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13:59:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:59:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
13:59:13 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2015
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14:01:33 <yaso> Hi phila and riccardoAlbertoni, can you hear me?
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14:02:33 <riccardoAlbertoni> Hello everyone, I am in a project meeting and we are all gather in a room so I will follow the discussion on irc mainly, antoine is going to drive the discussion
14:02:52 <yaso> ok, riccardoAlbertoni
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14:07:23 <yaso> ok, phila
14:07:39 <phila> zakim, code?
14:07:39 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m0642b1c7ce49018a07ffec17ea136ae6 or +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number, Access code: 645 096 989
14:07:52 <yaso> trackbot, start meeting
14:07:54 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs 351
14:07:56 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DWBP
14:07:56 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:07:57 <trackbot> Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference
14:07:57 <trackbot> Date: 04 December 2015
14:08:08 <yaso> https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151204
14:08:15 <yaso> scribe?
14:08:46 <yaso> zakim, pick a victim
14:08:46 <Zakim> Not knowing who is chairing or who scribed recently, I propose EricKauz
14:08:58 <yaso> chair: yaso
14:08:59 <yaso> hi phila
14:09:00 <phila> present+ phila
14:09:03 <BernadetteLoscio> hi Phil!
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14:09:29 <phila> scribe: EricKauz
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14:09:56 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+ riccardoAlbertoni
14:10:11 <SumitPurohit> present+ SumitPurohit
14:12:35 <yaso> topic: BP Document
14:12:43 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: talking about voting on publication of next draft during next two weeks
14:12:46 <laufer> present+ laufer
14:13:21 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: will the group review document next week, continue work on adding examples or stop everything so group can review
14:13:36 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: worried about comment tracker, open comments.
14:13:49 <phila> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:14:32 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
14:14:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html phila
14:14:43 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: comments still open, comment from andreas, about apis. open comments are a concern, not sure how to close comments, looking for help.
14:14:44 <yaso> q?
14:15:20 <yaso> https://docs.google.com/document/d/13q2CvZjMkjXrg7Pv7aTRuU5UL2J_-py09Vs_zJoaLso/edit#
14:16:14 <EricKauz> yaso: regarding comments from Eric, and rest apis, annette prepared a proposal, have draft of a better version on best practices for APIs, made more general. have a good proposal, no examples yet.
14:17:19 <EricKauz> yaso: text still needed to be refined, but lots of progress. yaso will finish review today.
14:17:21 <yaso> q?
14:17:22 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:18:07 <yaso> ACK BernadetteLoscio
14:18:09 <EricKauz> annette_g: getting there, about ready, will finish comments within next hour, fine to put it in
14:18:09 <BernadetteLoscio> https://www.w3.org/2006/02/lc-comments-tracker/68239/WD-dwbp-20150625/
14:18:54 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: comment tracker, some comments are about hyper media, fragmented identifiers, needs help on how to answer on comment tracker.
14:19:56 <yaso> q?
14:21:39 <EricKauz> phila: has not read Eric's comments, need to understand them, close to being done,  will take more time to review Eric W's comments, regarding process, need to get this publihshed before christmas. 17th is latest we can publish this year.
14:22:40 <yaso> q?
14:22:45 <EricKauz> phila: is everyone happy that  their organisation is happy with the document being published., people need to be comfortable with it before they vote.
14:23:38 <phila> q+ to ask about challenges, benefits and lists
14:23:50 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: working on best practices document, feedback is welcome about the distribution of benefits, association between benefits and best practices, d
14:24:02 <yaso> q+
14:24:21 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: we are trying to have an example for each best practice, feedback is welcome
14:24:52 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: group needs to review document but want to still add more examples
14:24:53 <yaso> ack phila
14:24:53 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to ask about challenges, benefits and lists
14:25:41 <EricKauz> phila: wont have good examples for all bps, need to get it ready to be published.
14:26:28 <EricKauz> phila: get document ready to be published as a working draft as opposed to trying to get it finished, get it ready to be published,
14:27:09 <EricKauz> phila: three separate lists, suggesting that one of them is redundant., not sure which ones, SVG?
14:27:27 <annette_g> +1 for making the doc shorter
14:27:38 <yaso> +1
14:27:44 <yaso> q?
14:28:01 <laufer> I prefer the benefits
14:28:05 <phila> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/#bps
14:28:11 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: agrees, different views of same thing, benefits were to provide an integrated view of best practices compared to benefits.
14:28:52 <EricKauz> phila: can list in terms of PSI directive. can list them in different ways, not for version going out next week.
14:29:04 <yaso> ack yaso
14:30:02 <BernadetteLoscio> q+
14:30:02 <EricKauz> yaso: perhaps split document,  separate out section
14:30:18 <yaso> ack BernadetteLoscio
14:31:02 <BernadetteLoscio> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#BP_Benefits
14:31:42 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: idea was not for index for best practices, best practice associated with benefits. I can remove diagram, since have steps in each section of document
14:31:51 <laufer> I vote for not removing the diagram
14:32:03 <EricKauz> yaso: continue conversation by email.  Do vocabs go with best practices
14:32:26 <EricKauz> phila: yes if it could be done, can only publish anything if the group agrees
14:32:38 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: continue conversation by mail.
14:33:34 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: if we are going to vote next week, do we need a proposal now or just by mail,
14:33:46 <EricKauz> phila: need to let group know and put it in the agenda.
14:34:04 <yaso> topic: Data Quality Vocabulary
14:34:05 <EricKauz> yaso: now talk about data quality vocabulary
14:34:39 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/199
14:34:53 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/203
14:34:56 <antoine> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/vocab-dqg.html#express-that-a-dataset-received-an-odi-certificate
14:35:43 <EricKauz> antoine: structured discussion on agenda, five main items, quality policy have new example they are happy with. part of progress, another part of issues required another example for qualtity, ways to express agreements for contractual obligations, WIP
14:36:20 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202
14:36:33 <EricKauz> antoine: before move to other issues, still have action, 202, John Carlo to share example on Service Level Agreement, still outstanding, any suggestions,
14:36:46 <antoine> s/John Carlo/Giancarlo
14:36:59 <EricKauz> yaso: yaso can try to reach out to him
14:37:14 <yaso> action: yaso to reach out with giancarlo about the http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202
14:37:14 <trackbot> Created ACTION-220 - Reach out with giancarlo about the http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/202 [on Yaso Córdova - due 2015-12-11].
14:37:31 <EricKauz> antoine: he seemed to have good input to give so prefer if he gives input
14:38:09 <yaso> http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/205
14:38:29 <yaso> q?
14:38:56 <EricKauz> antoine: next item, representing quality dimensions in vocab, DAQ way *sublclass of abstract class" not so happy, looking at "cost concept", still open for discussion, cant progress with out Jeremy's buy in.
14:39:36 <laufer> s/cost concept/skos concept/
14:40:18 <EricKauz> antoine: will try to revive discussion, main blocking point for progress, it is standing in the way of quality and with issue 200, but could change based on decsion on 204 and 205
14:40:29 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0146.html
14:40:52 <yaso> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-comments/2015Oct/0019.html
14:41:04 <phila> q+
14:41:47 <EricKauz> antoine: comment from andrea, have handled all suggestions and will send an answer and some questions, for Werner less discussion but some answer given by Jeremy, will try to relate his comments to previous raised issues
14:41:59 <yaso> q?
14:42:03 <yaso> ack phila
14:42:03 <phila> ack me
14:42:13 <EricKauz> antoine: if group agrees may publish new version but include open comments
14:42:47 <yaso> I muted myself due to a cough session, just a minute
14:42:54 <EricKauz> phila: pressure to get a new version out, Jan vs Dec not a big deal, getting ready to publish different than finished.
14:43:24 <EricKauz> antoine: keeping to hope to reach agreement in time but may publish now and resolve comments later
14:43:32 <EricKauz> phila: vote next week?
14:44:37 <yaso> q?
14:44:42 <laufer> I see no problem
14:44:45 <EricKauz> antoine: Ricardo and antoine will spend time making RDF file later, but wanted to ask group if ok to publish without rdf vocabulary
14:45:13 <EricKauz> phila: good to avoid surprises but antoine is in control and will get support of group
14:45:42 <EricKauz> phila: what is effort to make RDF Vocab, within next week
14:46:16 <EricKauz> antoine: other things to do so it would be tough, where to spend time best.
14:46:47 <EricKauz> phila: could create rdf document quite easily by next Friday, if this will give antoine more time
14:47:06 <yaso> q?
14:47:12 <EricKauz> antoine: would be helpful for phil to create RDF vocab.
14:47:38 <EricKauz> phila: will create an RDF vocab and put on github
14:47:49 <EricKauz> yaso: do we need to create an action
14:48:05 <EricKauz> yaso: will create an action for Phil to create vocab
14:48:45 <SumitPurohit> +q
14:49:13 <phila> action: phila to create RDF vocab for DQV
14:49:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-221 - Create rdf vocab for dqv [on Phil Archer - due 2015-12-11].
14:49:23 <yaso> action: phila will create an RDF vocab (dqv) and put on github
14:49:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-222 - Will create an rdf vocab (dqv) and put on github [on Phil Archer - due 2015-12-11].
14:49:26 <yaso> ops
14:49:42 <EricKauz> SumitPurohit: planning to meet this week, corrections on agent classes and feedback part, subgroup meeting next week
14:49:43 <yaso> ack SumitPurohit
14:49:45 <yaso> q?
14:49:48 <phila> close action-222
14:49:48 <trackbot> Closed action-222.
14:50:38 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: in last meeting had discussion on open issues, Eric made new version of model, description of new classes needs to be updates, will meet beginning of next week, do not have RDF implementation.
14:51:04 <yaso> q?
14:51:11 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: still have some work to do before we can review document. but hoping for review next week
14:51:20 <yaso> any comments?
14:52:13 <EricKauz> BernadetteLoscio: have new version of the model based on last meeting, no new open issues, not a lot to discuss.
14:53:03 <antoine> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/hcls/notes/hcls-dataset/
14:53:49 <yaso> q?
14:53:52 <EricKauz> antoine: will speak about last issue, about healthcare and lifescience profile, dcat profile made but life science community, contains elements for data sets in community, may want to align qv and uv.  should group have look at it or leave on side
14:55:00 <EricKauz> phila: alignment is always good but way is around is put an issue in document and say what alignment should be.
14:55:45 <EricKauz> phila: people talk about data set usage and data set vocabulary, but no one is using them, no evidence to draw on to point one way of other.  keen for them to be published.
14:57:13 <EricKauz> phila: note when document is done make note to work with HCLS community.can ask them for feedback
14:57:21 <yaso> q?
14:57:39 <phila> issue: What is the importance of the alignment between HCLS-DATASET and DQV?
14:57:39 <trackbot> Created ISSUE-221 - What is the importance of the alignment between hcls-dataset and dqv?.  Please complete additional details at <http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/221/edit>.
14:57:55 <phila> action: Antoine to contact Michel Dumontier about Issue-221
14:57:55 <trackbot> Created ACTION-223 - Contact michel dumontier about issue-221 [on Antoine Isaac - due 2015-12-11].
14:58:30 <phila> Topic: Festive Break
14:58:46 <EricKauz> yaso: issue on holidays but running out of time,
14:59:19 <EricKauz> hadleybeeman: holidays coming up, call for 25th and Jan 1st, should we cancel them
14:59:20 <EricKauz> +1
14:59:22 <phila> PROPOSED: Cancel meetings on 25 Dec and 1 Jan
14:59:25 <phila> +1
14:59:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1 to cancel
14:59:28 <annette_g> +1
14:59:28 <yaso> +1
14:59:31 <yaso> +1
14:59:33 <laufer> it is possiblçe to change the week day of the calls?
14:59:34 <phila> I won't be there even if they're not cancelled
14:59:41 <antoine> +1
14:59:42 <SumitPurohit> +1
14:59:49 <phila> And actually, I;m off for the whole of those 2 weeks
14:59:50 <BernadetteLoscio> +1
14:59:53 <hadleybeeman> +1
15:00:03 <phila> RESOLUTION: Cancel meetings on 25 Dec and 1 Jan
15:00:07 <EricKauz> yaso: approved cancellation of two meetings
15:00:21 <BernadetteLoscio> thanks Yaso!
15:00:23 <SumitPurohit> thanks all
15:00:30 <phila> Thanks everyone, next week is general election day!
15:00:31 <laufer> bya all... nice to meet u all...
15:00:33 <yaso> bye!
15:00:33 <EricKauz> yaso: see you next week for voting on document(s)
15:00:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> Thanks all! thanks antoine to drive the discussion
15:00:49 <yaso> RRSAgent, draft minutes
15:00:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/12/04-dwbp-minutes.html yaso
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