IRC log of tt on 2015-11-12

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Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
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Date: 12 November 2015
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Present: nigel
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Chair: nigel
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scribe: nigel
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present+ plh
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Topic: This meeting
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nigel: I've put the pulse pages from git onto the agenda in lieu of the old activity summaries, since tracker can't any longer provide a useful agenda.
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http://www.w3.org/2010/webperf/board/
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present+dae
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plh: This contains issues and pull requests for all of the repos in web performance.
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... I can make one of those for TTWG if you would like it.
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nigel: Yes please?
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Action: plh Create board for TTWG similar to that for webperf
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Created ACTION-449 - Create board for ttwg similar to that for webperf [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2015-11-19].
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s/present+dae/present+ dae
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Present+ Frans
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nigel: Any requests for things to discuss today?
15:13:22 [nigel]
pal: Can we review two issues marked for Review for IMSC 1? Based on the TPAC discussion.
15:13:29 [nigel]
nigel: yes!
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pal: I'd also like to discuss next steps on IMSC 1. Two implementors have mentioned that
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... the ED has had a lot of good explanatory text added so it would be good to publish
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... a heartbeat or another CR, to get that to be the version that is on /TR. Can we figure out
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... a timeline and a process? I'll propose the end of November.
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Topic: Action Items
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action-425?
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action-425 -- Thierry Michel to Send a prompt/thank you to the potential test result contributors for imsc. -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/425
15:15:54 [nigel]
tmichel: That was done, and then I updated the implementation report and a couple of
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... days ago I've tidied it a bit more.
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nigel: I restyled it earlier today.
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pal: I was going to send another implementor but I haven't heard back so we should
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... close this action for now.
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close action-425
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Closed action-425.
15:16:51 [nigel]
nigel: Thank you Thierry!
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action-429?
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action-429 -- Mike Dolan to Draft a wg note for the profile short name registry and ttml media type registration -- due 2015-10-08 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/429
15:17:28 [nigel]
mike: No progress to report so far.
15:18:09 [nigel]
nigel: I think it would be good to create a github repo for the note.
15:18:16 [nigel]
mike: I was going to raise that too.
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plh: You need a name.
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... How should I call it?
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tt-profile-registry
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mike: Sounds right
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nigel: All happy with that?
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https://github.com/w3c/tt-profile-registry
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plh: I've made it!
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action-442?
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action-442 -- Nigel Megitt to Add an issue to ttml2 for ensuring plain text accessibility -- due 2015-11-05 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/442
15:20:49 [nigel]
nigel: Nothing to report so far on this.
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action-444?
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action-444 -- Philippe Le Hégaret to Look at writing a script to create github issues from tracker issues. -- due 2015-11-05 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/444
15:21:17 [nigel]
nigel: I'm certain that plh has done this!
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close action-444
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Closed action-444.
15:21:27 [nigel]
nigel: Thank you Philippe!
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action-446?
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action-446 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Go through every feature and make sure that they take into account any dependent features. -- due 2015-11-06 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/446
15:21:55 [nigel]
pal: Still in process.
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pal: I'm going to enter this as an issue on github
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nigel: Good plan.
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nigel: There are two ways to note tasks in github:
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... 1. Add a 'task' label.
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... 2. Add to the description a tick box markdown, like "* [ ] Do this task"
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nigel: I'm happy for this to be raised as an issue for tracking purpose.
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pal: Okay I'll raise it on github and let's see how that goes.
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nigel: In the past I've used both mechanisms - the label for high level actions and the tickboxes for subtasks.
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pal: I like that idea so I'll do that.
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action-448?
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action-448 -- Nigel Megitt to Put timing diagrams somewhere they can be reviews -- due 2015-11-06 -- OPEN
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http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/448
15:26:23 [nigel]
nigel: I still need to do this.
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... I will try to do that as a PR on TTML2, to see how that process works.
15:27:42 [nigel]
nigel: If we move to github issues for actions it will be hard for me to pull out the actions
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... list - plh, is there a way to filter issues labelled as 'task' for example in the board?
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Topic: IMSC
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pal: On github there are 2 issues marked as 'review':
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... They are #68 and #69.
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nigel: Also #81.
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pal: Yes, it might be helpful to have Glenn for that.
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pal: #68 and #69 were done before the move to github so there's no PR.
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... but there are changesets.
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https://github.com/w3c/imsc/commit/c7eefbe6831c185fa92ae395b31181a601634152
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pal: There's an action on Glenn to provide a list of simple and complex scripts.
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... I've made a start but it may not be complete.
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nigel: Do we need Glenn to complete that action before we can close this?
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pal: I've specified it conservatively as 'if it is not simple then it's complex' and listed the
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... simple scripts.
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... Being Latin, Hebrew, Cyrillic and Greek.
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nigel: There are a small number of variant glyphs in Hebrew.
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pal: My understanding is that it's simple enough to consider as simple.
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pal: It would be good to have Glenn's comprehensive pass at this before we publish the
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... next iteration.
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nigel: So we do need that before we close the issue.
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https://rawgit.com/w3c/imsc1/master/spec/ttml-ww-profiles.html
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pal: This has the changes in it. It's linked from the imsc main page on github.
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pal: Section 9.5 defines 'glyph', adds a Note, and the table has two performance values
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nigel: The words 'otherwise' aren't easy to understand - it's not clear what they relate to.
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pal: Okay I'll look at ways to address that.
15:38:46 [nigel]
nigel: You could write out all the words, or maybe there's a way to format it so it's clear.
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pal: And the list of scripts is in Appendix H.
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nigel: I might propose a tweak to the wording in H - leave it for now though.
15:41:35 [nigel]
nigel: Can we close the issues for now and I'll deal with the editorial points in a next pass.
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s/s./s?
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nigel: I think the editorial points are important here for understanding.
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... However I agree that the substantive points are dealt with.
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pal: If you're not happy please propose alternate text on #68 and #69.
15:44:04 [nigel]
nigel: Okay I will!
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nigel: Should we look at #81?
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https://github.com/w3c/imsc/issues/81
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pal: Glenn isn't happy that cellResolution cannot be specified on root. This goes back to CFF-TT.
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pal: My proposal is not to fix this, unless there's a very strong reason to. It looks like
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... it's just for elegance or symmetry, but is not a requirement.
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nigel: We should also ask what is the implication of permitting ttp:cellResolution?
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pal: Well this isn't broken so we should resist any changes that would impact implementors.
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... There's nothing that needs to be done that cannot be done unless this change is made.
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nigel: Please could you summarise that position on the issue?
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pal: Yes I will do that.
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nigel: The last thing to cover is a new CR version of IMSC1.
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pal: Yes.
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nigel: We have to resolve the remaining issues that need to be resolved and update
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... the dates in the SOTD.
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pal: I think we can do that in the next 2 weeks.
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tmichel: We make a snapshot and request another CR.
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nigel: So we need a resolution based on a particular snapshot.
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pal: So we can set a target for a spec that has all issues resolved...?
15:52:58 [nigel]
nigel: Yes, then when we have done that then we can prepare a snapshot with an updated
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... SOTD and CR exit criteria.
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pal: I need to prepare a list of changes and then we can review for how substantive they are.
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http://www.w3.org/2015/Process-20150901/#substantive-change
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pal: I will focus on that. New features and conformance changes.
15:54:53 [nigel]
nigel: There are quite a few issues right now - what's your plan?
15:55:09 [nigel]
pal: My intent is to resolve them all so that we have a clean slate. Either fix, wontfix, or defer to IMSC 2.
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... Maybe next week I can put together a proposed plan.
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pal: I'm going to remove the "for review" label on it that made me reconsider it so I need to go back to him and figure that one out.
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Topic: Unicode liaison
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nigel: Our ticket on Unicode has been updated:
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http://unicode.org/cldr/trac/ticket/8915
15:58:06 [nigel]
nigel: It has been moved from milestone 29 to "upcoming". I don't know what that means!
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nigel: I think we have no more topics for today, so let's close the meeting 2 minutes early!
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... Thanks everyone [adjourns meeting]
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