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18:02:28 <tzviya> present+ MiaLipner
18:02:40 <tzviya> present+ DeborahKaplan
18:04:18 <clapierre1> present+ Charles_LaPierre
18:04:59 <clapierre1> scribe: clapierre
18:05:14 <clapierre1> Topic: A11Y Note
18:05:53 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/
18:06:52 <clapierre1> Mia: Sorry I did not get to my items.
18:09:24 <clapierre1> Charles: I didn't find anything in our Google Doc from our WCAG techniques which need to be included in our NOTE.
18:10:20 <clapierre1> George: all we need to say is WCAG A/AA apply to Digital Publishing
18:11:03 <clapierre1> Tzviya: I don't think we need to get into the Levels of WCAG, we are talking about relevance not implementation.
18:11:40 <clapierre1> George: I worry about long desc and long descriptions for images not being possible today for publishers.
18:11:53 <clapierre1> George: which is a A req.
18:12:36 <clapierre1> Tzviya: The content will still be accessible without the descriptions.  it may be difficult to implement.
18:13:19 <clapierre1> … WCAG doesn't specify how a text desc. should be handled it just needs to be there.
18:13:50 <clapierre1> Tzviya: I think I didn't have any topics… since I was in meetings for 2 weeks.
18:14:38 <clapierre1> Deborah: I got some drafts done and want to polish this up before adding to our wiki.
18:15:09 <clapierre1> Charles: should we put the Diagrammer be moved into the appendix.
18:15:24 <clapierre1> Deborah: there was others at the end of our last meeting should be added to the appendix.
18:15:46 <clapierre1> Mia: Like assessments be added to the appendix.
18:16:01 <clapierre1> George: Testing in General?
18:17:17 <clapierre1> Deborah: there is a ton of issues with tests / assesments timing etc… Markku H. with ETS is working on these issues, and we do need to raise the issue with DPUB. and a NOTE will say that this work is being done but outside of W3C
18:17:50 <clapierre1> George: I agree we need to reference it but not endorse it, but is relevant to DPUB
18:18:21 <clapierre1> … the link here will become our Note correct?
18:19:16 <clapierre1> Deborah, Charles did you go through and make sure all our DPUB specific issues in our Google Doc make it into our Note?
18:19:24 <clapierre1> Charles: Yes they are all part of our main note.
18:19:36 <clapierre1> Deborah, someone will need to wordsmith.
18:19:52 <clapierre1> Tzviya: is it still possible to finish by end of year?
18:20:09 <clapierre1> Deborah: we are still missing our deadlines and thanksgiving to end of year is short.
18:20:59 <clapierre1> Tzviya: the text in there is not publishable as is. and we won't have enough time by year end to finish that.
18:21:30 <clapierre1> Charles: does it seem possible by end of year to at least have our main meat done by end of year.
18:21:56 <clapierre1> Tzviya: lets talk about what goes into the appendix.  Diagrammer going into appendix is 1.
18:22:12 <clapierre1> George: putting diagrammer into the appendix sounds right.
18:22:50 <clapierre1> Tzviya: work ETS is doing is a future / Web Components is a solution to a set of problems.
18:23:34 <clapierre1> George: but Diagrammer is the container to hold the info and Web Components will be the linking mech.
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18:24:07 <clapierre1> Tzviya: Charles needs to reach out to Mark to look at this so far and help write the paragraph to go into the appendix.
18:25:10 <clapierre1> George: is the 3D work same as Diagrammer?  Someone could link to 3d / description an STL file and how to use it .  Is there anything in Digital publish library of America for long descriptions.
18:25:34 <clapierre1> Mia: there is a way to point to 3d object file and how to use it and could be applied to diagrammer.
18:25:53 <clapierre1> George: sounds like there isn't enough guidance on how to do that in an appendix.
18:26:51 <clapierre1> Mia: the only think we could have is a link to a zip file with a 3d file/text description file on how to use it.
18:27:21 <clapierre1> Charles: anything else to move over to the Appendix?
18:27:45 <clapierre1> Tzviya: by the time we publish this we may want to point to epub 3.1 metadata
18:27:52 <clapierre1> Charles / George: ya
18:28:39 <clapierre1> Tzviya: css wg & ARIA making generating content accessible.  something that is used in the real world, and its not just decorative.  We may want to mention it here.
18:28:43 <clapierre1> Mia: yeah.
18:28:49 <clapierre1> George: where is that in WCAG?
18:28:59 <clapierre1> Tzviya: I don't know that it is..
18:29:28 <clapierre1> … make content readable under perceivable / understandable
18:29:52 <clapierre1> Mia: may be able to be shoehorned into someplace.  Dynamic content
18:30:16 <clapierre1> George: Pre/post generated content… list items bullets / numbering.
18:31:26 <clapierre1> Tzviya: section 222 of WCAG assuming the content is not that meaningful.  But if the whole website is a .write file then you loose out on everything
18:32:16 <clapierre1> … I could try to write a little second on generated content, but it might not be possible, since this is being discussed by ARIA/CSS WG
18:32:47 <clapierre1> Tzivya: I will reach out to George and start adding to the appendix.
18:33:09 <clapierre1> Charles: feel free to scrap the current appendix and start over
18:33:22 <clapierre1> George: I will be around til Christmas.
18:35:08 <clapierre1> … tightening up of 3.1… do we reference EPUB 3.1 from our Note. or even EPUB in general / successors.  Since it is based on web, referencing it is important.  The links also between this and the 508 refresh and digital publishing
18:35:20 <clapierre1> Tzviya: whos the audience of this Note.
18:35:49 <clapierre1> Deborah: audience: is WCAG/UAG/ATAG/Outreach totally an internal document.
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18:36:23 <clapierre1> Tzviya, we can mention EPUB but our audience are not people who are writing EPUB
18:37:20 <clapierre1> …, PWP any mention of EPUB was an issue and we need to be cautious
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18:40:58 <clapierre1> Charles: gave a brief update on the webinar yesterday.
18:41:13 <clapierre1> Mia: I though the 508 refresh as all information that is presented in an electronic format would apply.  I would expect it will apply to DPUB.
18:41:38 <clapierre1> George: are any of you been asked to go to meetings?
18:41:43 <clapierre1> All: No
18:42:26 <clapierre1> Tzviya: Before Ed McCoy left, he tried to get an A11Y team in place in AAP.
18:44:01 <clapierre1> George: an industry wide standard would be better than a Law
18:44:38 <clapierre1> George: Baltimore in Feb for meetings IMS are.
18:48:57 <clapierre1> Charles: Thanks everyone, and Happy Thanksgiving.
18:49:15 <clapierre1> … there won't be a meeting next week due to the holiday, will meet back in 2 weeks.
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