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20:51:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
20:51:50 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
20:51:51 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
20:51:51 <trackbot> Date: 23 November 2015
20:52:15 <janina> agenda+ uaag references
20:52:32 <janina> agenda+ appendix b -- contributors
20:52:52 <janina> agenda+ other edits
20:53:05 <janina> agenda+ steps to note status
20:56:54 <janina> present+ janina
20:57:21 <janina> agenda+ table status
20:57:24 <janina> agenda?
20:57:42 <janina> zakim, reorder agenda 1 5 2 3 4
20:57:42 <Zakim> I don't understand 'reorder agenda 1 5 2 3 4', janina
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20:57:56 <janina> zakim, agenda 1 5 2 3 4
20:57:56 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda 1 5 2 3 4', janina
20:58:07 <janina> zakim, reorder 1 5 2 3 4
20:58:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'reorder 1 5 2 3 4', janina
20:58:07 <JF> webex?
20:58:20 <janina> you need the phone or the URI?
20:58:28 <JF> URI please
20:58:28 <MarkS> URI for me
20:58:34 <janina> one moment
20:59:56 <janina> Argh, Michael's email didn't have a URI, did it?
21:00:04 <JF> it did not
21:00:12 <janina> I am expecting him
21:00:23 <janina> But, I don't have any data not in that email
21:01:12 <ShaneM> yeah I dont have the URI either.
21:01:27 <ShaneM> I can probabbly come in via voice lime
21:01:29 <ShaneM> line
21:02:04 <MarkS> i can call in too
21:02:09 <JF> yes, I could dial in via voice line as well
21:02:36 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
21:02:47 <JF> present+ JF
21:03:09 <MarkS> present+ MarkS
21:03:16 <janina> URI coming
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21:04:32 <janina> agenda order 1, 5, 2, 3, 4,
21:05:16 <JF> zakim, who's here?
21:05:16 <Zakim> Present: janina, ShaneM, JF, MarkS
21:05:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see MichaelC, JF, MarkS, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, ShaneM, trackbot
21:05:39 <MarkS> hmmm, i seem to be having a bit of an issue starting the weber
21:05:47 <MarkS> webex
21:06:30 <janina> Mark, can you dial a local Boston ?? 617 324 0000
21:07:22 <janina> agenda?
21:08:01 <JF> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
21:08:17 <JF> scribe: JF
21:08:37 <JF> take up item 1
21:08:48 <JF> JS: Michael has a proposal to address this
21:09:16 <JF> MC: number of references that do not point to anything anymore, some section numbers are different, others gone
21:09:23 <JF> propose to remove them from the document
21:09:27 <ShaneM> q+ to offer an alternate suggestion
21:09:43 <JF> also suggest that one reference to UAAG - suggest to remove that as well
21:09:56 <janina> http://www.w3.org/TR/UAAG20/#def-focusable-element
21:10:13 <JF> essentially scrub UAAG from the document
21:10:24 <ShaneM> ack ShaneM
21:10:24 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to offer an alternate suggestion
21:10:26 <JF> MS: good with that if everyone else is OK with it
21:10:29 <JF> Q+
21:10:45 <JF> therre is a lot of work still to do if we don't go with this approach
21:11:00 <JF> JS: still have their guidance, just don't link to the document
21:11:17 <JF> raises the question, how do we avoid this in the future?
21:11:37 <JF> how do we ensure that these references remains accurate into the future?
21:12:52 <JF> there is a reference on the wiki as well, what about those references?
21:13:03 <JF> JF they can be santized as well
21:13:14 <JF> MC: wonder if the final document should reference that as well
21:13:52 <JF> SM: reason we do that is that once doc is finalized, we can update the reference without opening the Recommendation/Note
21:14:23 <JF> ack JF
21:14:38 <JF> MC: don't see a need to scrub references from wiki
21:14:48 <JF> we can clear that as we are able to
21:15:20 <JF> SM: why don't we just point to whatever we were pointing to when they worked
21:15:53 <JF> MC: we could, but... if this were a rec track doc, we would not be allowed to publish with a dependancy with a non-finalized document
21:15:59 <JF> JF +1 to taht
21:16:06 <JF> s/tath/that
21:16:17 <JF> s/taht/that
21:16:41 <JF> JS: perhaps we need a new wiki page for this, then point to a new wiki page
21:16:58 <JF> then when we get around to updating the checklist, we can populate that on the new page
21:17:35 <JF> MC: we could also point to the HTMLa11y TF wiki
21:20:49 <JF> wiki page here: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
21:23:09 <JF> JF: proposes to remove the checklist points from the MAUR note, then update the wiki as we progress
21:23:31 <JF> leave the link in the MAUR to the wiki page, preface the wiki page with a warning that it may not be 100% accurate
21:25:18 <janina> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist
21:25:20 <JF> http://www.w3.org/TR/media-accessibility-reqs/
21:25:58 <MichaelC> https://rawgit.com/w3c/pfwg/master/media-accessibility-reqs/checklist.html
21:26:19 <ShaneM> https://w3c.github.io/pfwg/media-accessibility-reqs/
21:28:34 <JF> [discussion]
21:32:02 <ShaneM> new appendix link text: A live version of the requirements reflected in             this document is             available in the Wiki at <a             href="http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist">http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Media_Accessibility_Checklist</a>
21:32:22 <janina> +1
21:32:27 <JF> +1
21:34:48 <ShaneM> A tablized version of the requirements in             this document             available in the Wiki at
21:35:42 <JF> Decision: remove table from note, add pointer to wiki page
21:36:10 <JF> remove all links to UAAG in MAUR, plus all references in the prose
21:36:17 <JF> update wiki as we can
21:36:46 <JF> zakim, next item
21:36:46 <Zakim> agendum 5. "table status" taken up [from janina]
21:37:01 <JF> zakim, close item 5
21:37:01 <Zakim> agendum 5, table status, closed
21:37:02 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
21:37:02 <Zakim> 2. appendix b -- contributors [from janina]
21:37:08 <JF> zakim, next irem
21:37:08 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next irem', JF
21:37:17 <JF> zakim, next irem
21:37:17 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next irem', JF
21:37:26 <JF> zakim, next item
21:37:26 <Zakim> agendum 2. "appendix b -- contributors" taken up [from janina]
21:37:50 <JF> JS: there are a number of manes here that had no involvement with this
21:40:33 <JF> MC: practice to include WG participants, add commentors in the contributors list
21:41:10 <JF> MC: May create a section and list either names or WG feedback
21:41:53 <JF> JS: Will clean that up.
21:42:16 <JF> JS: Hope to get it done before thanksgiving (Thursday)
21:43:34 <JF> JF: Kenny Johar, James Craig, Nigel, Jim Allan
21:44:03 <JF> Josh Meille (sp)
21:45:03 <JF> National Association of the Deaf?
21:45:08 <JF> SM: no
21:45:16 <JF> JS: nor Gauladet (sp)
21:45:26 <JF> zakim, next item
21:45:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "other edits" taken up [from janina]
21:45:39 <JF> JS: anything else?
21:46:27 <JF> MC: Will require a status section - still need to do that
21:46:58 <JF> Will get out via email by Wednesday for review
21:47:32 <JF> MC: Will also need to do an announcements, and this is likely worth a blog post as well
21:48:44 <JF> MC: will post an example
21:49:08 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/blog/2015/09/more-accessible-web-authoring-with-atag-2-0/
21:51:35 <ShaneM> http://pandora.aptest.com/w3c/test1/media-accessibility-reqs/index.html
21:51:48 <ShaneM> this is a link to the live version of the NOTE that I am editing
21:52:16 <JF> JF: I can take a pass at this - will CC Janina and Micahel for review
21:52:29 <ShaneM> thanks!
21:52:55 <JF> s/Micahel/Michael
21:53:24 <JF> MC: Believe that's it - MC can do that as part of his checklist
21:54:56 <MichaelC> potential questions: "what does this technology do", "how does it relate to SVG and ARIA", "what's the planned timeline", "what are implementation expectations", "how does it impact SVG authoring", "how does it help users"
21:55:13 <ShaneM> weirdly the gh-pages branch no longer works
21:55:29 <ShaneM> latest editors draft link says page not found
21:55:30 <MichaelC> ¨what technologies might reference these user requirements¨
21:57:12 <JF> zakim, next item
21:57:12 <Zakim> agendum 4. "steps to note status" taken up [from janina]
21:57:30 <JF> plans are set
21:58:19 <JF> RRSAgent, make logs public
21:58:29 <JF> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:58:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-html-a11y-media-minutes.html JF
21:58:41 <JF> RRSAgent, publish minutes
21:58:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/23-html-a11y-media-minutes.html JF
21:59:15 <JF> zakim, please part
21:59:15 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been janina, ShaneM, JF, MarkS
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21:59:44 <JF> RRSAgent, please part
21:59:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items