27:06 <kaz> q?
12:27:12 <kaz> ack ko
12:27:12 <Zakim> koalie, you wanted to be excused from this call for conflicting thing
12:27:14 <yingying> ack kaz
12:27:14 <kaz> ack k
12:27:24 <Karen> Kaz: Probably we should talk in detail on next call
12:27:36 <Karen> …we need to think about testimonials from other standards orgs
12:27:48 <Karen> …and think about improving or adding liaison organizations to the W3C liaison page
12:27:56 <Karen> …some are included in the present page, but may want to add some more
12:28:11 <Karen> Dave: I think this is a topic for a further call; there is a long list of groups in which we are in various stages of discussion
12:28:17 <Karen> Kaz: right
12:28:24 <Karen> YingYing: Any more comments?
12:28:25 <kaz> s/on next/during the next/
12:28:36 <Karen> …if not, I think we can close today's meeting
12:28:39 <Karen> …thank you for joining
12:29:03 <Karen> YingYing: Next call is 20th of January
12:29:08 <Karen> …the third Wed of the month
12:29:34 <Karen> Karen: Good to prepare 20 Jan for San Diego
12:29:39 <Karen> …and rest for CES by email
12:29:54 <Karen> YingYing: thanks all
12:29:57 <Karen> [adjourned]
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12:32:05 <kaz> Chair: Yingying
12:32:12 <kaz> Meeting: WoT Comm
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