IRC log of pf on 2015-12-16

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Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
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I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
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Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 16 December 2015
16:53:11 [janina]
agenda?
16:53:16 [janina]
zakim, clear agenda
16:53:16 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
16:55:04 [janina]
genda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:55:04 [janina]
agenda+ APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html
16:55:04 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
16:55:04 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:55:06 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
16:55:06 [janina]
agenda+ Tracker Migration
16:55:09 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
16:55:11 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
16:55:14 [janina]
agenda+ Adjourn sine die
16:56:07 [janina]
present+ janina
16:56:13 [janina]
zakim, next item
16:56:13 [Zakim]
agendum 1. "APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html" taken up [from janina]
16:56:28 [janina]
zakim, clear agenda
16:56:28 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
16:57:12 [janina]
agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
16:57:12 [janina]
agenda+ APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html
16:57:12 [janina]
agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
16:57:12 [janina]
agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
16:57:14 [janina]
agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
16:57:14 [janina]
agenda+ Tracker Migration
16:57:17 [janina]
agenda+ Other Business
16:57:19 [janina]
agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
16:57:22 [janina]
agenda+ Adjourn sine die
16:57:31 [janina]
zakim, next item
16:57:31 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html" taken up [from janina]
16:57:35 [janina]
present+ Janina
16:57:39 [janina]
chair: Janina
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present+ LJWatson
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present+ fesch
17:03:16 [joanie]
present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:03:29 [fesch]
scribe: fesch
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present+
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present+ JF
17:05:36 [fesch]
js: this is the last meeting of PF! When we come back in January we will be APA.
17:06:06 [fesch]
jn: csun in march, anyone planning on a face-to-face?
17:06:42 [fesch]
rs: it is up in the air whether ARIA will meet at CSUN.
17:07:27 [fesch]
jf: I have heard someone is trying to organize something on the Saturday (hackathon), so any f-f should be before
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js: we need 60 days in advance to arrange a face-to-face... unlikely
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present+ JaeunJemmaKu
17:09:45 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:09:47 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
17:09:59 [fesch]
zakim, take up item 2
17:09:59 [Zakim]
agendum 2. "APA Housekeeping Reminders http://www.w3.org/2015/10/apa-charter.html" taken up [from janina]
17:10:50 [fesch]
cs: jn: in process to join
17:11:04 [fesch]
js: still 3 weeks...
17:12:22 [fesch]
mc: will be new mailing lists, at some point pf mailing list will end (posts), tracker is being migrated (new year)
17:12:37 [fesch]
mc: issues will start with a large number (2000) or something
17:13:12 [fesch]
mc: go to the new home pages... look for new infrastructure on new home pages
17:14:49 [fesch]
js: will have a CFC for a new decision policy, list policy will mirror for ARIA, unless someone has an problem with that... hearing no problems, we will mirror ARIA policy
17:15:27 [fesch]
js: HTML task force will do minimum changes...
17:16:07 [fesch]
mc: HTML a11y task force - confusing now in media WG, was in HTML WG...
17:16:23 [fesch]
lw: HTML WG -> media WG
17:16:37 [fesch]
COGA moved to APA...
17:17:33 [fesch]
js: HTML TK needed to update docs... I thought we would be changing it to APA
17:17:54 [fesch]
lw: will have to find out
17:19:01 [fesch]
mc: in terms of changing work statements and should get formal approval for WG, wonder if we could get a joint template, were under WAI....
17:19:54 [fesch]
mc: need to do that for all task forces...
17:20:42 [fesch]
mc: discusses names of task forces (whether to have WAI... in the name)
17:21:28 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:21:28 [Zakim]
agendum 3. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
17:22:11 [fesch]
action-1751
17:22:11 [trackbot]
action-1751 -- Léonie Watson to Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ -- due 2015-12-16 -- OPEN
17:22:11 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1751
17:22:48 [MichaelC]
action-1751 due 13 Jan 2016
17:22:48 [trackbot]
Set action-1751 Review push api http://www.w3.org/tr/push-api/ due date to 2016-01-13.
17:23:35 [fesch]
mc: janina, james has actions
17:23:53 [fesch]
zakim, nest item
17:23:53 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'nest item', fesch
17:24:00 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:24:00 [Zakim]
agendum 4. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
17:24:33 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/css-writing-modes-3/ CSS Writing Modes Level 3
17:25:25 [fesch]
mc: do we need to review this?
17:27:07 [fesch]
mc: taking notes in the wiki
17:28:21 [fesch]
js: wonder if we need someone to walk us through each spec... and another to scribe in wiki... plus normal scribe
17:28:37 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/csp-embedded-enforcement/ Content Security Policy: Embedded Enforcement
17:29:29 [fesch]
jf: seems to be really low level...
17:30:12 [MichaelC]
-> http://www.w3.org/TR/csp-cookies/ Content Security Policy: Cookie Controls
17:31:13 [fesch]
rs: cookies are a privacy issues wrt accessibility
17:31:58 [fesch]
mc: wonder if we should look at it...
17:32:21 [fesch]
jf: not sure how important cookies are for work Greg is doing...
17:32:37 [fesch]
jn: app would need to support those cookies...
17:33:07 [JF]
From the Draft Spec:
17:33:10 [JF]
4. Security Considerations 4.1. Existing Cookies Note that the mechanisms defined here do not protect against cookies that already exist in a user’s cookie store. Those cookies are delivered along with the HTTP request, before Content Security Policy can be delivered and applied. It is possible that future work like [CSP-PINNING] might enable these kinds of a priori restrictions, but, even then, CSP should be seen as a mitigation strategy, layered on top of filter
17:33:32 [fesch]
rs: if they use local data storage may have used a flow manager... may not be using cookies any more
17:34:27 [fesch]
mc: we should review it
17:34:58 [fesch]
jf: may be a question to the spec author
17:35:24 [fesch]
js: may only have potential... I wouldn't ask them if there is an accessibility issue or not
17:35:46 [fesch]
js: could ask Katie
17:36:38 [fesch]
mc: lets give Katie an action, just so someone has an action
17:36:58 [fesch]
js: can reassign if need be
17:36:59 [MichaelC]
action: Katie to review http://www.w3.org/TR/csp-cookies/ Content Security Policy: Cookie Controls to see if a11y issues or not - due 20 Jan 2016
17:36:59 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1762 - Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not [on Katie Haritos-Shea - due 2016-01-20].
17:37:16 [MichaelC]
action-1762?
17:37:16 [trackbot]
action-1762 -- Katie Haritos-Shea to Review http://www.w3.org/tr/csp-cookies/ content security policy: cookie controls to see if a11y issues or not -- due 2016-01-20 -- OPEN
17:37:16 [trackbot]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/1762
17:39:14 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:39:14 [Zakim]
agendum 5. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
17:39:22 [fesch]
zakim, close item
17:39:22 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'close item', fesch
17:39:29 [fesch]
zakim, close this item
17:39:29 [Zakim]
agendum 5 closed
17:39:30 [Zakim]
I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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6. Tracker Migration [from janina]
17:39:34 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:39:34 [Zakim]
agendum 6. "Tracker Migration" taken up [from janina]
17:41:00 [fesch]
mc: after migration PF tracker will become editable, you will have to look in APA tracker, will update IRC associations...
17:41:10 [fesch]
mc: that should be transparent
17:42:12 [fesch]
js: we kept some items in our tracker - a lot of OLD actions, some we never closed, but at least a couple dozen to return to when we can - wondering whether MC and I should take a first pass or do it as a group?
17:42:26 [fesch]
mc: I was only going to migrate open actions
17:42:48 [fesch]
mc: would be good to cleanup but by default open actions will migrate
17:43:03 [fesch]
js: I will take a pass....
17:43:49 [fesch]
mc: would have to be cleaned up after migration if not before...
17:44:15 [fesch]
cs: is that for PF and ARIA actions?
17:44:31 [fesch]
mc: yes - some will migrate to APA others to ARIA....
17:44:53 [fesch]
cs: sticking with tracker? not going to github or...?
17:45:20 [fesch]
mc: yes, good integration with IRC, too useful to abandon
17:45:40 [fesch]
mc: we use github and moved away from bugzilla...
17:45:57 [fesch]
cs: OK just wanted to know where they are going
17:46:21 [fesch]
js: IRC integration is really useful...
17:46:42 [fesch]
zakim, next item
17:46:42 [Zakim]
agendum 7. "Other Business" taken up [from janina]
17:46:52 [MichaelC]
s/will become editable/will become uneditable/
17:47:47 [fesch]
js: we have an open CFC for MFC extensions, discussed them at TF
17:48:18 [fesch]
js: some folks wanted to bring up longdesc again
17:48:42 [LJWatson]
q+
17:49:05 [fesch]
js: please respond either positive or negative
17:49:12 [janina]
ack l
17:49:35 [fesch]
lw: which working group is owned by?
17:49:57 [fesch]
js: media... was traditionally joint with HTML TF
17:51:23 [fesch]
js: our comments are not particularly technical, we asked for a longdesc or possibly use accessible SVG... some folks want a more generic statement
17:51:39 [fesch]
js: but a11y folks are the folks that give advice how to do that
17:51:48 [fesch]
js: first diagram is a png
17:52:01 [JF]
Q+
17:52:16 [fesch]
js: we have API's being defined but not much plain text (prose) to introduce the sections...
17:53:05 [fesch]
js: issue raised whether this is the place for suggesting alternative media... no not in this spec
17:53:43 [fesch]
js: would be useful to have an overview of how W3C spec fit together...
17:53:49 [janina]
ack jf
17:54:42 [fesch]
jf: I weighted in on longdesc, has a complex graphic, needs a description how it does it, I don't care how it does it. Needs a description.
17:55:14 [LJWatson]
q+
17:55:45 [fesch]
js: I don't think using a CFC to complain about longdesc gets in the way, they can ask to have the issues re raised...
17:56:43 [fesch]
jf: what we should have said is the image needs a long description (not longdesc)...
17:56:58 [fesch]
js: we are offering to help solve the compliant
17:57:24 [fesch]
lw: we should have described every possible approach how to solve the problem
17:57:37 [janina]
q?
17:57:46 [fesch]
lw: John's approach probably wouldn't raise a complaint
17:57:48 [janina]
ack lw
17:57:54 [LJWatson]
ack me
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s/we should have described every possible approach how to solve the problem/If we described one solution we should have described multiple solutions for achieving the goal/
17:59:06 [fesch]
js: if people feel that we should take that approach that is fine, then a +1 with the change... would be fine... right now I have to rely on the silence
17:59:40 [fesch]
jf: I will take an action to write a long description of the image...
18:00:24 [fesch]
js: do we have a consensus? need more +1s or -1s on record
18:00:38 [fesch]
rrs agent, make minutes
18:00:40 [JF]
ACTION: JF to write up the longer text description for the MSE spec Due January 16, 2016
18:00:40 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-1763 - Write up the longer text description for the mse spec due january 16, 2016 [on John Foliot - due 2015-12-23].
18:00:57 [fesch]
zakim, next item
18:00:57 [Zakim]
agendum 8. "next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273" taken up [from janina]
18:01:30 [fesch]
PF is now adjourned!
18:02:19 [fesch]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/16-pf-minutes.html fesch
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