IRC log of alreq on 2015-11-24

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16:03:33 [RRSAgent]
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logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc
16:03:40 [najib]
Any advice?
16:03:47 [Behnam]
present+
16:03:52 [mostafa]
present+
16:04:04 [najib]
Present+ (IRC)
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Chair: Shervin
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ScribeNick: Behnam
16:04:48 [Behnam]
agenda?
16:05:30 [Behnam]
Shervin: Let's start the meeting
16:06:13 [Behnam]
Meeting: ALReq Weekly Meeting
16:06:36 [Behnam]
RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
16:07:03 [Shervin]
Najib, have you tired Firefox or Safari to use with Webex.
16:07:04 [Shervin]
?
16:07:10 [Behnam]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:07:26 [Behnam]
RRSAgent, make logs world-visible
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Shervin: Let's start with action items
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zakim, who's here?
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Present: (no one)
16:08:42 [najib]
tried Safari. Trying Firefox
16:08:43 [Zakim]
On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:08:59 [r12a]
present+ Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
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zakim, who's here?
16:09:03 [Zakim]
Present: Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
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On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
16:09:26 [Behnam]
Shervin: Still working on ACTION-12
16:10:18 [Shervin]
Close Action-17
16:10:19 [trackbot]
Closed Action-17.
16:10:59 [Behnam]
r12a: action-18 is done
16:11:02 [Shervin]
Close Action-18
16:11:02 [trackbot]
Closed Action-18.
16:14:02 [Behnam]
r12a: Re action-20, now that we have decided to not change the schedule, I'm going to set up the new meeting
16:16:35 [Behnam]
Shervin: Waseem cannot be here today, but he mentioned that he will be joining more regularly
16:17:20 [Behnam]
Behnam: Re ACTION-22 and ACTION-23, I'm behind on my actions and will get to them soon
16:17:41 [Shervin]
agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:17:46 [mostafa]
https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues/14
16:18:48 [Behnam]
mostafa: Re ACTION-24, started the gdoc document and working on it
16:18:56 [Shervin]
Close Action-28
16:18:56 [trackbot]
Closed Action-28.
16:20:11 [Shervin]
agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
16:20:52 [Shervin]
agenda+ Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
16:21:15 [Shervin]
agenda+ Drafting status: Character charts (Mostafa, Shervin)
16:21:36 [Shervin]
agenda+ Drafting status: Typographical considerations (Najib)
16:21:51 [Behnam]
r12a: A Unicode conference is being held in Oman in February (14-16), organized by the German university
16:22:15 [Shervin]
take up agendum 1
16:22:19 [Shervin]
take up agendum 2
16:22:21 [Shervin]
take up agendum 3
16:23:49 [najib]
q+
16:24:31 [Behnam]
Shervin: Re recruiting: we have two people introduced by Alolita, and one more person from IBM, who worked on the calendar
16:24:49 [r12a]
q+
16:24:50 [Shervin]
ack najib
16:24:58 [najib]
Too busy past week to advance forward on the glossary.
16:24:59 [Behnam]
najib, please go ahead
16:25:05 [najib]
Sure can give it enough time this week.
16:25:12 [najib]
That's it
16:25:13 [Shervin]
ack r12a
16:26:56 [Shervin]
q+
16:27:16 [Shervin]
Thanks, najib.
16:27:47 [Behnam]
r12a: About recruiting, let's try to make sure people invited are active, on the meetings, with drafting, etc
16:29:08 [Shervin]
ack Shervin
16:29:45 [r12a]
http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/#join
16:30:02 [Behnam]
Shervin: agree with Richard
16:30:15 [Behnam]
... I try to be clear about the two steps, following up the work of the WG vs being active in the WG
16:31:44 [r12a]
q+
16:31:52 [Shervin]
ack r12a
16:33:14 [Behnam]
agenda?
16:33:23 [Behnam]
Topic: Glossary progress and plan to finalize it
16:33:23 [Shervin]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit?usp=sharing
16:33:49 [Behnam]
RRSAgent, draft meeting
16:33:49 [RRSAgent]
I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft meeting', Behnam. Try /msg RRSAgent help
16:33:55 [Behnam]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html Behnam
16:34:37 [mostafa]
q+
16:34:53 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:35:16 [Behnam]
Shervin: looking at the gdoc, it seems like we have to lower the priority for items missing translation
16:35:21 [Behnam]
... what people think about it?
16:35:28 [Behnam]
mostafa: +1
16:35:34 [r12a]
+1
16:35:49 [najib]
+1
16:36:01 [Behnam]
... Let's not spend too much time on the glossary
16:37:25 [najib]
I'll add more translations..
16:37:31 [Shervin]
ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the editors' draft
16:37:31 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-29 - Process the glossary for the editors' draft [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-12-01].
16:38:47 [Behnam]
Shervin: I'll work on a script that converts the table in gdoc to HTML to put on the github repo
16:39:57 [r12a]
q+
16:40:17 [mostafa]
q+
16:40:32 [Shervin]
ack r12a
16:41:30 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:42:07 [Behnam]
mostafa: if anyone needs an extra hand with the automation, I can help
16:42:23 [Shervin]
agenda?
16:42:40 [Shervin]
take up agendum 4
16:42:48 [Behnam]
Shervin: I'll look into the options for moving forward this week and report back next week
16:43:42 [Behnam]
mostafa: I haven't done much new work on this
16:44:34 [Shervin]
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nxXVe7wgPtqekAXqMLnNVJjmP8-XK_sgkCsrf3zxPp0/edit
16:44:38 [mostafa]
q+
16:45:19 [Behnam]
Shervin: the chart does not include digits yet
16:45:25 [r12a]
q+
16:45:43 [Behnam]
... question for people: should we add Bidi Control Characters to our charts?
16:45:46 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:46:13 [Behnam]
... How much details we want to add to this chart?
16:46:51 [mostafa]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1uPrxdtedlodiabT4SjptfVqumeHJCe8Pkl8eWXFiFJc/edit?ts=56389689#
16:47:19 [Behnam]
mostafa: re the latter question: I created separate tables for the groups of characters
16:48:23 [Behnam]
... and for details, I suggest to have language and joining-behavior of characters in the tables
16:49:26 [r12a]
q?
16:49:36 [mostafa]
q+
16:50:16 [Shervin]
ack r12a
16:50:20 [Behnam]
Shervin: I'm going to work on the table and change it to be easily used in the document mostafa has
16:51:12 [Behnam]
q+
16:51:27 [Behnam]
r12a: +1 to having separate tables in the document per character category/type
16:51:44 [Behnam]
... also separate columns for languages
16:51:50 [mostafa]
+1
16:51:53 [Shervin]
ack Behnam
16:52:51 [mostafa]
q-
16:53:07 [r12a]
+1 to use of language tags
16:53:47 [Behnam]
Behnam: Let's use language tags in the charts and avoid using terms "Arabic" and "Persian" loosely
16:54:08 [najib]
+1
16:54:32 [Behnam]
q+
16:55:02 [Behnam]
q-
16:55:24 [r12a]
q+
16:55:25 [Behnam]
Shervin: +1 on having separate columns for languages, making it easier to read the charts
16:56:59 [mostafa]
q+
16:57:06 [r12a]
q-
16:57:14 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
16:59:00 [Behnam]
Shervin: mostafa, would you like to maintain the tables manually, or do you want to generate them from CLDR?
17:00:44 [r12a]
q+
17:00:49 [Shervin]
ack r12a
17:00:52 [Behnam]
... question for everyone: what should we do about characters present in our tables, but not being in CLDR?
17:01:09 [mostafa]
q+
17:01:43 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
17:07:08 [r12a]
q+
17:07:10 [mostafa]
q+
17:08:08 [Behnam]
Shervin: So, the question is what source we should rely on for the list of characters in the table?
17:08:17 [Shervin]
ack r12a
17:08:55 [mostafa]
http://www.w3.org/TR/jlreq/#character_classes
17:09:25 [Behnam]
Behnam: IMO, as long as we have all the characters that we want to talk about, in text layout matters mostly, it shouldn't matter much
17:09:55 [Shervin]
q+
17:10:36 [Behnam]
r12a: in JLReq work, characters are pointed out for behaving differently in justification, etc
17:10:40 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
17:11:50 [Behnam]
... we may not be able to make a decision right now
17:12:29 [Shervin]
http://unicode.org/cldr/utility/list-unicodeset.jsp?a=%5B%3AARABIC%3A%5D&g=&i=
17:12:31 [Behnam]
mostafa: I was thinking about these tables to be used by type designer or software engineers as a reference for what characters to support
17:13:44 [Behnam]
Shervin: it's not possible to have these tables work as an exhaustive list of characters for a type designer
17:16:15 [Behnam]
... re r12a's comment, it was not possible for the Japanese document to have an exhaustive list of characters, but we can do so for Arabic script
17:17:23 [Behnam]
r12a: The Japanese TF felt the need of having a table for the characters afterward, when working on justification
17:17:27 [mostafa]
+1
17:17:29 [mostafa]
q+
17:17:33 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
17:20:12 [mostafa]
+1
17:20:21 [r12a]
+1
17:20:41 [Shervin]
agenda?
17:20:41 [Behnam]
Shervin: anything else on this topic?
17:20:54 [Shervin]
take up agendum 5
17:21:02 [najib]
q+
17:21:09 [Shervin]
Shervin-
17:21:11 [Behnam]
Shervin: Let's hear from najib
17:21:13 [Shervin]
ack najib
17:21:17 [najib]
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1IRgcMygoovniN_qL1cjD2WB-FiSyYFKlzEblvJuxRgY/edit?usp=sharing
17:21:21 [Shervin]
Please go ahead najib.
17:21:25 [najib]
Still drafting it
17:21:33 [najib]
Filled an issue about it
17:21:43 [najib]
My idea is to talk about origine and evolution of Arabic styles,
17:21:45 [najib]
different generic scripts
17:21:54 [najib]
and then fonts in printing and computer.
17:21:56 [najib]
The use of fonts and what are the technical constraints.
17:22:03 [najib]
and then may be some best practices in choosing fonts styles and sizing.
17:22:10 [najib]
what else…
17:22:16 [najib]
look for references to put if details stuff from elsewhere.
17:22:22 [najib]
That's it
17:22:37 [r12a]
q+
17:22:45 [Shervin]
ack r12a
17:22:59 [Shervin]
q-
17:24:24 [r12a]
i'm a little concerned because i don't think we should be writing authoring guidelines
17:24:41 [mostafa]
q+
17:24:42 [r12a]
it seems like that is Najib's intention
17:24:42 [najib]
q+
17:24:46 [Shervin]
ack mostafa
17:25:03 [r12a]
s/is Najib's intention/is part of Najib's intention/
17:25:21 [Behnam]
Shervin: I think we need to cover font size matching and matters like that
17:25:49 [Shervin]
ack najib
17:25:55 [r12a]
i think the descriptions of the styles is useful background
17:26:02 [najib]
That's not my intention. Only some warnings about thing to avoid
17:26:12 [r12a]
q=
17:26:17 [r12a]
q+
17:26:27 [Shervin]
ack r12a
17:27:27 [najib]
Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
17:29:35 [Behnam]
Shervin: Let's continue the discussion next week so we can have najib on the call
17:29:48 [najib]
Yes
17:29:55 [najib]
Yes there are some other matters to cover also.
17:30:10 [najib]
Important things are to put here. Font size and related
17:30:37 [najib]
please comment ..
17:31:02 [najib]
q+, AOB
17:31:14 [najib]
q+ for AOB
17:31:21 [Shervin]
ack najib
17:31:21 [Zakim]
najib, you wanted to discuss AOB
17:31:32 [Behnam]
agenda?
17:31:33 [najib]
We should continue discussion be email during week.
17:31:51 [Shervin]
ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for Arabic script behvior.
17:31:52 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-30 - Pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for arabic script behvior. [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-01].
17:32:18 [Behnam]
ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on basic of the Writing Script
17:32:18 [trackbot]
Created ACTION-31 - Send pull-request for topics on basic of the writing script [on Mostafa Hajizadeh - due 2015-12-01].
17:32:20 [najib]
to keep track of what is are we doing
17:32:34 [najib]
s/is are/are+
17:32:36 [r12a]
rrsagent, draft minutes
17:32:36 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:32:37 [Behnam]
Sounds good, najib
17:32:47 [r12a]
zakim, who's here?
17:32:47 [Zakim]
Present: Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a
17:32:49 [Zakim]
On IRC I see r12a, Zakim, RRSAgent, Shervin, Behnam, najib, mostafa, trackbot
17:32:52 [mostafa]
Thank you and goodbye Najib.
17:32:58 [najib]
Bye
17:32:58 [r12a]
present+ Najib (IRC)
17:32:59 [Behnam]
Just a reminder that it's a long weekend here in the U.S.
17:33:09 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 5
17:33:09 [Zakim]
agendum 5, Drafting status: Typographical considerations (Najib), dropped
17:33:13 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 6
17:33:13 [Zakim]
I only see 5 items on the agenda
17:33:14 [r12a]
rrsagent, draft minutes
17:33:14 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-minutes.html r12a
17:33:16 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 4
17:33:16 [Zakim]
agendum 4, Drafting status: Character charts (Mostafa, Shervin), dropped
17:33:17 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 3
17:33:18 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 2
17:33:18 [Zakim]
agendum 3, Glossary progress and plan to finalize it, dropped
17:33:18 [Zakim]
agendum 2, Status review of action items from previous meeting, dropped
17:33:20 [Shervin]
Zakim, drop agendum 1
17:33:20 [Zakim]
agendum 1, Status review of action items from previous meeting, dropped
17:33:38 [Shervin]
Zakim, please excuse us
17:33:38 [Zakim]
leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Shervin, Behnam, Mostafa, r12a, Najib, (IRC)
17:33:38 [Zakim]
Zakim has left #alreq
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najib has left #alreq
17:34:04 [Shervin]
Richard, I'll leave RSSAgent here. Is it okay?
17:34:17 [r12a]
yep, sure
17:35:03 [Shervin]
Shervin has left #alreq
17:56:26 [r12a]
agenda?
18:13:12 [r12a]
rrsagent, bye
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
I see 3 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-actions.rdf :
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: Shervin to process the glossary for the editors' draft [1]
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T16-37-31
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ACTION: Mostafa to pull request a new section/subsection to editors draft for Arabic script behvior. [2]
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T17-31-51
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
ACTION: mostafa to send pull-request for topics on basic of the Writing Script [3]
18:13:12 [RRSAgent]
recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/11/24-alreq-irc#T17-32-18